Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:08 AM - Re: does smoke oil make a mess? (Barry Davis)
2. 11:52 AM - Re: aileron connections; was strut bracing (Alan James)
3. 02:00 PM - Re: Model A camshaft (Gene Rambo)
4. 03:56 PM - N # (Richard Navratril)
5. 04:20 PM - Re: N # (Hubbard, Eugene)
6. 04:34 PM - Re: N # (Christian Bobka)
7. 04:37 PM - print a copy (Christian Bobka)
8. 04:37 PM - Re: N # (Jack Phillips)
9. 05:18 PM - Re: N # (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 06:26 PM - Re: N # (Cy Galley)
11. 06:55 PM - Re: print a copy (The Huizenga's)
12. 07:05 PM - Re: N # (Kevin Holcomb)
13. 07:06 PM - Re: N # (Kip & Beth Gardner)
14. 07:07 PM - Re: N # (walter evans)
15. 07:21 PM - Re: print a copy (Christian Bobka)
16. 07:31 PM - Re: strut bracing (Darrel E. Jones)
17. 07:36 PM - Re: print a copy (Richard Navratril)
18. 07:56 PM - Re: print a copy (Christian Bobka)
19. 08:17 PM - Re: print a copy (Christian Bobka)
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| Subject: | Re: does smoke oil make a mess? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
I emailed an aerobatic friend at www.airshowunlimited.com and I am fwd. his
answer. Hope this might help
BArry , the oil is vaporizing from the heat. It's smoke not fire (unless the
buffoons put gas in it) . if your nozzles are correct the exhaust is just a
little residue . A little coat of PAM cooking spray keeps it easy to clean
up the exhaust area. Jeremy and I have been trying to invent a way to make a
heater to make smoke on the wingtips. No luck yet. The idea would probably
involve a dyna jet engine with no thrust and good flow and temps. Right now
it is smoke cartridges.
Come visit sometime.
Best,
Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: strut bracing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan James" <MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi Les
I have no pictures but I'll get some taken over the weekend and e-mail them
direct. I have not checked but it might be worth looking around the UK Piet
site for some info & pics. www.aircamper.co.uk
Regards
Alan James
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Schubert" <leskarin@telus.net>
Subject: Re: aileron connections; was Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
>
> Alan
> any chance of a picture of how this works. It sounds quite interesting.
> I am still building and was pondering how to connect the control cables
> for the 3 piece wing.
> Les
>
> At 08:42 PM 29/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan James"
> ><MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> >Hi Ted,
> >Yes, its a quick connect. As you offer the wing up to the centre section,
2
> >levers come face to face to complete a control loop to the aileron. Apart
> >from making it a little quicker to assemble, I believe it was also
intended
> >to get around the need for duplicate control inspections as required by
the
> >PFA. Jim also came up with some quick-release bracing cables (between the
> >lift struts). Personally, I would not bother with this mod unless you
intend
> >assembling and dis-assembling the machine every other weekend. After all,
> >its only three cables that need joining -one on each side of the aileron
> >torque/control arm and a break in the balance cable in the centre
section.
> >
> >Regards
> >Alan
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: aileron connections; was Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
> ><nfn00979@naples.net>
> > >
> > > Alan,
> > >
> > > Please tell us more about that auto-aileron connect facility. Is that
a
> > > quick connect?
> > >
> > > Ted
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alan James" <MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan James"
> > > <MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > >
> > > > Gene,
> > > > Most UK Piets have been built to a slightly modified drawing by Jim
> >Wills
> > > > and approved by our PFA who oversee such things. The main
differences
> > > > include:
> > > > 1. A three piece wing with (optional) auto-aileron connect facility.
> > > > 2. Built-up spars and 'D' box leading edge of 1/16" ply.
> > > > 3. Heavier than original lift struts.
> > > > As a consequence, the max weight has been increased from the
original
> > > 1050lb
> > > > to 1200lb. Stress calculations made at the time suggested that jury
> >struts
> > > > were not necessary and this is how I first flew G-BUCO back in '92.
> > > However,
> > > > it soon became apparent that at certain angles of attack and rpm
> >settings
> > > > the front struts would start vibrating. I first experienced this
over
> >The
> > > > Solent, a stretch of water that separates England from The Isle of
> >Wight.
