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1. 03:54 AM - Building articles (John Dilatush)
2. 09:40 AM - sport pilot (Richard Navratril)
3. 12:43 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Dreams (Graham Hansen)
4. 01:56 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Dreams (del magsam)
5. 02:51 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Dreams (walter evans)
6. 03:21 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Dreams (Kip & Beth Gardner)
7. 04:59 PM - FLIGHT!! (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
8. 05:32 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Dreams (Graham Hansen)
9. 06:08 PM - sport pilot (Richard Navratril)
10. 06:53 PM - Re: FLIGHT!! (walter evans)
11. 07:02 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Dreams (walter evans)
12. 08:45 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Dreams (Ted Brousseau)
13. 11:02 PM - Re: Building articles (Gary McNeel, Jr.)
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| Subject: | Building articles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
Pieters,
To those of you who are still building, you might want to look in on a series of
articles published by AVflash.com on the web about building a Piet. Try:
http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/183301-1.html
John Dilatush NX114D
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I picked up this atttached item from AOPA newsletter.
Dick N
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Dreams |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Corky, DO NOT ARCHIVE
It looks as if your proposed Sport Pilot Category will be saddled with a
specific medical requirement. This is essentially the same thing that
happened to the Recreational Pilot Permit here in Canada a few years back.
The initial concept was very similar to the Sport Pilot proposal, but by the
time the RPP came into being, the medical bureaucrats had changed it to
require a medical doctor to countersign the pilot's declaration of fitness.
The real catch is that the applicant must declare that he/she has never had
any of a comprehensive list of medical problems---which is impossible to do
truthfully as one becomes older---and if one suffers, or has suffered, from
any of these conditions he/she has to go to a Transport Canada medical
examiner (who will undoubtedly require numerous expensive tests, etc.). Yet
the ex-pilot can still hold a driver's licence, buy a fifty foot motorhome,
and head for the highway where the potential danger to the public is
dramatically greater than it could ever be while flying a little ol'
Pietenpol.
In Canada, though, the Pietenpol can qualify as an ultralight and be flown
by a person holding an Ulralight Pilot Permit. Non-pilot passengers are
prohibited, however. The UPP requires a medical self-certification which I
understand doesn't need to be countersigned by a physician, but essentially
the same list of medical conditions as required for the RPP are in place and
one cannot make a false declaration. So the poor UPP applicant also has to
go to a TC medical examiner and jump through a whole bunch of hoops. I know
a person (he held a CFI rating, etc.) who was injured in an automobile
accident, but recovered from head injuries and is able to drive and do just
about anything nowadays. He tried everything to get even a lowly UPP so he
could do some flying, but some of the bureaucrats repeatedly turned him
down because they were primarily concerned with "covering their butts".
There wasn't even consensus among them, yet he still is "grounded".
"Injustice in the name of safety" is what we have, and what you will be
getting. A sad situation indeed.
Graham DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Dreams |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
--- Graham Hansen <grhans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham
> Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
>
> Corky, DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> It looks as if your proposed Sport Pilot Category
> will be saddled with a
> specific medical requirement.
This is not what I read, what I understood when I read
it was that this was for the the recreation pilot
only. not the sport pilot. but maybe I read it wrong
Del
=====
Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Dreams |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Where can we read this thing???
thanks
walt evans
----- Original Message -----
From: "del magsam" <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Dreams
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam
<farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
>
>
> --- Graham Hansen <grhans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham
> > Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
> >
> > Corky, DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > It looks as if your proposed Sport Pilot Category
> > will be saddled with a
> > specific medical requirement.
>
> This is not what I read, what I understood when I read
> it was that this was for the the recreation pilot
> only. not the sport pilot. but maybe I read it wrong
> Del
>
> =====
> Del-New Richmond, Wi
> "farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Dreams |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 5:49 PM -0500 03/15/03, walter evans wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
><wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
>Where can we read this thing???
>thanks
>walt evans
Group,
Here's what I saw. It came out this week in the weekly electronic
newsletter that EAA sends to any member who has subscribed to it.
What it said was that the FAA had turned down the proposal by EAA and AOPA
to waive the medical requirement for the RECREATIONAL PILOT certificate.
EAA & Aopa had proposed this waiver to do a 5-year study of whether or not
there would be any negative impact of not requiring a medical.
I have not seen anything in the press indicating that there will be a
medical requirement for the SPORT PILOT certificate, but I've heard a bunch
of rumors & not just on this list. They started right after the news came
out about the Rec. Pilot thing.
I'd like to know if anyone has actually seen something in print from EAA,
FAA or AOPA regarding a medical for Sport Pilot.
Hoping this is all a misunderstanding,
Kip Gardner (Spring has Finally ARRIVED in NE Ohio)
North Canton, OH
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
The CVG wx today was finally good enough to go Pieting, so I committed aviation
!! The mighty Ford roared to life and angels sang as we rose into the crisp blue
sky. I had forgotten just how magic and wonderful it is to levitate at 45
kias in the Piet. Beats the heck out of my day job where things are just starting
to come alive at 45 kts.
After a careful post flight, all I could find, aside from the oily streaks, was
that one bungee (on the side that got wounded in the hay field last summer) was
weak. Probably a good thing to change those out each year, anyhow. Other than
that, it was simply superb! The winter sleep didn't seem to have made any difference
to my noble sky-steed.
Jeez, enough flowery prose. That's not my normal mode but that's what flying my
Pietenpol does to me. Happens every time as those who tried to talk to me at
Brodhead last year know. I doubt if I was coherent for two days after that much
concentrated Piet flying.
Boy, do I love it!!
