---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/25/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: GN-1 Plans (Dick and Marge Gillespie) 2. 01:28 PM - just try not to touch that throttle----a test (Edwin Johnson) 3. 02:50 PM - Trying again! (Jon Botsford) 4. 03:29 PM - Re: Trying again! (Dick and Marge Gillespie) 5. 03:56 PM - Correction!! Correction!!! (Paul Schermerhorn) 6. 04:24 PM - Re: Trying again! (walter evans) 7. 04:27 PM - Re: Correction!! Correction!!! (walter evans) 8. 05:53 PM - Re: Cooling Eyebrows (Richard Navratril) 9. 06:31 PM - Re: Trying again! (Jon Botsford) 10. 07:14 PM - Re: Firewall shaping (Ted Brousseau) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:51 AM PST US From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" As seen in March 03 KITPLANES: R.J. Grega PO Box 391086 Solon, OH 44139 Plans $50.00. DickG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schermerhorn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Paul Schermerhorn > > > I ordered GN-1 plans 12.02.02. Check has been cashed, but no plans yet. > > I did not know of John's passing at the time. > > Still not a big deal! > > Cheers, > > Paul > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:54 PM PST US From: Edwin Johnson Subject: Pietenpol-List: just try not to touch that throttle----a test --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Edwin Johnson Mike, Yes, the sink rate can become, especially at low airspeeds, quite dramatic. But for a _real_ charge, come in higher than you ever thought possible, cut the power, and put it in a nice slip. Wow! Talk about decent rate, yet will round out of the slip quite nicely for the landing. Now here is the case where you could definitely get the plane into a shorter field than you could get it out, I imagine. Anyway lots of fun to try. ...Edwin > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > landings. I choose an altitude and spot to bring the throttle back on > downwind then try not to touch the throttle till after touchdown. Not as > easy as I thought it would be in the Piet. These things are draggy. I > mean draggy. You need to hold the nose down further than any other plane > you have flown before to keep your speed sufficient with the engine at > idle. Compound that with a wind down the runway (which is the way most > of us try to land) and this becomes a game of "would I have clipped the > wires or made the runway ?". I'm amazed at how many times I would have > not made the runway if that burst of power were not available. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj@shreve.net ~ ~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~ ~ ~ ~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~ ~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~ ~ for there you have been, there you long ~ ~ to return." -- da Vinci ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:31 PM PST US From: "Jon Botsford" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying again! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" I did not get any response concerning the cross bracing wires on the side of the cockpit. When I reviewed my e-mail I noticed that I used the wrong terms on it. What I need to know is does the GN-1 use the wire cross braces located between the right hand center section struts on the front and rear of the front cockpit? I have reviewed my plans and do not see them indicated on them. I have seen them on "B.H." Piet's but, have not seen other GN-1's to see if they use them. I hope that somebody can shed some light on this. Thanks, Jon Botsford Looking at the snow/sleet, not green grass! I now empathize with the up north folks. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:42 PM PST US From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trying again! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" I for one omitted these cross wires as the front cabane struts, right and left are braced by diagonals to the top longerons next to the firewall. DickG. (GN-1) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Botsford" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying again! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" > > I did not get any response concerning the cross bracing wires on the side of > the cockpit. When I reviewed my e-mail I noticed that I used the wrong > terms on it. What I need to know is does the GN-1 use the wire cross braces > located between the right hand center section struts on the front and rear > of the front cockpit? I have reviewed my plans and do not see them > indicated on them. I have seen them on "B.H." Piet's but, have not seen > other GN-1's to see if they use them. I hope that somebody can shed some > light on this. > > Thanks, > > Jon Botsford > Looking at the snow/sleet, not green grass! I now empathize with the up > north folks. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:51 PM PST US From: Paul Schermerhorn Subject: Pietenpol-List: Correction!! Correction!!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Paul Schermerhorn I did find my GN-1 plans today! They came not long before Christmas and must have missed them then. Sincere apologies to the Gregas and the list. Again SORRY, Paul --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:21 PM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trying again! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Jon, From what I understand about Piets, is that the earlier piets had the cross bracing on the right to stop the wing from fwd/ back movement during flight. And the newer plans added the angled "struts" from the fwd top of the wings at the cabane struts, down to the top engine mounts. These served the same purpose, and did not restrict the entry/egress of the front cockpit. On mine , built over the last four years , and finally licenced last fall, AND with only 3 1/2 hours on it, I opted for the diagonal bracing. Also it takes awile to decide which fuse to build, and why. I did the long fuse with an extented engine mount , by about 1 3/4" , to counter balance my fat a**. ( with an A-65) I can send you pics direct or you can go here. http://photos.yahoo.com/joepiet walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Botsford" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying again! