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1. 04:53 AM - Re: Dawn Patrol's Smoke System (John_Duprey@vmed.org)
2. 05:52 AM - smoke systems (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 05:56 AM - strut bracing (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:03 AM - archives (Michael D Cuy)
5. 07:23 AM - Ribs to Spar Connection (Barry Davis)
6. 09:35 AM - Re: strut bracing (ZigoDan@aol.com)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: strut bracing (Hubbard, Eugene)
8. 11:52 AM - Re: strut bracing (ZigoDan@aol.com)
9. 01:04 PM - Piet Brakes (Miller, Matt (CEI-Atlanta))
10. 01:12 PM - Re: Ribs to Spar Connection (walter evans)
11. 01:47 PM - can corperate jets "see" me? (walter evans)
12. 02:22 PM - Piet brakes (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
13. 02:34 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (mark deacon)
14. 02:40 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (DJ Vegh)
15. 02:45 PM - Re: Piet Brakes (Les Schubert)
16. 02:56 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (DJ Vegh)
17. 03:05 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (walter evans)
18. 03:06 PM - Re: strut bracing (Alan James)
19. 03:16 PM - Re: Piet Brakes (Alex Sloan)
20. 04:18 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (mark deacon)
21. 04:29 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (Mike)
22. 04:39 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (Gary Gower)
23. 04:50 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (Gene Rambo)
24. 05:42 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (Les Schubert)
25. 07:00 PM - Re: Piet Brakes (Larry Ragan)
26. 07:14 PM - Re: Piet Brakes (DJ Vegh)
27. 07:35 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (Ted Brousseau)
28. 07:35 PM - Re: aileron connections; was strut bracing (Ted Brousseau)
29. 08:07 PM - Re: strut bracing (clif)
30. 08:14 PM - Re: Piet Brakes (Alex Sloan)
31. 08:20 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (Richard Navratril)
32. 08:24 PM - Re: strut bracing (clif)
33. 09:07 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (clif)
34. 09:28 PM - Re: can corperate jets "see" me? (John McNarry)
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| Subject: | Re: Dawn Patrol's Smoke System |
01/28/2003 07:52:49 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org
http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Pieters-
There was a very interesting (simple, cheap) smoke system written up in last
month's EAA Experimenter by the designer of the Legal Eagle, Leonard
Milholland. It features an empty propane bottle like you use on a camp
stove or brazing torch. He fitted a Schrader (bicycle tire) valve to it,
fills it about 3/4 full with oil and then pressurizes it with compressed air
from his shop, and goes flying. He uses the knob/valve that comes with the
bottle to control the flow of smoke oil. It seems somewhat easier to
operate than the hand-pumped fertilizer sprayer method.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Clif writes-
>I was just checking up on those British blokes.
>All of them appear to have only ONE strut brace,
>on the front strut only, nothing on the rear.
Are you talking about jury struts that brace the main wing struts? Do you
have a website URL I could look at to see this condition?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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1. 03:40 AM - Cool weather (rhartwig11@juno.com)
2. 03:41 AM - The cold. (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
3. 07:01 AM - Re: Cool weather (Mike)
4. 07:04 AM - Re: Cool weather (Michael Conkling)
5. 08:00 AM - it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet? (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 08:17 AM - cold weather (walter evans)
7. 09:03 AM - Re: cold weather (Les Schubert)
8. 12:14 PM - Re: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
(Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 12:37 PM - Re: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet? (walter
evans)
10. 02:37 PM - yet another weight and balance form (walter evans)
11. 05:49 PM - Siphon Sand Blaster (D. Engelkenjohn)
12. 07:09 PM - Re: cold weather (clif)
13. 07:14 PM - Re: Cool weather (clif)
14. 10:28 PM - The Brits (clif)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 03:40:47 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
From: rhartwig11@juno.com
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
I'm glad were not experiencing the same cold weather that the rest of you
are having--so far for January we're 2.3 degrees above normal here in
southern Wisconsin. Over the past twenty-four hours it has warmed up 24
degrees and is now 12F above.........time to get out the short sleeve
shirts.
Dick H.
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 03:41:26 AM PST US
From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The cold.
