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1. 12:44 AM - Re: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or composite (clif)
2. 12:45 AM - antenna (clif)
3. 12:45 AM - antenna (clif)
4. 12:46 AM - antenna (clif)
5. 12:47 AM - antenna (clif)
6. 03:22 AM - LOM engine (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
7. 06:15 AM - ignition switch (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 07:06 AM - Re: ignition switch (rambog@erols.com)
9. 08:46 AM - Re: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or compositeaircraft (Christian Bobka)
10. 08:50 AM - Re: ignition switch (Kip & Beth Gardner)
11. 09:00 AM - After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more (Michael D Cuy)
12. 09:03 AM - Progress on the GN-1 (Michael D Cuy)
13. 10:13 AM - Re: ignition switch (Richard Navratril)
14. 10:30 AM - ELT's (Michael D Cuy)
15. 10:58 AM - antique mag switch (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 11:43 AM - Re: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more (Carl Loar)
17. 12:05 PM - Re: ELT's (rambog@erols.com)
18. 12:10 PM - Re: antique mag switch (rambog@erols.com)
19. 12:29 PM - Re: ELT's (Michael D Cuy)
20. 12:49 PM - Re: ELT's (John Dilatush)
21. 02:12 PM - Re: ELT's (walter evans)
22. 03:32 PM - Re: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more (Dave and Connie)
23. 04:08 PM - Re: ELT's (Isablcorky@aol.com)
24. 08:58 PM - Antique ignition switch (Doc Mosher)
25. 11:39 PM - Re: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or (clif)
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Subject: | Re: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or composite |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci214329,00.html
A ham friend of mine sent me this and a couple of others.
I suggested to him the possibility of using the bottom of
the engine cowl as a ground plane and he thinks it should
work as the antenna only has to be vertical so the g p can
just as easily be on top of the antenna.
I can only paste one per message, the others follow separately.
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or composite
aircraft
> composite aircraft
> > http://www.advancedaircraft.com/FAQs/faqs.htm
> >
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
http://www.ul-pilot.com/~skyraider/srIssues/sfComm/1.html
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
http://www.sportflight.com/kfb/groundplane.htm
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Hello Dan: No one on this sight has posted that they are using the LOM
engine in the couple of years that I have been on it. I've read all of
the news letter back issues and don't recall any one reporting it there
either. But that doesn't mean it's not being done. If you have the $$$
to do it, go for it. Keep us posted. Leon S. Hutch. Ks.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know where to get the "antique style" ignition switches seen in
older planes?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
what do you consider "antique-style"?
Gene
do not archive
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: ignition switch
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know where to get the "antique style" ignition switches seen in
older planes?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Q&A on internal antenna for wood or compositeaircraft |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
You want the antenna as far from the ignition as possible so I would not put
it on the cowling. Likewise, vibration and prop blast would tear it off in
no time. finally, if you use a dipole antenna, you won't need a ground
plane.
Here is how my dad, the US Mechant Marine radio operator in the big one
double you double you eye eye taught me years ago to make a quality, simple
dipole that has but one connection at, aprly named, the connector (hence
really reliable on an iced over ship in the North Atlantic in 1944):
Take a piece of 50 ohm coax with the multistranded core, braided shield, and
a nonfoam (uses a nylon like material instead) insulator between the core
and the shielding. I use RG-58A/U available at Aircraft Spruce and other
places.
From one end of your coax, carefully cut off the black rubber/plastic that
covers the shielding. Do this for about 30 inches or so (might be 20" if
you use a 1/8 wavelength - see below) from one end of your coax. Bunch up
the braided sheilding so that it can slide up the nylon core insulation.
Now, slide the shielding up and over itself so that the sheilding now is
sliding up the wire the other way. In other words, double the shielding
back up upon itself with the remaining black rubber/plastic that covers the
shielding separating the shielding from itself. Pull it up as far as it can
go. If you have a piece of heatshrink tubing, begin sliding it up and over
the nylon with the core inside until it is up and over the braiding that has
turned up and over itself. The length of each pole of the dipole should be
1/4 wavelength or about 21" or so for the middle of the 118-136 Mhz band
that we use so trim the nylon end to 21" and the upturned braid to 21". If
you want, you can make it 1/8 of a wavelength or 10-1/2" for each pole, that
is ok with a miniscule degradation of performance. It will fit in a piet
better that way. Trim the shielding to the 21 or 10-1/2 inch length and
also trim the insulated core end of the wire to the same length. Finish
sliding the heatshrink up and over the upturned braid and heat it til it
shrinks. I use a paint stripping gun. The antenna portion is thus either
42" long or 21" long depending upon whether youa re doing the 1/4 or 1/8
wavelength antenna.
Attach a BNC connector to the other end of the wire. Make sure that there
is no shorting between the sheilding and the core at the BNC connector or it
will ruin your radio.
There you have it. A dipole antenna tuned to the frequency band we use.
Locate this as vertical as you can with some ribstich cord in the fuselage.
I would make the 1/8 wavelength and attach it to the fuselage side diagonal
that starts just aft of the bellcrank bearing after running the wire along
the top longeron. From where the doubled over shelding begins to the other
end of the wire at the end of the nylon covered core, this should be as
straight run as possible as this is your antenna. What the rest of the coax
does, does not matter as long as you obey the radius of bend rule below.