> > > > This happened on at least 2 of the 5 UK Piets finished at the time
and
> >was
> > > > not good for the nerves! Fixes included setting the strut at an
angle to
> > > the
> > > > slipstream but the PFA decided on a mandatory modification of adding
> >jury
> > > > struts to the front only.
> > > > I hope this clears things up.
> > > > Good luck with your Piet.
> > > > Alan James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <ZigoDan@aol.com>
> > > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Gene,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not looked at my plans in a long time. All I am saying is
that
> > > > don't
> > > > > by any means delete something just for convince. Adding parts
like
> >jury
> > > > > struts, better AN hardware is an improvement in my opinion.
Thanks
> >for
> > > > > correcting me on my oversight.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model A camshaft |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
Does anyone have an opinion (boy, wrong question here!) on the merits of
using a reground camshaft that can be purchased from Bratton's for $50
versus Dan Price's new ones for $250?
Obviously new versus used is a consideration, but if it's not a weak point,
does it justify the price difference? Also, Price cams are "stepped up,"
whatever that means, still don't know if it's worth it.
Gene Rambo
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I called and was given my number N2RN today but FAA rep said they couldn't issue
it as NX. I remember past discussion on this. Is this modified at the inspection?
Dick N.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
My understanding is that it is issued as N2RN, but that you are allowed to
display it as NX2RN and leave off the "Experimental" lettering if it looks
like a plane (same external configuration) that flew before 1960. But I
haven't been through the drill yet so I don't know first-hand.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Navratril [mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N #
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
I called and was given my number N2RN today but FAA rep said they couldn't
issue it as NX. I remember past discussion on this. Is this modified at
the inspection?
Dick N.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Dick,
The way the regulations read in Part 45 Markings:
Sec. 45.22
Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: Special rules.
(b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
U.S.-registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been
issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition
aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external
configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated
without displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
45.33 if:
(1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches
high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the
Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
(i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
(ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft
("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X", experimental)
followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
(2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N" anywhere on
the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under paragraph
(b)(1) of this section.
(c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of this
section--
(1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it
temporarily bears marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through
45.33;
(2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that operation; or
[(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of this
chapter.]
(d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for a
person to mark it in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33, he
may apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
Amdt. 45-22, Eff. 4/27/2001
The official N number is still without the X in it. That is very true.
What your registration card will say is N2RN but the tail CAN say NX2RN.
Also note from the above FAR that your ship "may be operated without
displaying marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33" if
you cmply with 45.22(b), which says to use the X after the N.
You want to do this because part 45.23 (which you do not need to follow, see
last sentence) says:
Sec. 45.23
Display of marks; general.
(a) Each operator of an aircraft shall display on that aircraft marks
consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" (denoting United States
registration) followed by the registration number of the aircraft. Each
suffix letter used in the marks displayed must also be a Roman capital
letter.
(b) When marks that include only the Roman capital letter "N" and the
registration number are displayed on limited or restricted category aircraft
or experimental or provisionally certificated aircraft, the operator shall
also display on that aircraft near each entrance to the cabin or cockpit, in
letters not less than 2 inches nor more than 6 inches in height, the words
"limited," "restricted," "experimental," or "provisional airworthiness," as
the case may be.
Amdt. 45-9, Eff. 9/14/77
In other words, using the X on the rudder DELETES the need to put the big
ugly EXPERIMENTAL sticker "near each entrance to the cabin or cockpit".
Chris Bobka
EAA Technical Counselor
FAA A&P with Inspection Authorization
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Navratril
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N #
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
I called and was given my number N2RN today but FAA rep said they couldn't
issue it as NX. I remember past discussion on this. Is this modified at
the inspection?
Dick N.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Dick,
I forgot to mention that you should probably print a copy of what I just
sent and keep it around to show the DAR. BTW, I am applying through the EAA
to get my DAR so I can inspect everybody's Piets!
chris
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Navratril
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N #
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
I called and was given my number N2RN today but FAA rep said they couldn't
issue it as NX. I remember past discussion on this. Is this modified at
the inspection?
Dick N.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips@earthlink.net>
That is my understanding as well. When I reserved my number (NX899JP), the
FAA indicated that they only recognize it as N899JP. I'm expecting a battle
with the inspector over this, but by the time he sees it, NX will be painted
on.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hubbard,
Eugene
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N #
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
My understanding is that it is issued as N2RN, but that you are allowed to
display it as NX2RN and leave off the "Experimental" lettering if it looks
like a plane (same external configuration) that flew before 1960. But I
haven't been through the drill yet so I don't know first-hand.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Navratril [mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N #
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
I called and was given my number N2RN today but FAA rep said they couldn't
issue it as NX. I remember past discussion on this. Is this modified at
the inspection?
