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1. 09:26 AM - Float Fittings (Barry Davis)
2. 11:12 AM - data plate (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 11:57 AM - Re: data plate (Christian Bobka)
4. 12:00 PM - Water soluable oil (Christian Bobka)
5. 01:40 PM - Re: data plate (Doug413@aol.com)
6. 02:49 PM - Re: Water soluable oil (Alan Swanson)
7. 03:22 PM - Re: Water soluable oil (Gary Gower)
8. 04:40 PM - Re: data plate (Rcaprd@aol.com)
9. 06:00 PM - Re: Water soluable oil (Graham Hansen)
10. 06:52 PM - Re: is 80 octane gone from the east coast? (George Allen)
11. 09:53 PM - Re: Water soluable oil (Christian Bobka)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Does anyone have any info. on float fittings for a Piet? This is for the steel
tube fuselage.
Thanks
Barry
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Another sad day in Piet-List history... nothing in yesterday's digest for me
to read! So, I'll toss out an idea I'm working on, just to have something
show up on the list.
A fellow named Amato used to offer customized Pietenpol data plates but he's
out of the picture now (at least he was as of the last post on this subject
in 1999). I've picked up the gauntlet and am working with our friend Dennis
Demeter of AvGrafix on making some up, which I will be offering to Pieters
if the price is right. He is pricing them to me in aluminum, brass, and
stainless. He tells me that to be an "official" data plate (to be installed
near the tail per FARs) it has to be "fireproof", thus the stainless steel
version. However, my thought is that most Pieters don't care about that one
as much as one that goes inside the cabin, in which case aluminum would be
fine (the "permanent" data plate being affixed back where nobody will ever
see it ;o) And for my own benefit, I wanted to see about a brass one since
many Piets go for that more traditional look and it would look nice inside
the airplane.
At any rate, when I find out if this is going to work out I'll post an
update here. The hope would be that the plate would be ornate enough that
even folks whose planes are already airworthy and bear a permanent plate,
might want to install a "decorative" plate inside, maybe for the passenger
to 'ooh' and 'ahh' over. I'll also scan and post a photo of what the
proposed plate will look like, if this thing flies.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Oscar,
The data plate does not to be fire proof. The one near the tail needs to
say the aircraft type and the serial number and it can be done in magic
marker. The data plate that you would most likely put in the cockpit area
can be brass, aluminum, or stainless, preferably the etched brass variety
with "relief" to give the old time feeling.
Chris Bobka
Tech counselor
IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: data plate
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Another sad day in Piet-List history... nothing in yesterday's digest for me
to read! So, I'll toss out an idea I'm working on, just to have something
show up on the list.
A fellow named Amato used to offer customized Pietenpol data plates but he's
out of the picture now (at least he was as of the last post on this subject
in 1999). I've picked up the gauntlet and am working with our friend Dennis
Demeter of AvGrafix on making some up, which I will be offering to Pieters
if the price is right. He is pricing them to me in aluminum, brass, and
stainless. He tells me that to be an "official" data plate (to be installed
near the tail per FARs) it has to be "fireproof", thus the stainless steel
version. However, my thought is that most Pieters don't care about that one
as much as one that goes inside the cabin, in which case aluminum would be
fine (the "permanent" data plate being affixed back where nobody will ever
see it ;o) And for my own benefit, I wanted to see about a brass one since
many Piets go for that more traditional look and it would look nice inside
the airplane.
At any rate, when I find out if this is going to work out I'll post an
update here. The hope would be that the plate would be ornate enough that
even folks whose planes are already airworthy and bear a permanent plate,
might want to install a "decorative" plate inside, maybe for the passenger
to 'ooh' and 'ahh' over. I'll also scan and post a photo of what the
proposed plate will look like, if this thing flies.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Water soluable oil |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto parts
store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze. The
glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for the water
pump.
Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without
antifreeze.
Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find at at
about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I used to
be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys.
Chris Bobka
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doug413@aol.com
Guys,
I have a machine for stamping dataplates. Doug Bryant
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Subject: | Water soluable oil |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Swanson" <aswanson@mn.rr.com>
Chris,
I was just down at the Checkers store here in Minnetonka MN. Prestone has
an Anti-Rust that also has a water pump lubricant in it for renewing
antifreeze. Justice Brothers makes a water pump lubricant also with
anti-rust that can be bought at NAPA auto stores. The link to the Justice
site is http://www.justicebrothers.com/radiatoradditives.htm. I would think
that the anti rust component would be especially important in a cast iron
block that was using pure water.
Good luck,
Alan Swanson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian
Bobka
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto parts
store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze. The
glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for the water
pump.
Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without
antifreeze.
Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find at at
about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I used to
be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys.
Chris Bobka
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Subject: | Re: Water soluable oil |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Chris,
If the oil you are talking about gets "milky" with water, here you can
find that oil in the industrial Dpt. of the oil retailers.
Is used in cutting machines (lathes, metal band saw, etc), not in cars.
I always have a 15 gal container for my cutting machinery, Hope I was
near your place, I will give enough to you for free.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Christian Bobka <bobka@charter.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> <bobka@charter.net>
>
> A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto
> parts
> store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze.
> The
> glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for
> the water
> pump.
>
> Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without
> antifreeze.
>
> Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find
> at at
> about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I
> used to
> be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
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>
>
>
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>
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 3/4/03 1:12:50 PM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
<< I'll also scan and post a photo of what the
proposed plate will look like, if this thing flies. >>
Oscar,
Count me in for one, or maybe two. Might even be a good reason to fly down
thru Texas to pick it up !!
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
Wichita KS
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Subject: | Re: Water soluable oil |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Chris,
Check with machine shops to find where they get it. Years ago when I taught
high school shop, we got it from machine tool suppliers. It was used for
cooling and lubrication of cutting tools and I expect it still is.
When refacing engine valves, water soluble oil is used to cool the valve
head and stone. I don't know if much of this reconditioning work is done
anymore in auto repair shops because of high labor costs. They just replace
the valves---or the entire engine! Perhaps this is the reason why you
"struck out" with the automotive suppliers.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen---in cold but sunny Alberta, Canada
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Subject: | Re: is 80 octane gone from the east coast? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "George Allen" <GeorgeA@paonline.com>
We still have 80 octane at 58N. Reigle field (Palmyra Muni.) Just east of
Harrisburg. Not cheap.
George Allen
Harrisburg, PA
GeorgeA@PAonline.com
(Peitenpol builder)
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: is 80 octane gone from the east coast?
> Is 80 oct. around any more at all? Requesting places around NJ, PA , NY.
> thanks.
> Any sites where the fuel available, is listed?
>
> walt
> NX140DL
> (north N.J.)
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Subject: | Water soluable oil |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Thanks guys for the help. I found it at Mills Fleet Farm. Solder Seal brand
antirust and lubricant. I did not even think about the machine tool bit
coolant. I have some downstairs. I just didn't make the connection.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan
Swanson
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Swanson" <aswanson@mn.rr.com>
Chris,
I was just down at the Checkers store here in Minnetonka MN. Prestone has
an Anti-Rust that also has a water pump lubricant in it for renewing
antifreeze. Justice Brothers makes a water pump lubricant also with
anti-rust that can be bought at NAPA auto stores. The link to the Justice
site is http://www.justicebrothers.com/radiatoradditives.htm. I would think
that the anti rust component would be especially important in a cast iron
block that was using pure water.
Good luck,
Alan Swanson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian
Bobka
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto parts
store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze. The
glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for the water
pump.
Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without
antifreeze.
Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find at at
about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I used to
be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys.
Chris Bobka
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