---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/07/03: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - intercom & radios (Michael D Cuy) 2. 07:32 AM - a question on intercoms (Edwin Johnson) 3. 08:00 AM - Re: engine weight (Doyle K. Combs) 4. 11:36 AM - A-65 hunt (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 04:09 PM - Re: A-65 hunt (Kip & Beth Gardner) 6. 04:16 PM - Re: A-65 hunt (Isablcorky@aol.com) 7. 07:55 PM - Re: intercom & radios (James Dallas) 8. 08:02 PM - Re: intercom & radios (Ted Brousseau) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:25 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: intercom & radios --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Walt-- I have some inexpensive Pilot Avionics headsets (look like Clarks) and two tan cloth flying helmets that I got from Flight Suites Limited (they are on the web I think...search w/ google to find them.) and a 9V two-person voice activated Sigtronics intercom box. Ted is right about the noise in an open cockpit being enough to keep the voice activated ones 'open' all the time so a push to talk version might be the way to go. (just more wires in the cockpit though and that can get messy.) I put foam mic protectors to cut down on wind noise and that has helped. I also turn down the volume unless I hear my passenger start to talk or I want to say something to them. It works out ok. Most rides are less than 1/2 hour in my case so it's not bad. Ref the handheld radio and non-shielded ignition systems. Surprisingly after buying a little Icom handheld and an internal fuselage antenna I don't have much of a problem with ignition noise. I mean you can tell that it is there but people on the ground say they can hear me well and after going to the Corsair Reunion in Indianapolis last September I had no problem hearing the tower and other planes on the frequency. One thing that may help is just switching to one mag while doing your radio work....but I've tried that at the suggestion of another pilot and it didn't seem to make a dramatic improvement in lessening the engine buzz. 95% of the flying I do at non-towered airports I don't use a radio anyway. There's quite a bit of people talking over other people on nice days and pilots calling out 20 times before they execute a 10 mile final....totally annoying and counter-productive. If anything in going to a busy fly-in I'll monitor the freq. to maybe hear someone that my eyes may have missed, but othewise.......... Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:35 AM PST US From: Edwin Johnson Subject: Pietenpol-List: a question on intercoms --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Edwin Johnson Walt and others, Many years ago I bought and built several intercoms from RST Engineering (url is www.rst-engr.com and glad to see they are still in business). I used these for years in my plane (one still mounted and used in the Maule) and wired one up for special use in the company's Turbo Commander 840. Although the price has gone up (naturally) this might be a lower cost alternative for you. And I doubt the noise will come through, as others have already stated, since the ignition noise is primarily from the radio receiver. The kits are very well made and if you are handy with a soldering iron they are easy to put together. The squelch is voice activated, the threshold which may be set by a dedicated pot, have one volume control, a pilot switch to cut out passenger's comments if you are trying to talk directly with tower, approach, etc., and even have inputs for tape and aux input devices, such as music, etc. The only drawback is that there is only one volume control, but if you have volume controls on your headsets, this isn't a problem at all. I have just rewired the other one I have to put in Corky's plane and we will try it out. The units run off a 9v battery mounted on a clip on the outside of the box and may or may not be plugged into external radio phone and mic plugs. So we will give you a report after we try it. Wind noise can be a problem, so you might need the foam wind shields around the mics. I simply put a piece of foam (not very pretty) around the small mic on my Telex 5x5Pro and it works reasonably well for use with the handheld radio. ...Edwin > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" > > > I posted a question, and got great answers, on hooking up a handheld > radio to headsets, and the ignition noise problem that will be there. > But I was thinking,,,if I hook up two headsets thru an intercom to a > radio, and the noise is too much of a problem on an unshielded > ignition in an A-65,,,will the noise still be present in an intercom > set-up? For the type of flying I'm planning, I could live without a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj@shreve.net ~ ~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~ ~ ~ ~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~ ~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~ ~ for there you have been, there you long ~ ~ to return." -- da Vinci ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:54 AM PST US From: "Doyle K. Combs" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine weight --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" Fellow peiters...I have a serious question that I need some help on. I purchased a Franklin 100 for my peit. I just weighed it, with mags, starter and everything ready to go. It weighs 260 lbs. I have studied Mr. Peitenpol's Ford version enough to know the engine weighed 244 and the radiator weighed 12 (I assume w/o water). Have any of you weighed your engine before mounting it? I would appreciate any response on this question. thanks Doyle