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
In the book MIG PILOT (remember the Mig flown to Japan by a defecting
Russian in the late 70's) He talks about growing up in Siberia. Every
night, everyone who was lucky enough to have a cow, had to bring it into
the living room of the house or it would freeze to death!!! Still this
cold is nothing like what my dad said he had to put up with. When he was
a boy. He had to walk to school bare foot and almost naked, 20 MILES! Up
hill both ways! and on the way home he had to go by the feed store and
grab 2 100 lb. bags of horse feed and carry them home, And when his
little sister got tired, he carried her piggy back. I can't complain
after knowing what he went threw. Leon S. trying to live up to my dad's
memory. Do not archive
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 07:01:09 AM PST US
From: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
Yeah, out here in my part of coastal California the weather's been pretty
cool, too. 63-66 F highs and 40-45 F lows. Terrible, just terrible! We
never get any plane building done because the weather is so good for flying.
(When the fog burns off).
Mike
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 07:04:06 AM PST US
From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling"
<hpvs@southwind.net>
Now that's the Wis. I remember!! ( I grew up just west of Waukesha) On the
rare days that we could have "noon recess" in the gym, we'd go out anyway
'cause we could play anywhere on the playground! -- I spent many afternoons
"drying out" from messing around in the snow.
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS (where I still remember how to drive on ice -)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <rhartwig11@juno.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
> I'm glad were not experiencing the same cold weather that the rest of you
> are having--so far for January we're 2.3 degrees above normal here in
> southern Wisconsin. Over the past twenty-four hours it has warmed up 24
> degrees and is now 12F above.........time to get out the short sleeve
> shirts.
> Dick H.
>
>
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Time: 08:00:11 AM PST US
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Well, since it's so stinkin' cold everywhere, why don't we get a group
together, book a cruise, and head down to Belize? Corky can even fly any
airplane he wants down there, no license and no stinkin' medical required.
And we can meet all of the Fisherman's old buddies ;o)
Hey- we could get all the needed materials together and have a marathon
Piet-building event onboard the cruise ship, see if we could get it all
assembled and ready for flight before the cruise was over. Dock back at Ft.
Lauderdale and launch it off the poop-deck ;o)
(Do y'all detect major "cabin fever" setting in among this group?)
Oscar Zuniga... do not archive
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Time: 08:17:52 AM PST US
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cold weather
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
"It was so cold this morning that the chicken crossed the road with a
capon."
Yes, it must be cabin fever.
absolutely, without a doubt, do not archive
walt
NX140DL
(north N.J.)
________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 09:03:27 AM PST US
From: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cold weather
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
Must be one desperate chicken, the capon isn't going to keep it very warm.
ha ha
Les
At 11:14 AM 25/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
><wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
>"It was so cold this morning that the chicken crossed the road with a
capon."
>
>Yes, it must be cabin fever.
>
>absolutely, without a doubt, do not archive
>walt
>NX140DL
>(north N.J.)
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 12:14:16 PM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
Speaking of the fisherman, yesterday I received a very nice e mail from him
giving the details of an EAA chapter meeting he hosted. It was a good letter
and very informative. Anyone interested I would be happy to forward.
Corky in La who likes everyone except those FAA beauros
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 12:37:15 PM PST US
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
My impression of the Fisherman, was that he was an interesting and
intelligent guy. Think what ruffled alot of feathers in the group, was his
insistance of all of his input being peppered with his "tongue in cheek"
humor. Alot of this humor could have/did have some of the newer builders
believing his jokes were proper building options. ( the bamboo was the
best)
But instead of taking advice to tone it down, he came back with an attitude.
My feeling is that, in this world there's a place for all of us, and I like
most people.
Some day I'd like to meet him.
walt evans
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Pieters,
> Speaking of the fisherman, yesterday I received a very nice e mail from
him
> giving the details of an EAA chapter meeting he hosted. It was a good
letter
> and very informative. Anyone interested I would be happy to forward.
> Corky in La who likes everyone except those FAA beauros
>
>
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Time: 02:37:33 PM PST US
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
"Fishnet" <Fishnet@topica.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: yet another weight and balance form
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Don't know if this one was posted before. It from the Dawn Patrol site.
Seemed
pretty easy, and non confusing, for those of you at that building point. Or
if you just want to practice.
http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/Wghtbal.htm
download it from the bottom of the page
walt
NX140DL
(north N.J.)
________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 05:49:08 PM PST US
From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Siphon Sand Blaster
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Hey Piet Persons:
I just went to Walmart to get some oil and found they had their
siphon feed sand blasters on close out for $3.54 each. They are
Campbell-Hausfield brand, and are not pressure feed or anything, but
they only require 3.5 hp to work and at $3.54, they are more than a
bargain. Great to blast all the metal parts on a Piet. They have ceramic
nozzles by the way.
