---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/04/03: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:26 AM - Float Fittings (Barry Davis) 2. 11:12 AM - data plate (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 11:57 AM - Re: data plate (Christian Bobka) 4. 12:00 PM - Water soluable oil (Christian Bobka) 5. 01:40 PM - Re: data plate (Doug413@aol.com) 6. 02:49 PM - Re: Water soluable oil (Alan Swanson) 7. 03:22 PM - Re: Water soluable oil (Gary Gower) 8. 04:40 PM - Re: data plate (Rcaprd@aol.com) 9. 06:00 PM - Re: Water soluable oil (Graham Hansen) 10. 06:52 PM - Re: is 80 octane gone from the east coast? (George Allen) 11. 09:53 PM - Re: Water soluable oil (Christian Bobka) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:32 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Float Fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" Does anyone have any info. on float fittings for a Piet? This is for the steel tube fuselage. Thanks Barry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:00 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: data plate --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Another sad day in Piet-List history... nothing in yesterday's digest for me to read! So, I'll toss out an idea I'm working on, just to have something show up on the list. A fellow named Amato used to offer customized Pietenpol data plates but he's out of the picture now (at least he was as of the last post on this subject in 1999). I've picked up the gauntlet and am working with our friend Dennis Demeter of AvGrafix on making some up, which I will be offering to Pieters if the price is right. He is pricing them to me in aluminum, brass, and stainless. He tells me that to be an "official" data plate (to be installed near the tail per FARs) it has to be "fireproof", thus the stainless steel version. However, my thought is that most Pieters don't care about that one as much as one that goes inside the cabin, in which case aluminum would be fine (the "permanent" data plate being affixed back where nobody will ever see it ;o) And for my own benefit, I wanted to see about a brass one since many Piets go for that more traditional look and it would look nice inside the airplane. At any rate, when I find out if this is going to work out I'll post an update here. The hope would be that the plate would be ornate enough that even folks whose planes are already airworthy and bear a permanent plate, might want to install a "decorative" plate inside, maybe for the passenger to 'ooh' and 'ahh' over. I'll also scan and post a photo of what the proposed plate will look like, if this thing flies. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:49 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: data plate --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Oscar, The data plate does not to be fire proof. The one near the tail needs to say the aircraft type and the serial number and it can be done in magic marker. The data plate that you would most likely put in the cockpit area can be brass, aluminum, or stainless, preferably the etched brass variety with "relief" to give the old time feeling. Chris Bobka Tech counselor IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: data plate --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Another sad day in Piet-List history... nothing in yesterday's digest for me to read! So, I'll toss out an idea I'm working on, just to have something show up on the list. A fellow named Amato used to offer customized Pietenpol data plates but he's out of the picture now (at least he was as of the last post on this subject in 1999). I've picked up the gauntlet and am working with our friend Dennis Demeter of AvGrafix on making some up, which I will be offering to Pieters if the price is right. He is pricing them to me in aluminum, brass, and stainless. He tells me that to be an "official" data plate (to be installed near the tail per FARs) it has to be "fireproof", thus the stainless steel version. However, my thought is that most Pieters don't care about that one as much as one that goes inside the cabin, in which case aluminum would be fine (the "permanent" data plate being affixed back where nobody will ever see it ;o) And for my own benefit, I wanted to see about a brass one since many Piets go for that more traditional look and it would look nice inside the airplane. At any rate, when I find out if this is going to work out I'll post an update here. The hope would be that the plate would be ornate enough that even folks whose planes are already airworthy and bear a permanent plate, might want to install a "decorative" plate inside, maybe for the passenger to 'ooh' and 'ahh' over. I'll also scan and post a photo of what the proposed plate will look like, if this thing flies. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:59 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto parts store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze. The glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for the water pump. Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without antifreeze. Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find at at about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I used to be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys. Chris Bobka ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:04 PM PST US From: Doug413@aol.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: data plate --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doug413@aol.com Guys, I have a machine for stamping dataplates. Doug Bryant ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:54 PM PST US From: "Alan Swanson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Swanson" Chris, I was just down at the Checkers store here in Minnetonka MN. Prestone has an Anti-Rust that also has a water pump lubricant in it for renewing antifreeze. Justice Brothers makes a water pump lubricant also with anti-rust that can be bought at NAPA auto stores. The link to the Justice site is http://www.justicebrothers.com/radiatoradditives.htm. I would think that the anti rust component would be especially important in a cast iron block that was using pure water. Good luck, Alan Swanson -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian Bobka Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto parts store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze. The glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for the water pump. Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without antifreeze. Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find at at about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I used to be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys. Chris Bobka _ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:03 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Chris, If the oil you are talking about gets "milky" with water, here you can find that oil in the industrial Dpt. of the oil retailers. Is used in cutting machines (lathes, metal band saw, etc), not in cars. I always have a 15 gal container for my cutting machinery, Hope I was near your place, I will give enough to you for free. Saludos Gary Gower --- Christian Bobka wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto > parts > store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze. > The > glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for > the water > pump. > > Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without > antifreeze. > > Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find > at at > about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I > used to > be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys. > > Chris Bobka > > > > > > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:18 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: data plate --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 3/4/03 1:12:50 PM Central Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: << I'll also scan and post a photo of what the proposed plate will look like, if this thing flies. >> Oscar, Count me in for one, or maybe two. Might even be a good reason to fly down thru Texas to pick it up !! Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Wichita KS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:02 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" Chris, Check with machine shops to find where they get it. Years ago when I taught high school shop, we got it from machine tool suppliers. It was used for cooling and lubrication of cutting tools and I expect it still is. When refacing engine valves, water soluble oil is used to cool the valve head and stone. I don't know if much of this reconditioning work is done anymore in auto repair shops because of high labor costs. They just replace the valves---or the entire engine! Perhaps this is the reason why you "struck out" with the automotive suppliers. Cheers, Graham Hansen---in cold but sunny Alberta, Canada ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:27 PM PST US From: "George Allen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: is 80 octane gone from the east coast? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "George Allen" We still have 80 octane at 58N. Reigle field (Palmyra Muni.) Just east of Harrisburg. Not cheap. George Allen Harrisburg, PA GeorgeA@PAonline.com (Peitenpol builder) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Pietenpol-List: is 80 octane gone from the east coast? > Is 80 oct. around any more at all? Requesting places around NJ, PA , NY. > thanks. > Any sites where the fuel available, is listed? > > walt > NX140DL > (north N.J.) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:39 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Thanks guys for the help. I found it at Mills Fleet Farm. Solder Seal brand antirust and lubricant. I did not even think about the machine tool bit coolant. I have some downstairs. I just didn't make the connection. Chris Bobka -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Swanson Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Swanson" Chris, I was just down at the Checkers store here in Minnetonka MN. Prestone has an Anti-Rust that also has a water pump lubricant in it for renewing antifreeze. Justice Brothers makes a water pump lubricant also with anti-rust that can be bought at NAPA auto stores. The link to the Justice site is http://www.justicebrothers.com/radiatoradditives.htm. I would think that the anti rust component would be especially important in a cast iron block that was using pure water. Good luck, Alan Swanson -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian Bobka Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto parts store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze. The glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for the water pump. Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without antifreeze. Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find at at about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I used to be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys. Chris Bobka _