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1. 04:35 AM - Re: GN-1 Plans (Dick and Marge Gillespie)
2. 01:28 PM - just try not to touch that throttle----a test (Edwin Johnson)
3. 02:50 PM - Trying again! (Jon Botsford)
4. 03:29 PM - Re: Trying again! (Dick and Marge Gillespie)
5. 03:56 PM - Correction!! Correction!!! (Paul Schermerhorn)
6. 04:24 PM - Re: Trying again! (walter evans)
7. 04:27 PM - Re: Correction!! Correction!!! (walter evans)
8. 05:53 PM - Re: Cooling Eyebrows (Richard Navratril)
9. 06:31 PM - Re: Trying again! (Jon Botsford)
10. 07:14 PM - Re: Firewall shaping (Ted Brousseau)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg@peganet.com>
As seen in March 03 KITPLANES:
R.J. Grega
PO Box 391086
Solon, OH 44139
Plans $50.00.
DickG.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Schermerhorn" <pest1419@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Paul Schermerhorn
<pest1419@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I ordered GN-1 plans 12.02.02. Check has been cashed, but no plans yet.
>
> I did not know of John's passing at the time.
>
> Still not a big deal!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | just try not to touch that throttle----a test |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Edwin Johnson <elj@shreve.net>
Mike,
Yes, the sink rate can become, especially at low airspeeds, quite
dramatic. But for a _real_ charge, come in higher than you ever thought
possible, cut the power, and put it in a nice slip. Wow! Talk about decent
rate, yet will round out of the slip quite nicely for the landing. Now
here is the case where you could definitely get the plane into a shorter
field than you could get it out, I imagine. Anyway lots of fun to try.
...Edwin
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> landings. I choose an altitude and spot to bring the throttle back on
> downwind then try not to touch the throttle till after touchdown. Not as
> easy as I thought it would be in the Piet. These things are draggy. I
> mean draggy. You need to hold the nose down further than any other plane
> you have flown before to keep your speed sufficient with the engine at
> idle. Compound that with a wind down the runway (which is the way most
> of us try to land) and this becomes a game of "would I have clipped the
> wires or made the runway ?". I'm amazed at how many times I would have
> not made the runway if that burst of power were not available.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj@shreve.net ~
~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~
~ ~
~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~
~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~
~ for there you have been, there you long ~
~ to return." -- da Vinci ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
I did not get any response concerning the cross bracing wires on the side of
the cockpit. When I reviewed my e-mail I noticed that I used the wrong
terms on it. What I need to know is does the GN-1 use the wire cross braces
located between the right hand center section struts on the front and rear
of the front cockpit? I have reviewed my plans and do not see them
indicated on them. I have seen them on "B.H." Piet's but, have not seen
other GN-1's to see if they use them. I hope that somebody can shed some
light on this.
Thanks,
Jon Botsford
Looking at the snow/sleet, not green grass! I now empathize with the up
north folks.
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Subject: | Re: Trying again! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg@peganet.com>
I for one omitted these cross wires as the front cabane struts, right and
left are braced by diagonals to the top longerons next to the firewall.
DickG. (GN-1)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying again!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford"
<botsford7@hot.rr.com>
>
> I did not get any response concerning the cross bracing wires on the side
of
> the cockpit. When I reviewed my e-mail I noticed that I used the wrong
> terms on it. What I need to know is does the GN-1 use the wire cross
braces
> located between the right hand center section struts on the front and rear
> of the front cockpit? I have reviewed my plans and do not see them
> indicated on them. I have seen them on "B.H." Piet's but, have not seen
> other GN-1's to see if they use them. I hope that somebody can shed some
> light on this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Botsford
> Looking at the snow/sleet, not green grass! I now empathize with the up
> north folks.
>
>
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Subject: | Correction!! Correction!!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Paul Schermerhorn <pest1419@yahoo.com>
I did find my GN-1 plans today! They came not long before Christmas and must have
missed them then. Sincere apologies to the Gregas and the list.
Again SORRY,
Paul
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Subject: | Re: Trying again! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Jon,
From what I understand about Piets, is that the earlier piets had the cross
bracing on the right to stop the wing from fwd/ back movement during flight.
