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1. 01:14 AM - Re: near birdstrike (Cy Galley)
2. 06:06 AM - Re: near birdstrike (TomTravis@aol.com)
3. 07:58 AM - Re: near birdstrike (Christian Bobka)
4. 08:18 AM - Re: near birdstrike (TomTravis@aol.com)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: near birdstrike (TomTravis@aol.com)
6. 10:57 AM - Re: near birdstrike (Christian Bobka)
7. 12:05 PM - Re: long fuse gear (Kip & Beth Gardner)
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| Subject: | Re: near birdstrike |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I think you met to say... "A Cessna will not fly withOUT the windshield. It
disturbs the airflow so much over the tail that they can't fly. Call it a
lucky day."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: near birdstrike
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
>
> DJ,
>
> A cessna will not fly with the windshield. It disturbs the airflow so
much
> over the tail that they can't fly. Call it a lucky day.
>
> The mylar balloons are lots of fun to chase. Unless the prop actually
hits
> them, they will bounce off the windshield and you have to go back and do
it
> again. It is pretty hard to find it the second time around too. I used
to
> live on the north side of Dallas and with the prevailing south wind, every
> afternoon had its handfull of balloons. I was a regular Frank Luke. At
> least a double ace and maybe even a triple. One time, in my Taylorcraft,
I
> hit the balloon low and to the right. After bursting, the big piece of
> mylar wrapped itself around the wing strut and I landed with the "victim"
as
> a souvenir.
>
> As far as the falcon, I have seen flight of ducks pass over the top of the
> cockpit, in the SAAB 340 without lights on, at 250KTS, at 9000 feet, AT
> NIGHT.
>
> chris bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: near birdstrike
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> I just had a heart stopping experience.... Went around for some local
> flying today in the club 152. A friend and I were just zipping around the
> valley (nice day today... partly cloudy and 68 degrees).
>
> Just as I'm calling Falcon Field Tower for landing my friend yells "Bird!"
> Straight ahead at same altitude is a huge Falcon heading straight at us.
I
> had about 1 second to react... I nosed over hard and to the right just as
> the bird slipped passed us right over the windshield... I swear I saw the
> look in that bird eyes.
>
> It's a damn good thing my friend yelled cause I was looking off to my
right
> at Falcon Field as I was calling in for landing.
>
> If I hadn't have nosed over that Falcon would have hit either smack in the
> center of the windshield or an engine intake.
>
> Those Falcons are big too.. probably 6lbs and 4 ft. wingspan. I figure
we
> were doing around 100kts and the bird was probably doing 20kts.
>
> I could only imagine if it had hit the windshield... it'd have gone right
> through into the cockpit.
>
> I've come close to birds before, but this was a definate near miss.
>
> What's amazing is just about 20 minutes prior to that we almost hit a
heart
> shaped mylar helium balloon (Valentine's balloon no doubt). That wasn't
as
> scary since a balloon would most likely not do any damage....
>
> Just goes to show you, you can have months of boring flying and then in
one
> day have a handful.
>
> I'm definately gonna mark down some remarks of today's flight in the
> logbook... look back at it 20 yrs from now and chuckle.
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.raptoronline.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: near birdstrike |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
In a message dated 2/16/2003 3:14:58 AM Central Standard Time,
cgalley@qcbc.org writes:
> think you met to say... "A Cessna will not fly withOUT the windshield. It
> disturbs the airflow so much over the tail that they can't fly. Call it a
> lucky day."
>
Actually, they will fly without a windshield but it's a bit windy and noisy.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
true. I corrected it in a minute. My mind gets ahead of my fingers.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: near birdstrike
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I think you met to say... "A Cessna will not fly withOUT the windshield. It
disturbs the airflow so much over the tail that they can't fly. Call it a
lucky day."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: near birdstrike
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
>
> DJ,
>
> A cessna will not fly with the windshield. It disturbs the airflow so
much
> over the tail that they can't fly. Call it a lucky day.
>
> The mylar balloons are lots of fun to chase. Unless the prop actually
hits
> them, they will bounce off the windshield and you have to go back and do
it
> again. It is pretty hard to find it the second time around too. I used
to
> live on the north side of Dallas and with the prevailing south wind, every
> afternoon had its handfull of balloons. I was a regular Frank Luke. At
> least a double ace and maybe even a triple. One time, in my Taylorcraft,
I
> hit the balloon low and to the right. After bursting, the big piece of
> mylar wrapped itself around the wing strut and I landed with the "victim"
as
> a souvenir.
>
> As far as the falcon, I have seen flight of ducks pass over the top of the
> cockpit, in the SAAB 340 without lights on, at 250KTS, at 9000 feet, AT
> NIGHT.
>
> chris bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: near birdstrike
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> I just had a heart stopping experience.... Went around for some local
> flying today in the club 152. A friend and I were just zipping around the
> valley (nice day today... partly cloudy and 68 degrees).
