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1. 12:02 AM - Re: Bob Whittier's column (clif)
2. 02:08 AM - Re: Winter Relief (del magsam)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Winter Relief (Kip & Beth Gardner)
4. 05:39 AM - Re: Colors, Flooding in VA (Kip & Beth Gardner)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Colors (Ken Rickards)
6. 07:22 AM - Re: Winter Relief (del magsam)
7. 08:14 AM - Re: Blizzard of 03' (Richard Navratril)
8. 08:59 AM - Re: Blizzard of 03' (Ken)
9. 12:34 PM - Re: Blizzard of '03 (Christian Bobka)
10. 02:00 PM - Re: Blizzard of 03' (Jeffrey Wilcox)
11. 04:02 PM - Does anyone want to ante up? (walter evans)
12. 04:46 PM - Re: Blizzard of '03 (Kip & Beth Gardner)
13. 05:50 PM - Re: Does anyone want to ante up? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 07:16 PM - Re: Blizzard of '03 (Doyle Combs)
15. 07:23 PM - Firewall shaping (Ted Brousseau)
16. 08:41 PM - Re: Firewall shaping (ZigoDan@aol.com)
17. 09:38 PM - Re: Firewall shaping (Bert Conoly)
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Whittier's column |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Wait a minute! To me the expression " no beauty "
is a far cry from " ugly ". There are many things out
there that are " no beauty " but are still easy on the
eye because all the parts fit well together. This goes
for cars, boats, airplanes, and women.( or maybe I should say
" those of the opposite gender", just to be politicaly correct.)
Morgans and MG TC's aren't beautiful in any conventional
sense but I sure woudn't pass either one up! Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bob Whittier's column
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Pietenpolers: hold your calls and letters to Mary Jones! Please read her
> reply to my email to her, and I apologized to her for causing any ruckus.
I
> only intended to stick up for the Piet in a good way, not to bark or snap.
> ==================================
>
> From: "Mary Jones" <mjones@eaa.org>
> To: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Bob Whittier's column
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:10:44 -0600
>
> Hey Oscar ...
>
> Please don't get riled about Bob's comment that the Pietenpol "is no
> beauty." Honestly, I don't think you could find a bigger fan of the
> Pietenpol airplane than Bob Whittier. In fact, I'm suspecting he may have
> made the statement just to be more "journalistically objective"; that's
how
> much he loves Pietenpols.
>
> Witness that he plans his trips to AirVenture to include time to attend
the
> Pietenpol Fly-in in Brodhead ... and, frankly, that's his favorite fly-in
to
> go to, bar none. He goes to great effort to be able to go there. This past
> summer, his usual ride, Jim (who's last name I can't remember at the
moment)
> wasn't going to go to the fly-in, but Jim helped find someone else to give
> Bob a ride, and we arranged for him and his new ride to meet at Oshkosh.
He
> goes to great lengths to get that fly-in, and he'd be heartbroken if he
> wasn't welcome there again.
>
> So, fear not, Bob wasn't trying to disparage this wonderful airplane in
any
> way...and if he thought that he upset Pietenpol owners, he'd be very
> distraught. So much so that I'll gladly take any guff anyone wants to
give
> him. I won't mention this to him, and I'd ask Pietenpol owners to not
write
> him. If someone has to let off steam, write me.
>
> Bob probably wouldn't want me to say this, but he's having a lot of
> struggles in his life now as his wife is in advancing stages of
Alzheimer's
> Disease. Sometimes just being able to get an article done is a lot of
stress
> for him. But, he's adamant about wanting to keep writing as long as he
> possibly can. This is what he lives for.
>
> I guess what I'm asking ... let's give Bob a break on this one. I
wouldn't
> want to see his heart broken over this ... and that could easily happen.
>
> Oscar, feel free to put this on the Pietenpol list, if necessary.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Mary
> =============================================
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Relief |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
thanks much John!
what a vantage point. I believe I speak for everyone
in saying that these were definitely a shot in the arm
to beat the winter doldrums. I've just finished up my
vair powered sonex, and have thoughts of getting back
on my piet project. vair powered, of course.
Del
--- John Hofmann <jhofmann@charter.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann
> <jhofmann@charter.net>
>
> Pieters,
>
> In honor of those snowed under I have posted three
> photos I snapped at
> Brodhead last summer. Use them to bring warmth to
> your lives. These were
> taken about 6:00 A.M. from the west side of the
> runway right after I awoke.