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" > > I did not get any response concerning the cross bracing wires on the side of > the cockpit. When I reviewed my e-mail I noticed that I used the wrong > terms on it. What I need to know is does the GN-1 use the wire cross braces > located between the right hand center section struts on the front and rear > of the front cockpit? I have reviewed my plans and do not see them > indicated on them. I have seen them on "B.H." Piet's but, have not seen > other GN-1's to see if they use them. I hope that somebody can shed some > light on this. > > Thanks, > > Jon Botsford > Looking at the snow/sleet, not green grass! I now empathize with the up > north folks. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:08 PM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Correction!! Correction!!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Paul, OK, OK, apology accepted, now we want to smell sawdust and glue. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schermerhorn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Correction!! Correction!!! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Paul Schermerhorn > > > I did find my GN-1 plans today! They came not long before Christmas and must have missed them then. Sincere apologies to the Gregas and the list. > > Again SORRY, > > Paul > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:04 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Eyebrows --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" Walt I used copper wire rolled into mine. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Eyebrows > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" > > Does everyone roll welding rod wire in the exposed edges of the eyebrows? > Guess everyone does, but I thought I'd bring it up again, since the thread > started again. also used it in all the openings of the engine cowl. > Makes for a really nice job. > walt evans > NX140DL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cooling Eyebrows > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" > > > > > What is the thinnest 4130 that brackets can be made of that fasten to the > cylinder attach studs, and are they placed between the nuts and the > palnuts? > > > > DickG. in Ft. Myers > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:35 PM PST US From: "Jon Botsford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trying again! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" Walt, Much thanks for the information. I looked at your pictures. VERY IMPRESSIVE. I know how frustrated you are to get it in the air again. I am doing some engine work (Franklin 65) and modifying the front seat for my honey. also installing new seatbelts and shoulder harness for the front seat. I have followed your inputs on the Piet list-serv and always found them to be interesting. again thanks, Jon Botsford Hewitt, Texas (Near Wacky Waco) ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trying again! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Jon, From what I understand about Piets, is that the earlier piets had the cross bracing on the right to stop the wing from fwd/ back movement during flight. And the newer plans added the angled "struts" from the fwd top of the wings at the cabane struts, down to the top engine mounts. These served the same purpose, and did not restrict the entry/egress of the front cockpit. On mine , built over the last four years , and finally licenced last fall, AND with only 3 1/2 hours on it, I opted for the diagonal bracing. Also it takes awile to decide which fuse to build, and why. I did the long fuse with an extented engine mount , by about 1 3/4" , to counter balance my fat a**. ( with an A-65) I can send you pics direct or you can go here. http://photos.yahoo.com/joepiet walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Botsford" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying again! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" > > I did not get any response concerning the cross bracing wires on the side of > the cockpit. When I reviewed my e-mail I noticed that I used the wrong > terms on it. What I need to know is does the GN-1 use the wire cross braces > located between the right hand center section struts on the front and rear > of the front cockpit? I have reviewed my plans and do not see them > indicated on them. I have seen them on "B.H." Piet's but, have not seen > other GN-1's to see if they use them. I hope that somebody can shed some > light on this. > > Thanks, > > Jon Botsford > Looking at the snow/sleet, not green grass! I now empathize with the up > north folks. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:37 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall shaping --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" I was out of town for my daughter's wedding and couldn't read my messages. Thanks to all who gave suggestions. I now have to find out how many of my friends have a shrinker/stretcher. Bert, I have his book and will take a look. Ted Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall shaping > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" > > Ted: > Tony Bingelis' book has a neat way to do it. You do it by drilling a bunch > holes in > one leg of the angle and bending it around. If I can remember (I have CRS > disease you know) > I'll copy it and mail to you (oops, copyright infringement) I'll call you > and tell you about it. > > Bert. > >