Dennis Engelkenjohn
________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 07:09:25 PM PST US
From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cold weather
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Speaking of our ancestors 100 below, 100 mile
uphill battles in 10 ft of snow, my neice sent me
a good one, if you want it I'll forward it.
Clif, in the pouring rain, somewhat north of 0.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Schubert" <leskarin@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cold weather
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
>
> Must be one desperate chicken, the capon isn't going to keep it very
warm.
> ha ha
> Les
>
> At 11:14 AM 25/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> ><wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >"It was so cold this morning that the chicken crossed the road with a
capon."
> >
> >Yes, it must be cabin fever.
> >
> >absolutely, without a doubt, do not archive
> >walt
> >NX140DL
> >(north N.J.)
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 07:14:51 PM PST US
From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
And then there was the Californian who took
his girl out in the fog and mist.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
>
> Yeah, out here in my part of coastal California the weather's been pretty
> cool, too. 63-66 F highs and 40-45 F lows. Terrible, just terrible! We
> never get any plane building done because the weather is so good for
flying.
> (When the fog burns off).
> Mike
>
>
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 10:28:24 PM PST US
From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Brits
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
I was just checking up on those British blokes.
Looking through the list and pics of flying Piets
I noticed something.
All of them appear to have only ONE strut brace,
on the front strut only, nothing on the rear.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Chuck--if you search the Matronics archives I wrote a long explanation of
how I installed my smoke system. It's in there somewhere...
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Ribs to Spar Connection |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
How is the best way to connect the rib to the spar. Plans show nailing down and
up thru the rib into the spar caps. Other sources say don't do that, either glue
or nail thru a rib upright into the side of the spar. What has been the most
successful?
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | Re: strut bracing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
I once read an article about the different terminology used in aircraft
parts.
The one I remember most is Jury Struts, the name came from the Courts where
in front of a Judge and Jury people fates were decided. In short jury struts
were named so because they decided whether you live or died.
Case in point involved a friend of mine who left his jury struts off of his
Challenger 2 aircraft, said it made refueling easier. His right wing folded
after about 125 hours flight time.
Point is do not delete anything from the plans, they have a purpose. And if
the Brits jump off a cliff I suggest you don't follow.
Dan
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
Dan, check the plans. The jury struts aren't there. We've had a lot of
discussion on why they're not there, and why BHP got away with it, and why
we need them, but it's not as simple as blindly following the plans. BTW,
is the horizontal stab on your plane held on with #7 wood screws, as the
plans say?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: ZigoDan@aol.com [mailto:ZigoDan@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
I once read an article about the different terminology used in aircraft
parts.
The one I remember most is Jury Struts, the name came from the Courts where
in front of a Judge and Jury people fates were decided. In short jury
struts
were named so because they decided whether you live or died.
Case in point involved a friend of mine who left his jury struts off of his
Challenger 2 aircraft, said it made refueling easier. His right wing folded
after about 125 hours flight time.
Point is do not delete anything from the plans, they have a purpose. And if
the Brits jump off a cliff I suggest you don't follow.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: strut bracing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
Gene,
I have not looked at my plans in a long time. All I am saying is that don't
by any means delete something just for convince. Adding parts like jury
struts, better AN hardware is an improvement in my opinion. Thanks for
correcting me on my oversight.
Dan
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Miller, Matt (CEI-Atlanta)" <Matt.Miller@cox.com>
I know this subject has been discussed at great lengths before, but here goes...I
plan on using 600x6 wheels and brakes. I want to put toe brakes in the rear
cockpit. I have heard rumors of plans for toe brakes that were published way
back in the BPA newsletter. If anyone has information on how to build a simple,
rudder pedal/ toe brake, please let me know. Any drawings or photos would help.
I am going to use GN-1 style pedals in the front. Matt Miller
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| Subject: | Re: Ribs to Spar Connection |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Barry,
I didn't use any nails to fasten ribs to spar. First, in making the ribs, I
used a trick shown in Fisher Flying Prod. plans for a 404 that I built,
that I really liked. It was a way to use two sliding blocks to solidly
position the uprights of the rib. This is where the rib mates up to the
side of the spar. Since the uprights were all exactly in the same place ,
they mated perfectly, for a good tight glue fit. They were glued and
clamped only.