> The yellow Piet is Larry Williams and the Blue one
> is Dennis Hall's. I think
> I got the identification right. I have a few more
> from this year and last if
> anyone cares. Enjoy!
>
> -john-
>
> http://www.johnnyskyrocket.com/bh/
>
> Follow the above link for the photos.
>
>
>
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Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Relief |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 5:05 AM -0500 02/19/03, del magsam wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
>
>thanks much John!
>what a vantage point. I believe I speak for everyone
>in saying that these were definitely a shot in the arm
>to beat the winter doldrums. I've just finished up my
>vair powered sonex, and have thoughts of getting back
>on my piet project. vair powered, of course.
>Del
>--- John Hofmann <jhofmann@charter.net> wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann
>> <jhofmann@charter.net>
Del,
How did you manage the Corvair in your Sonex? I seem to recall that WW had
some concerns about this combination because of the Sonex's firewall-area
geometry, and maybe weight?
I'd be interested to know how you did it, I'm thinking of building a Sonex
one day as a cross-country plane, but don't want the expense of a Jabiru or
the potential problems of a VW (there's always someone writing in to the
Engine column of Experimenter with a VW problem).
Regards,
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Colors, Flooding in VA |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 11:13 PM -0500 02/18/03, Ted Brousseau wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
>
>I realize there is the risk that my earlier message about flying in shirt
>sleeves might create a boycott on answering my questions. But, I could help
>it.
>
>I really enjoy reading the thoughtful answers given here. I am looking for
>suggested paint schemes. I think I decided on Silver wings and HStab. The
>front part of the fuselage will be natural wood. The cowling will be
>brushed aluminum. I was thinking about making the rear fuselage something
>like a maroon color. Something from the 30s. I am open to suggestions. My
>main question is about all the metal fittings. Would you blend them in with
>the surroundings or make a contrasting color?
>
>I know this is subjective, but I am looking for ideas. Thanks.
>
>Ted
Ted,
Sky Gypsy is painted solid red on the fuselage with black fittings - the
contrast looks very cool. In general, I think contrasting colors look good,
as long as they don't clash (i.e. purple & pink, or some such ridiculous
combination.)
I'm planning on a dark blue fuse with orange wings and black fittings
throughout.
******************************************************************************
Ken, I remember the flooding throughout VA in '96 very well. A friend of
mine in the Shenandoah Valley nearly lost his dam & had 2 roads on his
property washed out. It took us the better part of the summer to get things
back to normal. That's why my resoponse to Gary emphasized the importance
of topography in the East. Here in this part of OH, the rolling nature of
the land gives things time to soak in more than in the Piedmont or
Appalchian region. Hope you guyts don't get blasted again by the warm
weather.
Cheers (with a little 'chill' thrown in)
Kip Gardner in snowy OH.
North Canton, OH
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
Ted there is a great program on the UK Piet site. Chris Tracys MS paint
program. It allows you to play with your paint scheme before you commit.
It uses 3 basic engine models, Model A, A65 and Corvair. I found it very
useful.
http://www.flyerworld.com/shenty/ukaircampers/libraryindex.htm
Ken
GN1 2992
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Brousseau [mailto:nfn00979@naples.net]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Colors
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
I realize there is the risk that my earlier message about flying in shirt
sleeves might create a boycott on answering my questions. But, I could help
it.
I really enjoy reading the thoughtful answers given here. I am looking for
suggested paint schemes. I think I decided on Silver wings and HStab. The
front part of the fuselage will be natural wood. The cowling will be
brushed aluminum. I was thinking about making the rear fuselage something
like a maroon color. Something from the 30s. I am open to suggestions. My
main question is about all the metal fittings. Would you blend them in with
the surroundings or make a contrasting color?
I know this is subjective, but I am looking for ideas. Thanks.
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Relief |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
Kip
mounting the vair was a piece of cake. I did some
weight cutting which you can see in my pics. I've got
2 hrs run time and am happy with it so far.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=53
Del
> Del,
>
> How did you manage the Corvair in your Sonex? I seem
> to recall that WW had
> some concerns about this combination because of the
> Sonex's firewall-area
> geometry, and maybe weight?
>
> I'd be interested to know how you did it, I'm
> thinking of building a Sonex
> one day as a cross-country plane, but don't want the
> expense of a Jabiru or
> the potential problems of a VW (there's always
> someone writing in to the
> Engine column of Experimenter with a VW problem).