Dick N.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
If I may inject a personal experience, my DAR was not familiar with the NX
reg and I tried to explain the regs etc ala Mike Cuy. This was done in
conversation prior to his official inspection. When he came it was all in
order and he had all the paperwork typed and only needed a few documents from
me and lots of signatures. Seemed like I signed my name more than when I went
into the damned Army. I paid him his fee and he left with a smile on his
face. Hope all of you hopeful builders can draw a DAR as good as the one I
had. For those of you enjoying the good life in the lower half of the U S, if
you want his name just e mail me. He has a new Glasair which takes him here
to there real quick. He is good.
Corky in La
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You just put it on for appearance. The actual registration number doesn't
have the X.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N #
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> I called and was given my number N2RN today but FAA rep said they
couldn't issue it as NX. I remember past discussion on this. Is this
modified at the inspection?
> Dick N.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: print a copy |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "The Huizenga's" <kirkh@unique-software.com>
Hurrah Chris!!!!!!!
Great to hear - I'll be giving you a call sometime in the next year hopefully.
Kirk
St Paul, MN
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
>
>Dick,
>
>I forgot to mention that you should probably print a copy of what I just
>sent and keep it around to show the DAR. BTW, I am applying through the EAA
>to get my DAR so I can inspect everybody's Piets!
>
>chris
--
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kevin Holcomb" <ksholcomb@mindspring.com>
The number is not issued as an NX. To the FAA you will always be N2RN.
However, you are allowed to paint it on your airplane as NX2RN if your
airplane has the exterior appearance of an airplane more than a certain
number of years old (I think it is 30.) Of course the 'appearance' of an
old airplane leaves a lot of room for interpetation. Piet's would qualify
in nearly everyone's eyes. The use of the NX tail number also exempts you
from the large 'experimental' placard that is normally required. As this is
a rather unusual rule and whatever official you are dealing with has most
likely not seen it I would recommend you present a case citing the
applicable rules right off the bat rather than defending yourself after the
official makes a determination.
Best of luck to you,
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N #
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> I called and was given my number N2RN today but FAA rep said they
couldn't issue it as NX. I remember past discussion on this. Is this
modified at the inspection?
> Dick N.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 7:37 PM -0500 01/30/03, Jack Phillips wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
><jackphillips@earthlink.net>
>
>That is my understanding as well. When I reserved my number (NX899JP), the
>FAA indicated that they only recognize it as N899JP. I'm expecting a battle
>with the inspector over this, but by the time he sees it, NX will be painted
>on.
>
>Jack
So, you're going to keep the old Buckeye '899' tradition going? That's my
plan too, seeing as I are one now ;).
Maybe we can have an '899' fly-in up here in a few years.
Cheers!
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Dick.
I went thru this in Oct/Nov for my inspection, and it's as simple as
this.....You are issued a N# which shows up on ALL your paperwork. The ONLY
place the "X" shows up is on the plane. Luckily I had a copy of the reg
cause my my DAR was unfamilure with it. He later checked it out and it was
fine, Actually he put the "X" on the airworthiness cert, by mistake, and I
had to return it to him when he sent me the correct one.
walt
ps the "X" is legal , but it's ONLY on the plane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N #
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> I called and was given my number N2RN today but FAA rep said they
couldn't issue it as NX. I remember past discussion on this. Is this
modified at the inspection?
> Dick N.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Kirk,
I may need some help from you guys. The DAR application asks for
referrals. I can think of no better group to ask than those that I have
been helping with book sales, advice, etc. these past few years.
I was thinking that if each one of you could send me an email stating ways
that I have helped you through the building process, it may bolster the
chances of the DAR going through. It is a tough application. If any of you
should choose to do this, finish it up with your name, N number if you have
one assigned, and your email address. That way I can print them all out and
throw them in with the app to the FAA. Thanks.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of The
Huizenga's
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "The Huizenga's"
<kirkh@unique-software.com>
Hurrah Chris!!!!!!!
Great to hear - I'll be giving you a call sometime in the next year
hopefully.