The gussets that butt up to the spar anywhere, should be left off, and added
after the ribs are glued. This is so that you don't have to try to slide
the perfectly fitting ribs down the spar without tearing your hair out.
(get a rough trammel before you do first glueing)
Then another whole step is to put in the little wedges under the top of the
spar, where the rib angles past and has to rest on the spar.
Glueing the wing is where those PVC clamp REALLY come in handy.
Another hint to save yourself alot of grief,,,,take ALL the ribs on the
bench up tight to each other. Put a piece of wood down both slots where the
spars are going, and clamp. now all the ribs are a beautiful solid wood
structure. Now the trick is to even up exactly, the trailing edge and the
leading edge,,,EXACTLY. Only takes a few minutes, and will save grief
putting on the leading edge wood and trailing edge. Won't get any gaps, and
a nice tight job without the LE looking like a wavey pretzel.
I can send you any photos, if you'd like, or you can see the ribs/wing on my
Yahoo thing at
http://photos.yahoo.com/joepiet
walt evans.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs to Spar Connection
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
>
> How is the best way to connect the rib to the spar. Plans show nailing
down and up thru the rib into the spar caps. Other sources say don't do
that, either glue or nail thru a rib upright into the side of the spar. What
has been the most successful?
> Barry Davis
>
>
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"Fishnet" <Fishnet@topica.com>
| Subject: | can corperate jets "see" me? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
About 20 miles from our airport is Morristown which many corperate jets fly into.
Many summer evenings we are out at the field flying and bull crapping, when
a jet comes thru , directly overhead, at less than 2000 feet, and he's stepping
right along I guess about 200MPH. ( I don't know,,,but it's fast)
I realize that when we're in VFR everyone's in VFR, but are we at the mercy of
that pilot's ability to see my antique wire strung butt, or do they have RADAR
or some other form of anti-collision systems?
walt
NX140DL
(north N.J.)
don't want to be a bug on a Boeing
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Matt: There is some good generic stuff on rudder peddle brakes that you
may be able to apply to your Piet. in one of the Tony Bengilis books. If
you don't have these books, get them. They are worth their weight in
gold. I'm using heal master cyls. with the rudder bar. Leon S.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
Walt
You are both at the mercy of your ability to
"see and avoid". Any electronic collision avoidance
they would have on board is dependent on "both"
aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
exactly standard equipment on a Piet. Commercial
aircraft Radars are for weather avoidance. Only
military aircraft and even then probably only fighters
have RADAR that will show other aircraft.
So keep yer eyes open and be careful out there.
Mark Deacon
--- walter evans <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> About 20 miles from our airport is Morristown which
> many corperate jets fly into. Many summer evenings
> we are out at the field flying and bull crapping,
> when a jet comes thru , directly overhead, at less
> than 2000 feet, and he's stepping right along I
> guess about 200MPH. ( I don't know,,,but it's fast)
> I realize that when we're in VFR everyone's in VFR,
> but are we at the mercy of that pilot's ability to
> see my antique wire strung butt, or do they have
> RADAR or some other form of anti-collision systems?
> walt
> NX140DL
> (north N.J.)
>
> don't want to be a bug on a Boeing
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
not sure about all corporate jets, but I know that the Citation Excel my dad
flies has TCAS. Tells him where the traffic is. If the traffic gets too
close he gets a "Traffic Resolution" (or called something like that)
warning. The resolution warning tells him what to do.. climb, descent, etc.
FAR's require him to comply with the resolution warning.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
www.raptoronline.com
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
<Fishnet@topica.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> About 20 miles from our airport is Morristown which many corperate jets
fly into. Many summer evenings we are out at the field flying and bull
crapping, when a jet comes thru , directly overhead, at less than 2000 feet,
and he's stepping right along I guess about 200MPH. ( I don't know,,,but
it's fast)
> I realize that when we're in VFR everyone's in VFR, but are we at the
mercy of that pilot's ability to see my antique wire strung butt, or do they
have RADAR or some other form of anti-collision systems?
> walt
> NX140DL
> (north N.J.)
>
> don't want to be a bug on a Boeing
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
Matt
Are you going hydraulic or mechanical for your brakes. I have been working
on a design for mechanical toe brakes for the rudder bar. not quite
finished yet but soon.