And the newer plans added the angled "struts" from the fwd top of the wings
at the cabane struts, down to the top engine mounts. These served the same
purpose, and did not restrict the entry/egress of the front cockpit. On
mine , built over the last four years , and finally licenced last fall, AND
with only 3 1/2 hours on it, I opted for the diagonal bracing. Also it
takes awile to decide which fuse to build, and why. I did the long fuse
with an extented engine mount , by about 1 3/4" , to counter balance my fat
a**. ( with an A-65)
I can send you pics direct or you can go here.
http://photos.yahoo.com/joepiet
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying again!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford"
<botsford7@hot.rr.com>
>
> I did not get any response concerning the cross bracing wires on the side
of
> the cockpit. When I reviewed my e-mail I noticed that I used the wrong
> terms on it. What I need to know is does the GN-1 use the wire cross
braces
> located between the right hand center section struts on the front and rear
> of the front cockpit? I have reviewed my plans and do not see them
> indicated on them. I have seen them on "B.H." Piet's but, have not seen
> other GN-1's to see if they use them. I hope that somebody can shed some
> light on this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Botsford
> Looking at the snow/sleet, not green grass! I now empathize with the up
> north folks.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Correction!! Correction!!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Paul,
OK, OK, apology accepted, now we want to smell sawdust and glue.
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Schermerhorn" <pest1419@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Correction!! Correction!!!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Paul Schermerhorn
<pest1419@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I did find my GN-1 plans today! They came not long before Christmas and
must have missed them then. Sincere apologies to the Gregas and the list.
>
> Again SORRY,
>
> Paul
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Cooling Eyebrows |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Walt
I used copper wire rolled into mine.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Eyebrows
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Does everyone roll welding rod wire in the exposed edges of the eyebrows?
> Guess everyone does, but I thought I'd bring it up again, since the thread
> started again. also used it in all the openings of the engine cowl.
> Makes for a really nice job.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg@peganet.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Eyebrows
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie"
> <dickmarg@peganet.com>
> >
> > What is the thinnest 4130 that brackets can be made of that fasten to
the
> cylinder attach studs, and are they placed between the nuts and the
> palnuts?
> >
> > DickG. in Ft. Myers
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trying again! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
Walt,
Much thanks for the information. I looked at your pictures. VERY
IMPRESSIVE. I know how frustrated you are to get it in the air again. I am
doing some engine work (Franklin 65) and modifying the front seat for my
honey. also installing new seatbelts and shoulder harness for the front
seat. I have followed your inputs on the Piet list-serv and always found
them to be interesting. again thanks,
Jon Botsford
Hewitt, Texas (Near Wacky Waco)
----- Original Message -----
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trying again!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Jon,
From what I understand about Piets, is that the earlier piets had the cross
bracing on the right to stop the wing from fwd/ back movement during flight.
And the newer plans added the angled "struts" from the fwd top of the wings
at the cabane struts, down to the top engine mounts. These served the same
purpose, and did not restrict the entry/egress of the front cockpit. On
mine , built over the last four years , and finally licenced last fall, AND
with only 3 1/2 hours on it, I opted for the diagonal bracing. Also it
takes awile to decide which fuse to build, and why. I did the long fuse
with an extented engine mount , by about 1 3/4" , to counter balance my fat
a**. ( with an A-65)
I can send you pics direct or you can go here.
http://photos.yahoo.com/joepiet
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying again!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford"
<botsford7@hot.rr.com>
>
> I did not get any response concerning the cross bracing wires on the side
of
> the cockpit. When I reviewed my e-mail I noticed that I used the wrong
> terms on it. What I need to know is does the GN-1 use the wire cross
braces
> located between the right hand center section struts on the front and rear
> of the front cockpit? I have reviewed my plans and do not see them
> indicated on them. I have seen them on "B.H." Piet's but, have not seen
> other GN-1's to see if they use them. I hope that somebody can shed some
> light on this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Botsford
> Looking at the snow/sleet, not green grass! I now empathize with the up
> north folks.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Firewall shaping |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
I was out of town for my daughter's wedding and couldn't read my messages.
Thanks to all who gave suggestions. I now have to find out how many of my
friends have a shrinker/stretcher.
Bert, I have his book and will take a look.
Ted
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall shaping
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly"
<bconoly@earthlink.net>
>
> Ted:
> Tony Bingelis' book has a neat way to do it. You do it by drilling a
bunch
> holes in
> one leg of the angle and bending it around. If I can remember (I have CRS
> disease you know)
> I'll copy it and mail to you (oops, copyright infringement) I'll call you
> and tell you about it.
>
> Bert.
>
>
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