>
> Regards,
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
>
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Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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| Subject: | Re: Blizzard of 03' |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Hey Ted
Your just a ball of joy. I have been flat on my back for 6 days with the
worst flu ever. We'll catch up at SNF.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Blizzard of 03'
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
<nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> I spent 2 1/2 hours on Saturday in either the front or back seat of the
Piet
> teaching someone new how to control it. This was done in a t shirt.
Sure
> glad my folks decided to move to Florida a long time ago.
>
> Ted
> Naples FL
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blizzard of 03'
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford"
> <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
> >
> > Sorry to tell you folks up north. I will be putting a rebuilt cylinder
on
> > my GN-1 tomorrow. The hanger door will be open and I will be looking at
> > green grass. Had enough sense to leave Wisconsin.
> >
> > jon b
> > Hewitt, TX
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
Where in Texas do they have green grass. When I was down there back in 60
all the grass was brown.
Ken
av8or@citizen.infi.net
kring@mountainviewdogs.com
kring@irisweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon
Botsford
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blizzard of 03'
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
Sorry to tell you folks up north. I will be putting a rebuilt cylinder on
my GN-1 tomorrow. The hanger door will be open and I will be looking at
green grass. Had enough sense to leave Wisconsin.
jon b
Hewitt, TX
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Kip,
I still go on the same hill by the indian mounds and look at the same
airport under water.
chris
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kip &
Beth Gardner
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Blizzard of '03
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 3:16 PM -0500 02/18/03, Gary Gower wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
>Kip,
>
>Do you think that with all that snow, there will be flooding problems
>in the spring?
>
>I still remember the article about the Neuport 11 (Kansas Dawn
>Patrol)that was rescued from a flood...
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower
Gary,
Spring flooding can always be a potential problem in the Eastern part of
the US, with the biggest problems being in the Appalachian Mountains.
However, I think this recent storm won't cause trouble in our area as it
should melt off pretty gradually. Here in northeastern OH, flooding tends
to be confined to the creek and river valleys, since we have a low,
rolling-hill topography (not unlike the Hill Country between San Antonio
and Austin, TX, if you've ever been there, but wetter & with more trees).
When I was young, I lived for a time near the Mississippi River, and spring
floods there were a big deal. I remember standing at the top of a bluff
overlooking the river and seeing the old St. Paul, MN airport under about
10 feet of water down in the river's flood plain. Any hangar queens that
were down there were pretty much out of luck!
At any rate, I hope no one has to deal with rescuing planes this Spring!
Cheers!
Kip Gardner
Do Not Arcive
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Blizzard of 03' |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox@peoplepc.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Brousseau <nfn00979@naples.net>
> I spent 2 1/2 hours on Saturday in either the front or back seat of the
Piet
> teaching someone new how to control it. This was done in a t shirt.
Sure
> glad my folks decided to move to Florida a long time ago.
>
> Ted
> Naples FL
AND I just spent 6 days in the hospital recovering from a deflated left lung
caused by pneumonia right here in south Florida. Never can tell . . . .
But it is sure nice to be home, read all my email, and plan my work on the
airplane!
Craig
Lake Worth, FL
do not archive
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"Fishnet" <Fishnet@topica.com>
| Subject: | Does anyone want to ante up? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Just thought of a crazy idea. Maybe it's the cabin fever progressing to a fatal
stage,,,
figured if we took time to talk about the unsung heros that ,,,,,,,
Got us into flying,,
Got us into building,,,
Stood behind us with technical input which seemed easy when they said it, but we
forget how much they went thru to get that knowledge.
We can never brag that they are somehow connected to us,,only that fate brought
them to us. Just the same way that we hope fate will bring us to some young/young
at heart person that will want to pick up what we know.
I'll start.....
My first instructor (in 1966) was a P-47/P-51 pilot in WW11, last saw him
4 years ago at 83, still teaching, and hope he,s OK Hi Dick Plahn.
Who got me into building , was a guy, hope I can call him a friend, Bob Cook
,on the fishnet group, who showed me his beautiful Celebrity on the gear without
the fabric, and I was hooked.
And lastly,,,Dick Lawson, AP, EAA #0000000000000272, builder of many airplanes,
and an all around wealth of knowledge, lost his wife a few years ago, but
keeps plugging along. My N # reflects his initials, and he WILL be the first
butt cheeks in the front seat of my Piet after the 25 hours are flown off .