Les
At 04:03 PM 28/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Miller, Matt (CEI-Atlanta)"
><Matt.Miller@cox.com>
>
>I know this subject has been discussed at great lengths before, but here
>goes...I plan on using 600x6 wheels and brakes. I want to put toe brakes
>in the rear cockpit. I have heard rumors of plans for toe brakes that were
>published way back in the BPA newsletter. If anyone has information on how
>to build a simple, rudder pedal/ toe brake, please let me know. Any
>drawings or photos would help. I am going to use GN-1 style pedals in the
>front. Matt Miller
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Good point Mark,
I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm radius of
Class B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric having a
mode C xpnder.
I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't see a non
xpnder equipped aircraft.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
www.raptoronline.com
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
Any electronic collision avoidance
> they would have on board is dependent on "both"
> aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
> exactly standard equipment on a Piet.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Good point Mark,
>
> I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm radius of
> Class B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric having a
> mode C xpnder.
>
> I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't see a
non
> xpnder equipped aircraft.
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> www.raptoronline.com
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
> Any electronic collision avoidance
> > they would have on board is dependent on "both"
> > aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
> > exactly standard equipment on a Piet.
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan James" <MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
Gene,
Most UK Piets have been built to a slightly modified drawing by Jim Wills
and approved by our PFA who oversee such things. The main differences
include:
1. A three piece wing with (optional) auto-aileron connect facility.
2. Built-up spars and 'D' box leading edge of 1/16" ply.
3. Heavier than original lift struts.
As a consequence, the max weight has been increased from the original 1050lb
to 1200lb. Stress calculations made at the time suggested that jury struts
were not necessary and this is how I first flew G-BUCO back in '92. However,
it soon became apparent that at certain angles of attack and rpm settings
the front struts would start vibrating. I first experienced this over The
Solent, a stretch of water that separates England from The Isle of Wight.
This happened on at least 2 of the 5 UK Piets finished at the time and was
not good for the nerves! Fixes included setting the strut at an angle to the
slipstream but the PFA decided on a mandatory modification of adding jury
struts to the front only.
I hope this clears things up.
Good luck with your Piet.
Alan James
----- Original Message -----
From: <ZigoDan@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
>
> Gene,
>
> I have not looked at my plans in a long time. All I am saying is that
don't
> by any means delete something just for convince. Adding parts like jury
> struts, better AN hardware is an improvement in my opinion. Thanks for
> correcting me on my oversight.
>
> Dan
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Matt,
Bill Rewey has toe brakes on his Pietenpol and he will send you the plans
for the installation. His phone number is 608-833-5839. He does not have a
computer.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller, Matt (CEI-Atlanta)" <Matt.Miller@cox.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Brakes
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Miller, Matt (CEI-Atlanta)"
<Matt.Miller@cox.com>
>
> I know this subject has been discussed at great lengths before, but here
goes...I plan on using 600x6 wheels and brakes. I want to put toe brakes in
the rear cockpit. I have heard rumors of plans for toe brakes that were
published way back in the BPA newsletter. If anyone has information on how
to build a simple, rudder pedal/ toe brake, please let me know. Any drawings
or photos would help. I am going to use GN-1 style pedals in the front. Matt
Miller
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
--- walter Evans <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter Evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
> walt
Walt
Take some comfort in the fact that you've been flying
for years and the only difference between the day
before and the day after this guy flew over is your
realization of the potential risk. You could even take
heart in that yon jet jockie gave you folks a free
lesson in keeping your head out of the cockpit.
Shoproblem9;t be a problen in a Piet.
nervousn't get nervious, get vigilant. Watching out
for the other guy has been working, with varying
degrees of success for what, 100 yrs of powered
flight. So happy anniversary everybody, crank 'em up
and get out tbureaucratre some damned bureacrat or
insurance company pulls the rug out.
Clear Skies
Mark (I need to heed my own advice) Deacon
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
Walt,
In the particular case you have, Walt, the high speed birds are well aware
that there are slower airplanes in the vicinity and a collision isn't like a
bug hitting a windscreen but more like the possibility of a 200 pound engine
coming through the cockpit at 200 knots. As the San Diego B727/C172 crash
in 1978 showed, there is significant risk for everyone in a potential
mid-air between big and little planes.
What this means is, fast and heavy crews have as much motivation to
see-and-avoid as anyone else. The other confidence-builder is that it is
easier for fast planes to see all possible slow threats than it is for slow
planes to see all possible fast threats. This is because, from the
viewpoint of a slow plane, a fast one that can hit it can come from any
direction, but from the viewpoint of a fast plane, any slow one that poses a
real threat is going to be somewhere in front, where, hopefully, at least
one member of the flight crew has his or her eyeballs during VFR.