Combs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Thanks guys for the help. I found it at Mills Fleet Farm. Solder Seal brand > antirust and lubricant. I did not even think about the machine tool bit > coolant. I have some downstairs. I just didn't make the connection. > > Chris Bobka > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan > Swanson > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Swanson" > > > Chris, > > I was just down at the Checkers store here in Minnetonka MN. Prestone has > an Anti-Rust that also has a water pump lubricant in it for renewing > antifreeze. Justice Brothers makes a water pump lubricant also with > anti-rust that can be bought at NAPA auto stores. The link to the Justice > site is http://www.justicebrothers.com/radiatoradditives.htm. I would think > that the anti rust component would be especially important in a cast iron > block that was using pure water. > > Good luck, > > Alan Swanson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian > Bobka > To: pietenpol > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water soluable oil > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > A few years ago I was able to find water soluable oil at the auto parts > store. I would use this to supplement my automobile's antifreeze. The > glycol in the antifreeze does not wear out, just the lubricant for the water > pump. > > Some pieters use this lube in their A model piets that run without > antifreeze. > > Does anyone have this stuff available where they live? I can't find at at > about 6 auto parts stores here in MN that I went to this morning. I used to > be able to buy it in the Dallas, Texas area at Pep Boys. > > Chris Bobka > > > _ > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:10 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 hunt --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, Thanks for your assistance in locating an A-65 engine. I'm all set now to go with the rest of the Piet. Corky in La ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:37 PM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 hunt --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner At 2:35 PM -0500 03/07/03, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > >Pieters, >Thanks for your assistance in locating an A-65 engine. I'm all set now to go >with the rest of the Piet. >Corky in La Corky, Did you find one, or should I still check my possibility? Kip North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:41 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 hunt --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Thanks Kip, No, don't check on the one there. I found one locally which had been stored for 30 years. I don't know what I'll find when I tear it down but I got it at such a bargain that I'll have money left to do a good job of overhauling. Corky and Isabelle in La (nawth Loosianna) livin the good life. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:47 PM PST US From: "James Dallas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: intercom & radios --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" Walt, Jim Weir at RST Electronics has a simple intercom system you can make up for pennies from scratch. Jim Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: intercom & radios > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Walt-- I have some inexpensive Pilot Avionics headsets (look like Clarks) > and two tan cloth flying helmets that I got from Flight Suites > Limited (they are on the web I think...search w/ google to find > them.) and a 9V two-person voice activated Sigtronics intercom box. Ted > is right about the noise in an open cockpit being enough to keep the voice > activated ones 'open' all the time so a push to talk version might be the > way to go. (just more wires in the cockpit though and that can get > messy.) I put foam mic protectors to cut down on wind noise and that has > helped. I also turn down the volume unless I hear my passenger start to > talk or I want to say something to them. It works out ok. Most rides are > less than 1/2 hour in my case so it's not bad. > Ref the handheld radio and non-shielded ignition > systems. Surprisingly after buying a little Icom handheld and an > internal fuselage antenna I don't have much of a problem with ignition > noise. I mean you can tell that it is there but people on the ground say > they can hear me well and after going to the Corsair Reunion in > Indianapolis last September I had no problem hearing the tower and other > planes on the frequency. One thing that may help is just switching to one > mag while doing your radio work....but I've tried that at the suggestion of > another pilot and it didn't seem to make a dramatic improvement in > lessening the engine buzz. > 95% of the flying I do at non-towered airports I don't use a radio > anyway. There's quite a bit of people talking over other people on nice > days and pilots calling out 20 times before they execute a 10 mile > final....totally annoying and counter-productive. If anything in going to > a busy fly-in I'll monitor the freq. to maybe hear someone that my eyes may > have missed, but othewise.......... > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:09 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: intercom & radios --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Mike, What kind of internal antenna did you put in? Did it have a ground plane? Where did you put it? ect. ect. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: intercom & radios Surprisingly after buying a little Icom handheld and an internal fuselage antenna I don't have much of a problem with ignition noise. >