Corky, Your Edwin Johnson for instance, what is his past? Even if this thread
doesn't hold interest, I'd like to know Edwins story, I'll bet it's very interesting.
walt
NX140DL
(north N.J.)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 3:34 PM -0500 02/19/03, Christian Bobka wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
>
>Kip,
>
>I still go on the same hill by the indian mounds and look at the same
>airport under water.
>
>chris
>When I was young, I lived for a time near the Mississippi River, and spring
>floods there were a big deal. I remember standing at the top of a bluff
>overlooking the river and seeing the old St. Paul, MN airport under about
>10 feet of water down in the river's flood plain. Any hangar queens that
>were down there were pretty much out of luck!
>
>At any rate, I hope no one has to deal with rescuing planes this Spring!
>
>Cheers!
>
>Kip Gardner
>
>Do Not Arcive
Chris,
Exactly the spot! When I was young, we always believed there was buried
treasure in those mounds.
My Dad grew up on a farm not far from there, up near Carver Lake. They
moved to town when the farmhouse burned down in the 20's. His Aunt & Uncle
had a small farm down on McKnight Road that they kept up until the early
'60's. It's all gone now, probably condos. It was really cool to sit in
their lower pasture (still up on the bluff) & watch planes come & go from
the airport - when it wasn't under water of course ;).
Cheers!
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Does anyone want to ante up? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Walt,
Edwin truly is a very remarkable young man. But for particulars I'd rather
you contact him direct as I've found Edwin to be a very private person and I
would not want to say anything which might offend, disclose or otherwise
fringe on his personal life.
elj@shreve.net will get him
Corky in La where it's raining but no snow
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| Subject: | Re: Blizzard of '03 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle Combs" <dcombs@Ltex.net>
Kip, thanks for the plans for the gas tank for the piet. I really do
appreciate it. I received them in the mail today. Hope things are going well
for you and yours.
Doyle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Blizzard of '03
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> At 3:34 PM -0500 02/19/03, Christian Bobka wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
> >
> >Kip,
> >
> >I still go on the same hill by the indian mounds and look at the same
> >airport under water.
> >
> >chris
>
>
> >When I was young, I lived for a time near the Mississippi River, and
spring
> >floods there were a big deal. I remember standing at the top of a bluff
> >overlooking the river and seeing the old St. Paul, MN airport under about
> >10 feet of water down in the river's flood plain. Any hangar queens that
> >were down there were pretty much out of luck!
> >
> >At any rate, I hope no one has to deal with rescuing planes this Spring!
> >
> >Cheers!
> >
> >Kip Gardner
> >
> >Do Not Arcive
>
> Chris,
>
> Exactly the spot! When I was young, we always believed there was buried
> treasure in those mounds.
>
> My Dad grew up on a farm not far from there, up near Carver Lake. They
> moved to town when the farmhouse burned down in the 20's. His Aunt & Uncle
> had a small farm down on McKnight Road that they kept up until the early
> '60's. It's all gone now, probably condos. It was really cool to sit in
> their lower pasture (still up on the bluff) & watch planes come & go from
> the airport - when it wasn't under water of course ;).
>
> Cheers!
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
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| Subject: | Firewall shaping |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
I have looked through the archive pictures and see some of the firewall
metal having been shaped with what I will call a rolled edge about 1/2"
wide. I can figure on how to bend the straight edges on the sides and
bottom. But, as usual, I can't figure how to roll the curved edge at the
top of the firewall and make it look nice. Do you need special tools or is
this something that can be done at home.
Thanks, Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall shaping |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
Ted,
Use a metal stretcher or expander, neat little devices. Try to borrow one
they are somewhat expensive. But you can take a piece of straight angle and
make it curved.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall shaping |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly@earthlink.net>
Ted:
Tony Bingelis' book has a neat way to do it. You do it by drilling a bunch
holes in
one leg of the angle and bending it around. If I can remember (I have CRS
disease you know)
I'll copy it and mail to you (oops, copyright infringement) I'll call you
and tell you about it.
Bert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall shaping
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
<nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> I have looked through the archive pictures and see some of the firewall
> metal having been shaped with what I will call a rolled edge about 1/2"
> wide. I can figure on how to bend the straight edges on the sides and
> bottom. But, as usual, I can't figure how to roll the curved edge at the
> top of the firewall and make it look nice. Do you need special tools or
is
> this something that can be done at home.
>
> Thanks, Ted
>
>
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