>
> Just as I'm calling Falcon Field Tower for landing my friend yells "Bird!"
> Straight ahead at same altitude is a huge Falcon heading straight at us.
I
> had about 1 second to react... I nosed over hard and to the right just as
> the bird slipped passed us right over the windshield... I swear I saw the
> look in that bird eyes.
>
> It's a damn good thing my friend yelled cause I was looking off to my
right
> at Falcon Field as I was calling in for landing.
>
> If I hadn't have nosed over that Falcon would have hit either smack in the
> center of the windshield or an engine intake.
>
> Those Falcons are big too.. probably 6lbs and 4 ft. wingspan. I figure
we
> were doing around 100kts and the bird was probably doing 20kts.
>
> I could only imagine if it had hit the windshield... it'd have gone right
> through into the cockpit.
>
> I've come close to birds before, but this was a definate near miss.
>
> What's amazing is just about 20 minutes prior to that we almost hit a
heart
> shaped mylar helium balloon (Valentine's balloon no doubt). That wasn't
as
> scary since a balloon would most likely not do any damage....
>
> Just goes to show you, you can have months of boring flying and then in
one
> day have a handful.
>
> I'm definately gonna mark down some remarks of today's flight in the
> logbook... look back at it 20 yrs from now and chuckle.
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.raptoronline.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: near birdstrike |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Hi Chris,
I've hit a bunch of birds over the years but, so far, haven't lost a
windshield yet. A couple of friends have had windshields taken out and they
say it's really niosy but they mostly talked about the mess inside the
airplane.
I think the worst story I ever heard was the guy who hit a buzzard on the
left wing root in a 172. Buzzard innards came in through the vent and
covered him. He said the smell was just overpowering.
One time I hit a bird going into Memphis in a 727. It hit just above the
left eyebrow window. Being a young eager captain I followed all the
procedures and reported a bird strike. FedEx sent a mechanic over with a
stand and he checked #2 engine for damage. No problem. I started the
paperwork and soon got bogged down. They wanted to know what species, sex,
direction of flight and all sorts of silly stuff. They almost demanded his
mother's maiden name. Hell, it was just a bird. From then on I only hit
bugs - some of them had feathers though.
Hit a duck one night in my Bonanza. He went through the prop and impacted
the lower left side of the cowl. The damage was about $5,000. I could tell
it was a green-head mallard though. Sure made a loud sound and the airplane
jerked sideways so there was no doubt that I had hit something.
Did a lot of flying down in South America and always wondered what a condor
would do to a jet.
Tom
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Oops. Sorry guys. Thought I was responding to Chris off the board.
Tom
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Tom.
I know the form you are talking about. I looked at it once and said that I
will never hit a bird.
Chris
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TomTravis@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: near birdstrike
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Hi Chris,
I've hit a bunch of birds over the years but, so far, haven't lost a
windshield yet. A couple of friends have had windshields taken out and they
say it's really niosy but they mostly talked about the mess inside the
airplane.
I think the worst story I ever heard was the guy who hit a buzzard on the
left wing root in a 172. Buzzard innards came in through the vent and
covered him. He said the smell was just overpowering.
One time I hit a bird going into Memphis in a 727. It hit just above the
left eyebrow window. Being a young eager captain I followed all the
procedures and reported a bird strike. FedEx sent a mechanic over with a
stand and he checked #2 engine for damage. No problem. I started the
paperwork and soon got bogged down. They wanted to know what species, sex,
direction of flight and all sorts of silly stuff. They almost demanded his
mother's maiden name. Hell, it was just a bird. From then on I only hit
bugs - some of them had feathers though.
Hit a duck one night in my Bonanza. He went through the prop and impacted
the lower left side of the cowl. The damage was about $5,000. I could tell
it was a green-head mallard though. Sure made a loud sound and the airplane
jerked sideways so there was no doubt that I had hit something.
Did a lot of flying down in South America and always wondered what a condor
would do to a jet.
Tom
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 9:05 PM -0500 02/13/03, Christian Bobka wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
>
>Kip,
>
>Please ask him about the lead. It was there last time his ship was at
>Brodhead. I took a picture of it so I know I ain't lyin'.
>
>The measurement was with the longerons level fore and aft?
>
>chris bobka
Chris,
The measurement was taken by dropping a line at 90 degrees from the top
longeron to the axle & measuring from that. I'm not at liberty to go
horsing Sky Gypsy around without Frank present. Like I said, it was COLD
and DARK in that damn hangar! The main doors were snowed shut & the power
was off at the panel, so all I had to go by was the light from the 'clear'
fiberglass skylights. Hence my disclaimer about accuracy!
Glad Mike C. cleared up the lead issue. Frank looks MUCH slimmer these days
than he did in the pictures I've seen of him from several years ago, before
I met him. He's not exactly a tall guy either; the top of his head just
barely clears the cockpit on the Waco. Don't know how he plans on seeing
out - presuming he doesn't sell it before he gets a chance to fly it!
Regards,
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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