I wouldn't, though, climb into the approach path to test their visual
discipline.
Mike
on 1/28/03 15:01, walter evans at wbeevans@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
> walt
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Just check the aproach ways (sp?) of every airport near where you fly,
and keep clear, you are like a moped in a Freeway's truck stop full
of 18 wheelers :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- walter evans <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
> walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> >
> > Good point Mark,
> >
> > I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm
> radius of
> > Class B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric
> having a
> > mode C xpnder.
> >
> > I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't
> see a
> non
> > xpnder equipped aircraft.
> >
> > DJ Vegh
> > N74DV
> > www.raptoronline.com
> > Mesa, AZ
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
> > Any electronic collision avoidance
> > > they would have on board is dependent on "both"
> > > aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
> > > exactly standard equipment on a Piet.
> >
> >
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
That is also why large, fast aircraft are required (supposed) to fly a
higher traffic pattern. I just wouldn't dawdle on a long, slow final.
Other than that, there shouldn't be any conflict. I fly all the time with
no radio in pretty heavy traffic areas (including through New York, along
the Hudson, Statue of Liberty, etc) without a problem because I am watching
out and not trusting the other guy one bit.
I flew a gov't C-182RG today with a new "TCAS" -like device that showed
traffic, of course only those with transponders. Drove me crazy in this
target-rich environment (DC area) where I usually couldn't visually pick out
the traffic. If you can't even see it, it's not a danger . . . of course,
it's the one you don't see that gets you. Oh well, I still didn't like it.
Gene Rambo
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
>
> Walt,
>
> In the particular case you have, Walt, the high speed birds are well aware
> that there are slower airplanes in the vicinity and a collision isn't like
a
> bug hitting a windscreen but more like the possibility of a 200 pound
engine
> coming through the cockpit at 200 knots. As the San Diego B727/C172 crash
> in 1978 showed, there is significant risk for everyone in a potential
> mid-air between big and little planes.
> What this means is, fast and heavy crews have as much motivation to
> see-and-avoid as anyone else. The other confidence-builder is that it is
> easier for fast planes to see all possible slow threats than it is for
slow
> planes to see all possible fast threats. This is because, from the
> viewpoint of a slow plane, a fast one that can hit it can come from any
> direction, but from the viewpoint of a fast plane, any slow one that poses
a
> real threat is going to be somewhere in front, where, hopefully, at least
> one member of the flight crew has his or her eyeballs during VFR.
> I wouldn't, though, climb into the approach path to test their visual
> discipline.
>
> Mike
>
>
> on 1/28/03 15:01, walter evans at wbeevans@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> > <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
> > walt
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
Does make one think about a transponder, course then you need power
Les
At 04:39 PM 28/01/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
>Just check the aproach ways (sp?) of every airport near where you fly,
>and keep clear, you are like a moped in a Freeway's truck stop full
>of 18 wheelers :-)
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower
>
>--- walter evans <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> > <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
> > walt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> > <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > >
> > > Good point Mark,
> > >
> > > I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm
> > radius of
> > > Class B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric
> > having a
> > > mode C xpnder.
> > >
> > > I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't
> > see a
> > non
> > > xpnder equipped aircraft.
> > >
> > > DJ Vegh
> > > N74DV
> > > www.raptoronline.com
> > > Mesa, AZ
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
> > > Any electronic collision avoidance
> > > > they would have on board is dependent on "both"
> > > > aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
> > > > exactly standard equipment on a Piet.
> > >
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com>
Matt,
Take a look at DJ Vegh's brakes <A href="http://www.raptoronline.com">www.raptoronline.com
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan@hotmail.com
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/06-10-02.htm
above is the exact link to the finished pedals/brakes.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Ragan
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Brakes
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com>
Matt,
Take a look at DJ Vegh's brakes <A href"http://www.raptoronline.com">www.raptoronline.com
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan@hotmail.com
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Walt,
Be nervous. It is very good for your health. I fly out of what is a "jet
port" for most of the year. Not a problem. I found they never fly below
500' agl. That's where I stay. Snug as a bug. I found out a long time ago
that those radio towers come up a lot slower than those jets. ;-) And the
towers are always guaranteed to come at you only from straight ahead.
Ted
Naples FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
> walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> >
> > Good point Mark,
> >
> > I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm radius
of
> > Class B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric having
a
> > mode C xpnder.