Kirk
St Paul, MN
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
>
>Dick,
>
>I forgot to mention that you should probably print a copy of what I just
>sent and keep it around to show the DAR. BTW, I am applying through the
EAA
>to get my DAR so I can inspect everybody's Piets!
>
>chris
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| Subject: | Re: strut bracing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Darrel E. Jones" <wd6bor@vom.com>
Just a note to the list. We had a Pietenpol built without jury struts out
here in Northern California that folded the wings and crashed in turbulence.
My Piet has struts both front and back. It's cheap insurance and couldn't
possibly slow you down any more.
Darrel jones, Sonoma, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: strut bracing
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Clif writes-
>
> >I was just checking up on those British blokes.
> >All of them appear to have only ONE strut brace,
> >on the front strut only, nothing on the rear.
>
> Are you talking about jury struts that brace the main wing struts? Do you
> have a website URL I could look at to see this condition?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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> To: Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 01/25/03
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:56:08 -0800
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> Total Messages Posted Sat 01/25/03: 14
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 03:40 AM - Cool weather (rhartwig11@juno.com)
> 2. 03:41 AM - The cold. (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
> 3. 07:01 AM - Re: Cool weather (Mike)
> 4. 07:04 AM - Re: Cool weather (Michael Conkling)
> 5. 08:00 AM - it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet? (Oscar
Zuniga)
> 6. 08:17 AM - cold weather (walter evans)
> 7. 09:03 AM - Re: cold weather (Les Schubert)
> 8. 12:14 PM - Re: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
> (Isablcorky@aol.com)
> 9. 12:37 PM - Re: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet? (walter
> evans)
> 10. 02:37 PM - yet another weight and balance form (walter evans)
> 11. 05:49 PM - Siphon Sand Blaster (D. Engelkenjohn)
> 12. 07:09 PM - Re: cold weather (clif)
> 13. 07:14 PM - Re: Cool weather (clif)
> 14. 10:28 PM - The Brits (clif)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:40:47 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
> From: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
> I'm glad were not experiencing the same cold weather that the rest of you
> are having--so far for January we're 2.3 degrees above normal here in
> southern Wisconsin. Over the past twenty-four hours it has warmed up 24
> degrees and is now 12F above.........time to get out the short sleeve
> shirts.
> Dick H.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:41:26 AM PST US
> From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The cold.
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> In the book MIG PILOT (remember the Mig flown to Japan by a defecting
> Russian in the late 70's) He talks about growing up in Siberia. Every
> night, everyone who was lucky enough to have a cow, had to bring it into
> the living room of the house or it would freeze to death!!! Still this
> cold is nothing like what my dad said he had to put up with. When he was
> a boy. He had to walk to school bare foot and almost naked, 20 MILES! Up
> hill both ways! and on the way home he had to go by the feed store and
> grab 2 100 lb. bags of horse feed and carry them home, And when his
> little sister got tired, he carried her piggy back. I can't complain
> after knowing what he went threw. Leon S. trying to live up to my dad's
> memory. Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:01:09 AM PST US
> From: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
>
> Yeah, out here in my part of coastal California the weather's been pretty
> cool, too. 63-66 F highs and 40-45 F lows. Terrible, just terrible! We
> never get any plane building done because the weather is so good for
flying.
> (When the fog burns off).
> Mike
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:04:06 AM PST US
> From: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling"
> <hpvs@southwind.net>
>
> Now that's the Wis. I remember!! ( I grew up just west of Waukesha) On
the
> rare days that we could have "noon recess" in the gym, we'd go out anyway
> 'cause we could play anywhere on the playground! -- I spent many
afternoons
> "drying out" from messing around in the snow.
>
> Mike C.
> Pretty Prairie, KS (where I still remember how to drive on ice -)
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rhartwig11@juno.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
> >
> > I'm glad were not experiencing the same cold weather that the rest of
you
> > are having--so far for January we're 2.3 degrees above normal here in
> > southern Wisconsin. Over the past twenty-four hours it has warmed up
24
> > degrees and is now 12F above.........time to get out the short sleeve
> > shirts.
> > Dick H.
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:00:11 AM PST US
> From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Well, since it's so stinkin' cold everywhere, why don't we get a group
> together, book a cruise, and head down to Belize? Corky can even fly any
> airplane he wants down there, no license and no stinkin' medical required.
