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Thu 03/06/03


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 12:25 AM - Re: Piet Float fittings. (clif)
     2. 12:41 AM - Re: What ever happened to Richard DeCosta ????????? (clif)
     3. 08:02 AM - A-65 (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     4. 08:43 AM - UV test of Latex Paint (Kirk Huizenga)
     5. 09:08 AM - Re: UV test of Latex Paint (Gary Gower)
     6. 12:28 PM - Re: You've tasted........ (Carl Loar)
     7. 12:29 PM - Re: UV test of Latex Paint (Carl Loar)
     8. 01:07 PM - Dillsburg and Torque Stand (Kirk Huizenga)
     9. 02:56 PM - a question on intercoms (walter evans)
    10. 04:03 PM - Re: UV test of Latex Paint (Kip & Beth Gardner)
    11. 04:06 PM - Re: A-65 (Kip & Beth Gardner)
    12. 04:19 PM - Re: A-65 (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    13. 07:21 PM - Re: a question on intercoms ()
    14. 08:00 PM - Re: a question on intercoms (Ted Brousseau)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:25:23 AM PST US
    From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Piet Float fittings.
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> And make it adjustable the same way the cabane struts are. There are step position ranges similiar to the usable range of wheel positions relative to the center of gravity. You'll probably have to fiddle with it to find the " sweet spot". Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks@webtv.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Float fittings. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > > Barry: I've only seen one Piet on floats. it was in an old ( now defunct > ) Int. Piet. Assn. newsletter, so they must be quite rare. I think it > used an O-235 Lyc. If no one can help you, Wag Aero use to sell a float > fitting kit for the Cub. ( probably still do ) It surely could be > adapted to a tube Piet frame. Leon S. > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:41:09 AM PST US
    From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: What ever happened to Richard DeCosta ?????????
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> I just checked mykitplanes and he has picture files for a Piet and a Gyrobee, all dated 04/18/02. He had quite a bit of work done by that time. Clif do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: What ever happened to Richard DeCosta ????????? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Remember how hot this guy was about building his Piet and the great web > site he had up a few years ago ? Anybody have a clue ? > > Mike C. > >


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    Time: 08:02:32 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: A-65
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, My Lyc 235 deal did not come through as promised soooooooooooooo I am searching for a 65 Continental for REPIET. Runout, overhauled or removed all OK just needs to be a complete engine. Will appreciate your help and I will give a bonus of your flying 41CC anytime, fuel paid. Corky in La


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    Time: 08:43:29 AM PST US
    From: "Kirk Huizenga" <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org>
    Subject: UV test of Latex Paint
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kirk Huizenga" <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org> I finally finished the results and article concerning the test of latex paint's ability to block UV light. It can be found at http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=5 There is a .pdf file there and and excel file with the data. Here is a list of the conclusions from the test Conclusions v Latex paint can sufficiently blocks UV radiation and therefore protect Dacron fabric. v Color does not seem to matter as far as level of absorption ? differences are extremely minor (in the range of thousands of a percent) v This is a matter open for discussion, but the practice of using black paint as the base/sealing coat on fabric to block UV light may not be the best practice. White, in theory, would be a better paint for that. White paint has a high amount of Titanium Dioxide (TiO2), which is highly reflective. Black paint, on the other hand, gets its ?color? from Carbon Black primarily. Black paints have much less reflectivity and more absorption of light. Now, as I mentioned above, color does not seem to matter much in terms of protecting the fabric, but paint that is more reflective should last longer than paint that is more absorbing of light. It is not an issue of black or white being better at protecting the fabric, but rather the longevity and protection of the paint itself from breakdown. v Brand of paint shouldn?t make much difference in terms of UV protection, but could make a difference in durability and longevity of your paint job. There is information on the web about paint quality and there are some links below. I hope this is helpful to other builders - I had a great time doing it And... a special thanks to Gil Leiter for donating some fabric and Robert Haines for donating Poly-fiber 'chemicals' for the test. Kirk