> >
> > I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't see a
> non
> > xpnder equipped aircraft.
> >
> > DJ Vegh
> > N74DV
> > www.raptoronline.com
> > Mesa, AZ
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
> > Any electronic collision avoidance
> > > they would have on board is dependent on "both"
> > > aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
> > > exactly standard equipment on a Piet.
> >
> >
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Alan,
Please tell us more about that auto-aileron connect facility. Is that a
quick connect?
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan James" <MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan James"
<MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Gene,
> Most UK Piets have been built to a slightly modified drawing by Jim Wills
> and approved by our PFA who oversee such things. The main differences
> include:
> 1. A three piece wing with (optional) auto-aileron connect facility.
> 2. Built-up spars and 'D' box leading edge of 1/16" ply.
> 3. Heavier than original lift struts.
> As a consequence, the max weight has been increased from the original
1050lb
> to 1200lb. Stress calculations made at the time suggested that jury struts
> were not necessary and this is how I first flew G-BUCO back in '92.
However,
> it soon became apparent that at certain angles of attack and rpm settings
> the front struts would start vibrating. I first experienced this over The
> Solent, a stretch of water that separates England from The Isle of Wight.
> This happened on at least 2 of the 5 UK Piets finished at the time and was
> not good for the nerves! Fixes included setting the strut at an angle to
the
> slipstream but the PFA decided on a mandatory modification of adding jury
> struts to the front only.
> I hope this clears things up.
> Good luck with your Piet.
> Alan James
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ZigoDan@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > I have not looked at my plans in a long time. All I am saying is that
> don't
> > by any means delete something just for convince. Adding parts like jury
> > struts, better AN hardware is an improvement in my opinion. Thanks for
> > correcting me on my oversight.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: strut bracing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Hi Oscar, Yes, it's the jury struts, or strut in this case.
www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers
Go to the picture file and check the first and last
pics for G-BXZO, then some of the others.
Then go to the file for the flying Aircampers.
BWVB, BXZO, BYZY PIET, BRXY all appear
to have one jury strut on the front strut only.
There's even one with no jury struts.
If the above doesn't work I think you can access
them through the PFA site.
----- Original Message ----- > Clif writes-
>
> >I was just checking up on those British blokes.
> >All of them appear to have only ONE strut brace,
> >on the front strut only, nothing on the rear.
>
> Are you talking about jury struts that brace the main wing struts? Do you
> have a website URL I could look at to see this condition?
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Matt,
Bill Rewey has toe brakes on his Pietenpol and he will send you the plans
for the installation. His phone number is 608-833-5839. He does not have a
computer.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller, Matt (CEI-Atlanta)" <Matt.Miller@cox.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Brakes
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Miller, Matt (CEI-Atlanta)"
<Matt.Miller@cox.com>
>
> I know this subject has been discussed at great lengths before, but here
goes...I plan on using 600x6 wheels and brakes. I want to put toe brakes in
the rear cockpit. I have heard rumors of plans for toe brakes that were
published way back in the BPA newsletter. If anyone has information on how
to build a simple, rudder pedal/ toe brake, please let me know. Any drawings
or photos would help. I am going to use GN-1 style pedals in the front. Matt
Miller
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: can corperate jets "see" me? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Hey All
It is very difficult to see slow moving traffic when coming down from
altitude and I'm not talking about jets even. There is a a lot going on in
landing procedures even in a light twin. Don't ever hesitate to have a
conversation with a airline plane when he calls 10 miles out. Make sure
they have a very clear picture of where you are and if you know of others in
the area include that too. A corporate pilot will avoid you if you
communicate. When he is on 3 mi. final it's too late. If you can, suggest
how he can work into the pattern.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
<nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> Walt,
>
> Be nervous. It is very good for your health. I fly out of what is a "jet
> port" for most of the year. Not a problem. I found they never fly below
> 500' agl. That's where I stay. Snug as a bug. I found out a long time
ago
> that those radio towers come up a lot slower than those jets. ;-) And the
> towers are always guaranteed to come at you only from straight ahead.
>
> Ted
> Naples FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
> > walt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
<aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > >
> > > Good point Mark,
> > >
> > > I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm radius
> of
> > > Class B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric
having
> a
> > > mode C xpnder.
> > >
> > > I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't see
a
> > non
> > > xpnder equipped aircraft.