> And we can meet all of the Fisherman's old buddies ;o)
>
> Hey- we could get all the needed materials together and have a marathon
> Piet-building event onboard the cruise ship, see if we could get it all
> assembled and ready for flight before the cruise was over. Dock back at
Ft.
> Lauderdale and launch it off the poop-deck ;o)
>
> (Do y'all detect major "cabin fever" setting in among this group?)
>
> Oscar Zuniga... do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:17:52 AM PST US
> From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cold weather
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> "It was so cold this morning that the chicken crossed the road with a
> capon."
>
> Yes, it must be cabin fever.
>
> absolutely, without a doubt, do not archive
> walt
> NX140DL
> (north N.J.)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:03:27 AM PST US
> From: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cold weather
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
>
> Must be one desperate chicken, the capon isn't going to keep it very warm.
> ha ha
> Les
>
> At 11:14 AM 25/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> ><wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >"It was so cold this morning that the chicken crossed the road with a
> capon."
> >
> >Yes, it must be cabin fever.
> >
> >absolutely, without a doubt, do not archive
> >walt
> >NX140DL
> >(north N.J.)
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:14:16 PM PST US
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Pieters,
> Speaking of the fisherman, yesterday I received a very nice e mail from
him
> giving the details of an EAA chapter meeting he hosted. It was a good
letter
> and very informative. Anyone interested I would be happy to forward.
> Corky in La who likes everyone except those FAA beauros
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:37:15 PM PST US
> From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> My impression of the Fisherman, was that he was an interesting and
> intelligent guy. Think what ruffled alot of feathers in the group, was
his
> insistance of all of his input being peppered with his "tongue in cheek"
> humor. Alot of this humor could have/did have some of the newer builders
> believing his jokes were proper building options. ( the bamboo was the
> best)
> But instead of taking advice to tone it down, he came back with an
attitude.
> My feeling is that, in this world there's a place for all of us, and I
like
> most people.
> Some day I'd like to meet him.
> walt evans
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: it's so stinking cold/ are we there yet?
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
> >
> > Pieters,
> > Speaking of the fisherman, yesterday I received a very nice e mail from
> him
> > giving the details of an EAA chapter meeting he hosted. It was a good
> letter
> > and very informative. Anyone interested I would be happy to forward.
> > Corky in La who likes everyone except those FAA beauros
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:37:33 PM PST US
> From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> "Fishnet" <Fishnet@topica.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: yet another weight and balance form
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Don't know if this one was posted before. It from the Dawn Patrol site.
> Seemed
> pretty easy, and non confusing, for those of you at that building point.
Or
> if you just want to practice.
>
> http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/Wghtbal.htm
>
> download it from the bottom of the page
>
> walt
> NX140DL
> (north N.J.)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:49:08 PM PST US
> From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Siphon Sand Blaster
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn"
<wingding@usmo.com>
>
> Hey Piet Persons:
>
> I just went to Walmart to get some oil and found they had their
> siphon feed sand blasters on close out for $3.54 each. They are
> Campbell-Hausfield brand, and are not pressure feed or anything, but
> they only require 3.5 hp to work and at $3.54, they are more than a
> bargain. Great to blast all the metal parts on a Piet. They have ceramic
> nozzles by the way.
> Dennis Engelkenjohn
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:09:25 PM PST US
> From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cold weather
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
> Speaking of our ancestors 100 below, 100 mile
> uphill battles in 10 ft of snow, my neice sent me
> a good one, if you want it I'll forward it.
> Clif, in the pouring rain, somewhat north of 0.
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Les Schubert" <leskarin@telus.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cold weather
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
> >
> > Must be one desperate chicken, the capon isn't going to keep it very
> warm.
> > ha ha
> > Les
> >
> > At 11:14 AM 25/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> > ><wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> > >
> > >"It was so cold this morning that the chicken crossed the road with a
> capon."
> > >
> > >Yes, it must be cabin fever.
> > >
> > >absolutely, without a doubt, do not archive
> > >walt
> > >NX140DL
> > >(north N.J.)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:14:51 PM PST US
> From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
> And then there was the Californian who took
> his girl out in the fog and mist.
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cool weather
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
> >
> > Yeah, out here in my part of coastal California the weather's been
pretty
> > cool, too. 63-66 F highs and 40-45 F lows. Terrible, just terrible!
We
> > never get any plane building done because the weather is so good for
> flying.
> > (When the fog burns off).
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:28:24 PM PST US
> From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Brits
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
> I was just checking up on those British blokes.