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    Time: 09:08:41 AM PST US
    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: UV test of Latex Paint
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> Hello Kirk, This is a great report, Thank you for the effort. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. --- Kirk Huizenga <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kirk Huizenga" > <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org> > > I finally finished the results and article concerning the test of > latex paint's ability to block UV light. > > It can be found at > > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=5 > > There is a .pdf file there and and excel file with the data. > > Here is a list of the conclusions from the test > > Conclusions > v Latex paint can sufficiently blocks UV radiation and therefore > protect Dacron fabric. > v Color does not seem to matter as far as level of absorption ? > differences are extremely minor (in the range of thousands of a > percent) > v This is a matter open for discussion, but the practice of using > black paint as the base/sealing coat on fabric to block UV light may > not be the best practice. White, in theory, would be a better paint > for that. White paint has a high amount of Titanium Dioxide (TiO2), > which is highly reflective. Black paint, on the other hand, gets its > ?color? from Carbon Black primarily. Black paints have much less > reflectivity and more absorption of light. Now, as I mentioned above, > color does not seem to matter much in terms of protecting the fabric, > but paint that is more reflective should last longer than paint that > is more absorbing of light. It is not an issue of black or white > being better at protecting the fabric, but rather the longevity and > protection of the paint itself from breakdown. > v Brand of paint shouldn?t make much difference in terms of UV > protection, but could make a difference in durability and longevity > of your paint job. There is information on the web about paint > quality and there are some links below. > > > I hope this is helpful to other builders - I had a great time doing > it > > And... a special thanks to Gil Leiter for donating some fabric and > Robert Haines for donating Poly-fiber 'chemicals' for the test. > > Kirk > > > > > > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/


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    Time: 12:28:37 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
    Subject: Re: You've tasted........
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net> I want a taste I want a taste I want a taste,,,,,,, melt snow melt,,,,,,,, I'd like to just taxi the darn thing,,,, I know it's right around the corner but as the two buzzards said while sitting on a branch,,, the heck with waiting, I'm gonna kill something. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: You've tasted........ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Walt----- You stuck it out and even though winter nipped your test flying > in the bud only after > a few hours in the air, you've tasted the fruits of your labor, > dedication, and perseverance, and > investment. Well worth it all, wasn't it ?? (and you ain't seen > nothing yet.) Somewhere I read or heard where only one out of > eight homebuilts ever get finished and flown by the original builder. That > was true of mine. I bought the bare bones fuselage and a set of > tailfeathers----and those had been > passed on twice before me ! John Dilatush knows the feeling, Carl Loar > will find out soon, Jack > Phillips will taste the same joys.....and lots of others on the list that > belong in this e-mail. > > keep plugging guys---it's well worth it......and if you don't know if > you'll like it, get a ride in one first. > > do not archive > > Mike C. > >


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    Time: 12:29:23 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
    Subject: Re: UV test of Latex Paint
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net> Excellent report Kirk,,, I wish now I hadn't used the grey base on the fuse, made for a lot more work and paint. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Huizenga" <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org> Subject: Pietenpol-List: UV test of Latex Paint > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kirk Huizenga" <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org> > > I finally finished the results and article concerning the test of latex paint's ability to block UV light. > > It can be found at > > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=5 > > There is a .pdf file there and and excel file with the data. > > Here is a list of the conclusions from the test > > Conclusions > v Latex paint can sufficiently blocks UV radiation and therefore protect Dacron fabric. > v Color does not seem to matter as far as level of absorption ? differences are extremely minor (in the range of thousands of a percent) > v This is a matter open for discussion, but the practice of using black paint as the base/sealing coat on fabric to block UV light may not be the best practice. White, in theory, would be a better paint for that. White paint has a high amount of Titanium Dioxide (TiO2), which is highly reflective. Black paint, on the other hand, gets its ?color? from Carbon Black primarily. Black paints have much less reflectivity and more absorption of light. Now, as I mentioned above, color does not seem to matter much in terms of protecting the fabric, but paint that is more reflective should last longer than paint that is more absorbing of light. It is not an issue of black or white being better at protecting the fabric, but rather the longevity and protection of the paint itself from breakdown. > v Brand of paint shouldn?t make much difference in terms of UV protection, but could make a difference in durability and longevity of your paint job. There is information on the web about paint quality and there are some links below. > > > I hope this is helpful to other builders - I had a great time doing it > > And... a special thanks to Gil Leiter for donating some fabric and Robert Haines for donating Poly-fiber 'chemicals' for the test. > > Kirk > >


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    Time: 01:07:02 PM PST US
    From: "Kirk Huizenga" <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org>
    Subject: Dillsburg and Torque Stand
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kirk Huizenga" <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org> I was in a .pdf mood today I quess so I also included Dillsburg's price list and an article on buuilding a torque stand at http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=5 Ignore or enjoy Kirk