> > >
> > > DJ Vegh
> > > N74DV
> > > www.raptoronline.com
> > > Mesa, AZ
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
> > > Any electronic collision avoidance
> > > > they would have on board is dependent on "both"
> > > > aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
> > > > exactly standard equipment on a Piet.
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: strut bracing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
My plane is going to have BOTH struts.
Clif isn't jumping off cliffs no matter where
the jury stands. Clif
On the other hand, I get the impression
their PFA and gov. are fairly strict.
----- Original Message -----
From: <zigodan@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
>
> Gene,
>
> I have not looked at my plans in a long time. All I am saying is that
don't
> by any means delete something just for convince. Adding parts like jury
> struts, better AN hardware is an improvement in my opinion. Thanks for
> correcting me on my oversight.
>
> Dan
>
>
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: can corperate jets "see" me? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
As for radar, don't forget you're flying a wood frame
and fabric little mosquito. As Dan says, communicate.
Swivel that neck!
Here in Vancouver, there's everything from jumbo's
on down through Beaver and twin Otter sched. float
traffic to Victoria and Seattle plus Abbottsford and
Bellingham with national and international traffic as
well. Then there's Pitt Meadows, Langley,Boundary Bay,
Delta Airpark,Fort Langley float base....The chart has
so many blue lines you can't see the ground. It all works
out though. The newspapers get next to nothing from us.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> Hey All
> It is very difficult to see slow moving traffic when coming down from
> altitude and I'm not talking about jets even. There is a a lot going on
in
> landing procedures even in a light twin. Don't ever hesitate to have a
> conversation with a airline plane when he calls 10 miles out. Make sure
> they have a very clear picture of where you are and if you know of others
in
> the area include that too. A corporate pilot will avoid you if you
> communicate. When he is on 3 mi. final it's too late. If you can,
suggest
> how he can work into the pattern.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
> <nfn00979@naples.net>
> >
> > Walt,
> >
> > Be nervous. It is very good for your health. I fly out of what is a
"jet
> > port" for most of the year. Not a problem. I found they never fly
below
> > 500' agl. That's where I stay. Snug as a bug. I found out a long time
> ago
> > that those radio towers come up a lot slower than those jets. ;-) And
the
> > towers are always guaranteed to come at you only from straight ahead.
> >
> > Ted
> > Naples FL
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> > <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> > >
> > > C'mon guys,,,I'm getting nervous!!
> > > walt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> > > >
> > > > Good point Mark,
> > > >
> > > > I keep forgetting that most of you don't live/fly within a 30nm
radius
> > of
> > > > Class B like I do. I'm used to every aircraft that has electric
> having
> > a
> > > > mode C xpnder.
> > > >
> > > > I stand a bit corrected.... the TCAS in my dad's Citation wouldn't
see
> a
> > > non
> > > > xpnder equipped aircraft.
> > > >
> > > > DJ Vegh
> > > > N74DV
> > > > www.raptoronline.com
> > > > Mesa, AZ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
> > > > Any electronic collision avoidance
> > > > > they would have on board is dependent on "both"
> > > > > aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
> > > > > exactly standard equipment on a Piet.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Out here on the prairie, I'm not so concerned with corporate jet traffic but
with the crop dusters that fly at my altitude. Small battery powered strobes
are available for marking agricultural equipment on roadways and are easy to
fasten on top of a wing. Not FAA approved but makes us a whole lot more
visible.
Keep your head on a swivel!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of mark
deacon
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can corperate jets "see" me?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
Walt
You are both at the mercy of your ability to
"see and avoid". Any electronic collision avoidance
they would have on board is dependent on "both"
aircraft being equipped with a transponder. Not
exactly standard equipment on a Piet. Commercial
aircraft Radars are for weather avoidance. Only
military aircraft and even then probably only fighters
have RADAR that will show other aircraft.
So keep yer eyes open and be careful out there.
Mark Deacon
--- walter evans <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> About 20 miles from our airport is Morristown which
> many corperate jets fly into. Many summer evenings
> we are out at the field flying and bull crapping,
> when a jet comes thru , directly overhead, at less
> than 2000 feet, and he's stepping right along I
> guess about 200MPH. ( I don't know,,,but it's fast)
> I realize that when we're in VFR everyone's in VFR,
> but are we at the mercy of that pilot's ability to
> see my antique wire strung butt, or do they have
> RADAR or some other form of anti-collision systems?
> walt
> NX140DL
> (north N.J.)
>
> don't want to be a bug on a Boeing
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