> Looking through the list and pics of flying Piets
> I noticed something.
>
> All of them appear to have only ONE strut brace,
> on the front strut only, nothing on the rear.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Thanks all for the responses and especially you Chris for your very complete
and documented response. This isn't the first time. I would be very happy
to give reference with all of the help you have given me over 3 1/2 years.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I may need some help from you guys. The DAR application asks for
> referrals. I can think of no better group to ask than those that I have
> been helping with book sales, advice, etc. these past few years.
>
> I was thinking that if each one of you could send me an email stating ways
> that I have helped you through the building process, it may bolster the
> chances of the DAR going through. It is a tough application. If any of
you
> should choose to do this, finish it up with your name, N number if you
have
> one assigned, and your email address. That way I can print them all out
and
> throw them in with the app to the FAA. Thanks.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of The
> Huizenga's
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "The Huizenga's"
> <kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
> Hurrah Chris!!!!!!!
>
> Great to hear - I'll be giving you a call sometime in the next year
> hopefully.
>
> Kirk
> St Paul, MN
>
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
> >
> >Dick,
> >
> >I forgot to mention that you should probably print a copy of what I just
> >sent and keep it around to show the DAR. BTW, I am applying through the
> EAA
> >to get my DAR so I can inspect everybody's Piets!
> >
> >chris
>
>
> --
> Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList.cfm?Menu=PhotoGallery
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Dick,
Please do.
Chris
bobka@charter.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Navratril
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
Thanks all for the responses and especially you Chris for your very complete
and documented response. This isn't the first time. I would be very happy
to give reference with all of the help you have given me over 3 1/2 years.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I may need some help from you guys. The DAR application asks for
> referrals. I can think of no better group to ask than those that I have
> been helping with book sales, advice, etc. these past few years.
>
> I was thinking that if each one of you could send me an email stating ways
> that I have helped you through the building process, it may bolster the
> chances of the DAR going through. It is a tough application. If any of
you
> should choose to do this, finish it up with your name, N number if you
have
> one assigned, and your email address. That way I can print them all out
and
> throw them in with the app to the FAA. Thanks.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of The
> Huizenga's
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "The Huizenga's"
> <kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
> Hurrah Chris!!!!!!!
>
> Great to hear - I'll be giving you a call sometime in the next year
> hopefully.
>
> Kirk
> St Paul, MN
>
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
> >
> >Dick,
> >
> >I forgot to mention that you should probably print a copy of what I just
> >sent and keep it around to show the DAR. BTW, I am applying through the
> EAA
> >to get my DAR so I can inspect everybody's Piets!
> >
> >chris
>
>
> --
> Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList.cfm?Menu=PhotoGallery
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
And don't forget guys that the new DAR for experimental amateur built has no
geographical boundries. Once I get the DAR, I can travel anywhere in the
world to inspect an experimental that is to carry a US registration and I am
an airline pilot who gets places cheap, I mean cheap....
chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian
Bobka
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Dick,
Please do.
Chris
bobka@charter.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Navratril
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
Thanks all for the responses and especially you Chris for your very complete
and documented response. This isn't the first time. I would be very happy
to give reference with all of the help you have given me over 3 1/2 years.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I may need some help from you guys. The DAR application asks for
> referrals. I can think of no better group to ask than those that I have
> been helping with book sales, advice, etc. these past few years.
>
> I was thinking that if each one of you could send me an email stating ways
> that I have helped you through the building process, it may bolster the
> chances of the DAR going through. It is a tough application. If any of
you
> should choose to do this, finish it up with your name, N number if you
have
> one assigned, and your email address. That way I can print them all out
and
> throw them in with the app to the FAA. Thanks.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of The
> Huizenga's
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: print a copy
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "The Huizenga's"
> <kirkh@unique-software.com>
>
> Hurrah Chris!!!!!!!
>
> Great to hear - I'll be giving you a call sometime in the next year
> hopefully.
>
> Kirk
> St Paul, MN
>
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
> >
> >Dick,
> >
> >I forgot to mention that you should probably print a copy of what I just
> >sent and keep it around to show the DAR. BTW, I am applying through the
> EAA
> >to get my DAR so I can inspect everybody's Piets!
> >
> >chris
>
>
> --
> Kirk Huizenga and Bryan Eastep's Aircamper and Corvair Project
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList.cfm?Menu=PhotoGallery
>
>
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