Now, let's hear from all you other snowbound and frustrated flyers..............
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Dreams |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Kip, Corky and Group, DO NOT ARCHIVE
Golly! I hope that this is no more than a rumor and that the Sport Pilot
Category will indeed go with the driver's licence requirement only, as
originlly proposed.
Those of us who are getting a bit "long in the tooth" here in Canada are
really hopeful that it will be approved in its original form because this
could influence our bureaucrats to develop something similar to the SP thing
(but we are not going to hold our breath waiting for this to happen, in any
case).
Cheers, DO NOT ARCHIVE
Graham
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Sorry all
I forgot, no attachments on the site. Try www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-1-113xhtml
I'm not sure if you have to be a member to access it. If it doesn't work e-mail
me direct and I'll send it.
Dick
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Lawrence,
sounds great,,,but still in a mire of ice and mud here in NJ.
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FLIGHT!!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
>
> The CVG wx today was finally good enough to go Pieting, so I committed
aviation !! The mighty Ford roared to life and angels sang as we rose into
the crisp blue sky. I had forgotten just how magic and wonderful it is to
levitate at 45 kias in the Piet. Beats the heck out of my day job where
things are just starting to come alive at 45 kts.
>
>
> After a careful post flight, all I could find, aside from the oily
streaks, was that one bungee (on the side that got wounded in the hay field
last summer) was weak. Probably a good thing to change those out each year,
anyhow. Other than that, it was simply superb! The winter sleep didn't seem
to have made any difference to my noble sky-steed.
>
> Jeez, enough flowery prose. That's not my normal mode but that's what
flying my Pietenpol does to me. Happens every time as those who tried to
talk to me at Brodhead last year know. I doubt if I was coherent for two
days after that much concentrated Piet flying.
>
> Boy, do I love it!!
>
> Now, let's hear from all you other snowbound and frustrated
flyers..............
>
> Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Dreams |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Kip,
This has been a breath of fresh air after reading the posts in the last few
days about the sport thing going to crap. Hopefully it was in error by the
posters, and is still on track.
After reading the post I looked high and low for reference to it but
couldn't find anything.
It's so rediculious to think that some 80 year old man/woman could be
comming at you on a two lane road on the Tamiami trail in FLA, and be
passing you at 60+mph, while you are doing 60+ mph. To think what would
happen if they checked out at that moment.......
If a sport pilot checked out, he only goes into the wilderness hurting no
one.
go figure???
walt
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Dreams
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> At 5:49 PM -0500 03/15/03, walter evans wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> ><wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >Where can we read this thing???
> >thanks
> >walt evans
>
> Group,
>
> Here's what I saw. It came out this week in the weekly electronic
> newsletter that EAA sends to any member who has subscribed to it.
>
> What it said was that the FAA had turned down the proposal by EAA and AOPA
> to waive the medical requirement for the RECREATIONAL PILOT certificate.
>
> EAA & Aopa had proposed this waiver to do a 5-year study of whether or not
> there would be any negative impact of not requiring a medical.
>
> I have not seen anything in the press indicating that there will be a
> medical requirement for the SPORT PILOT certificate, but I've heard a
bunch
> of rumors & not just on this list. They started right after the news came
> out about the Rec. Pilot thing.
>
> I'd like to know if anyone has actually seen something in print from EAA,
> FAA or AOPA regarding a medical for Sport Pilot.
>
> Hoping this is all a misunderstanding,
>
> Kip Gardner (Spring has Finally ARRIVED in NE Ohio)
>
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Dreams |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Yes, here is the exact quote from AOPA. It basically says the FAA turned
down the request to exempt RECREATIONAL pilots from the medical because it
wants to evaluate it only for SPORT PILOTS. There still is hope Corky.
Ted
AOPA'S PETITION FOR MEDICAL EXEMPTION IS DENIED
The FAA has denied AOPA's petition to provide an exemption for pilots
exercising recreational pilot privileges from the current medical
certification rules. The FAA told AOPA that it only wants to evaluate
the possibility of sport pilots using valid driver's licenses in lieu
of medicals, and that it has not decided whether sport pilots will be
required to obtain medical certificates. The agency said that it is
premature to consider including recreational pilot operations. See
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-1-113x.html ).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Dreams
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> At 5:49 PM -0500 03/15/03, walter evans wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> ><wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >Where can we read this thing???
> >thanks
> >walt evans
>
> Group,
>
> Here's what I saw. It came out this week in the weekly electronic
> newsletter that EAA sends to any member who has subscribed to it.
>
> What it said was that the FAA had turned down the proposal by EAA and AOPA
> to waive the medical requirement for the RECREATIONAL PILOT certificate.
>
> EAA & Aopa had proposed this waiver to do a 5-year study of whether or not
> there would be any negative impact of not requiring a medical.
>
> I have not seen anything in the press indicating that there will be a
> medical requirement for the SPORT PILOT certificate, but I've heard a
bunch
> of rumors & not just on this list. They started right after the news came
> out about the Rec. Pilot thing.
>
> I'd like to know if anyone has actually seen something in print from EAA,
> FAA or AOPA regarding a medical for Sport Pilot.
>
> Hoping this is all a misunderstanding,
>
> Kip Gardner (Spring has Finally ARRIVED in NE Ohio)
>
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
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| Subject: | Building articles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel@mykitplane.com>
Great article series. -Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
> Dilatush
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:52 AM
> To: Pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building articles
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
>
> Pieters,
>
> To those of you who are still building, you might want to look in
> on a series of articles published by AVflash.com on the web about
> building a Piet. Try:
> http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/183301-1.html
>
> John Dilatush NX114D
>
>
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