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    Time: 02:56:14 PM PST US
    From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
    "Fishnet" <Fishnet@topica.com>
    Subject: a question on intercoms
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> I posted a question, and got great answers, on hooking up a handheld radio to headsets, and the ignition noise problem that will be there. But I was thinking,,,if I hook up two headsets thru an intercom to a radio, and the noise is too much of a problem on an unshielded ignition in an A-65,,,will the noise still be present in an intercom set-up? For the type of flying I'm planning, I could live without a radio, but don't want to spend the $$$ on an intercom, if that won't work either. Have one David Clark headset, and prob go for another with their intercom, if it makes a difference. thanks walt NX140DL (north N.J.) was thinking spring till I had to shovel snow today (starting to taper off though) 1755EST


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    Time: 04:03:42 PM PST US
    From: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: UV test of Latex Paint
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> At 11:42 AM -0500 03/06/03, Kirk Huizenga wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kirk Huizenga" ><Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org> > >I finally finished the results and article concerning the test of latex >paint's ability to block UV light. It is not an issue of black or white being better at protecting the fabric, but rather the longevity and protection of the paint itself from breakdown. >v Brand of paint shouldn?t make much difference in terms of UV protection, >but could make a difference in durability and longevity of your paint job. >There is information on the web about paint quality and there are some >links below. Kirk, Thanks for doing this work; it's good to have real facts instead of endless 'I think....' debates. Fun sometimes, but not necessarily helpful. Now, is there any chance you saved those samples? If so, can you stick 'em out in the weather (say, in a nice, sunny spot) for a year & then repeat your tests? I think those results would be interesting, too. Regards, Kip Gardner North Canton, OH


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    Time: 04:06:11 PM PST US
    From: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: A-65
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> At 11:00 AM -0500 03/06/03, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > >Pieters, >My Lyc 235 deal did not come through as promised soooooooooooooo I am >searching for a 65 Continental for REPIET. Runout, overhauled or removed all >OK just needs to be a complete engine. >Will appreciate your help and I will give a bonus of your flying 41CC >anytime, fuel paid. >Corky in La Corky, Forrest Barber (Barber Airport, Alliance, OH) has been in the process of overhauling 3 A-65's for the past year & I think at least one of them might be available. Do you want me to check? Kip Gardner North Canton, OH


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    Time: 04:19:07 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: A-65
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Thanks Kip,Please check Corky


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    Time: 07:21:15 PM PST US
    Subject: a question on intercoms
    From: "" <genet@iwon.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <genet@iwon.com> Walt, You should not have ignition noise problems with a intercom system alone as long as it is properly installed. with all of the inter connecting leads shielded. Ignition noise is RF radio frequency interferance that the com receiver picks up largly because some bright spark years ago decided that Aircraft communications should be AM even though it became VHF in WWII the modulation remained AM and is very prone to broad band rf interferance like ignition noise. Almost all other VHF radio communications systems are FM. Gene Tomblin St. Louis Can a Web portal forever change your life?


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    Time: 08:00:25 PM PST US
    From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
    Subject: Re: a question on intercoms
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net> Walt, We have a Sigtronics portable intercom that was modified so that it works only when a switch is pushed instead of by noise (as is usually the case) because the background noise is always loud enough to trigger the intercom in an open cockpit. We don't have any problem with ignition noise. I will have to look and see if our mags are shielded. I don't think so. I have read about intercoms on ultra lights and other open cockpit planes that claim to work by voice rather than having to push a button. Does anyone have any experience with these? I too am interested in an intercom for the one I am building. Thanks, Ted Naples, FL (where we have turned the AC on - ugh) ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> <Fishnet@topica.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: a question on intercoms > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> > > I posted a question, and got great answers, on hooking up a handheld radio to headsets, and the ignition noise problem that will be there. > But I was thinking,,,if I hook up two headsets thru an intercom to a radio, and the noise is too much of a problem on an unshielded ignition in an A-65,,,will the noise still be present in an intercom set-up? For the type of flying I'm planning, I could live without a radio, but don't want to spend the $$$ on an intercom, if that won't work either. Have one David Clark headset, and prob go for another with their intercom, if it makes a difference. > thanks > walt > NX140DL > (north N.J.) > was thinking spring till I had to shovel snow today (starting to taper off though) 1755EST > >




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