Also the total length of the rest of the coax does not matter but try not to
have any extra. Also, do not pull the ribstich cord too tight as the coax
properties get really screwed up if you crush in the wall of the core
insulation. That is why we don't use foam insulation in airplane coax.
Also keep the radius of bend of the coax to a big number like 6". (Tiewraps
will usually crumble in a few years so that is why I would use ribstich
thread or something of equal longevity.)
Materials needed is maybe 12 feet of coax and the BNC connector and two feet
of 1/2" heatshrink.
You can mess with this off the airplane and see that it works well. I will
try to get some pictures together.
Chris bobka
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or
compositeaircraft
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci214329,00.html
A ham friend of mine sent me this and a couple of others.
I suggested to him the possibility of using the bottom of
the engine cowl as a ground plane and he thinks it should
work as the antenna only has to be vertical so the g p can
just as easily be on top of the antenna.
I can only paste one per message, the others follow separately.
----- Original Message -----
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or composite
aircraft
> composite aircraft
> > http://www.advancedaircraft.com/FAQs/faqs.htm
> >
> >>
>
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Subject: | Re: ignition switch |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 9:14 AM -0500 03/17/03, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Does anyone know where to get the "antique style" ignition switches seen in
>older planes?
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Oscar,
Do you mean the ones that were designed to look like the old 'Dixie' Mag
switch?
If so, they were made by Frank Pavliga - don't know if he still does them
or not. However, I have one that I don't intend to use if you'd like it.
Regards,
Kip Gardner (in uncommonly warm & sunny NE Ohio)
P.S. Guys -
A couple of weeks ago I threw out the idea of hosting William Wynne to do a
"Corvair College" up here during one of the vintage aircraft Fly-Ins at
Barber Field (2D1) this summer (Funks in June, Taylorcrafts in July,
Aeroncas in August, Warbirds in Sept). My intention was to have an event
within reasonable driving distance of the East-Central part of the country
(Indiana/Kentucky east to Pennsylvania/MD).
So far the response has been ZIP, NADA, NOTHING.
So I'm asking one more time (& asking any of you who are on the
CorvairCraft List to cc: to them about this & relay responses back to me).
Is there any interest in such an event?
Kip
North Canton, OH
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Subject: | After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Larry is right. We all needed this past weekend weather for everything
from washing cars windows
to flying again finally ! Got to fly Sat. and Sunday and even changed
the oil in a t-shirt yesterday afternoon.
Holy cow, was it gorgeous finally here in Ohio. I hope all you fellow
Yankees in these parts enjoyed the
break from this hard winter too. And WALT......tell me you are based on
grass, no ? Was it too soft to get out
and go ? I love flying off of grass but since I moved the plane to a
strip that has pavement (and grass) I can see
the advantage of the big jump you can get on flying in the spring. Plus
it is soooooe much easier to clean up the underside
of the wings if you stay out of yuck and mud. The prop just loves to
take the stuff your wheels spin-up and shroud the
fuselage and tailfeathers (and my shoulders and helmet) with it. Nuff
crabbing. Just hope you all got to enjoy the welcomed
warmth.
Mike C.
(do not archive)
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Subject: | Progress on the GN-1 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
DJ---if you really wanna give your swirls an antique look when you are all
finished installing,
etc. brush a coat or two of shellac over the whole thing and in time it
will darken a bit......you can
see what this looks like if you got to the National Air & Space Museum web
site and take a look
at a current photo of Charles Lindbergh's Spirit of St. Louis. Might be
a bit much for a brand new plane though.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: ignition switch |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Oscar
Try www.apalmer@kopower,com orwww.palmeraviation.com If these dont work he
runs alot of ad's in www.Barnstormers.com
He occasionally wil have the 1940's A-7 and A-9 mag switches although they
are a bit expensive. I see them at $150 - $200
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ignition switch
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Does anyone know where to get the "antique style" ignition switches seen
in
> older planes?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys--- When I got my FAA inspection a few years ago he never asked to see
my ELT. I didn't have one
and still don't. Walt, Larry....others John D. who got airworthiness
certificates recently....what was your experience with this ?
Mike C.
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Subject: | antique mag switch |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Pieters; the "antique-style" ignition switch I had in mind is something like
the one shown at
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/182724piet_instrument_panel.jpg and I guess
from the description it is the "Dixie" type. No one making replicas?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Mike,,, Not in Valley City anymore? So where does the Blue Beauty call home
now? Got to have a target for the yellow piet to shoot to this summer ( and
you better believe it by hook or crook).
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Larry is right. We all needed this past weekend weather for everything
> from washing cars windows
> to flying again finally ! Got to fly Sat. and Sunday and even changed
> the oil in a t-shirt yesterday afternoon.
> Holy cow, was it gorgeous finally here in Ohio. I hope all you fellow
> Yankees in these parts enjoyed the
> break from this hard winter too. And WALT......tell me you are based on
> grass, no ? Was it too soft to get out
> and go ? I love flying off of grass but since I moved the plane to a
> strip that has pavement (and grass) I can see
> the advantage of the big jump you can get on flying in the spring. Plus
> it is soooooe much easier to clean up the underside
> of the wings if you stay out of yuck and mud. The prop just loves to
> take the stuff your wheels spin-up and shroud the
> fuselage and tailfeathers (and my shoulders and helmet) with it. Nuff
> crabbing. Just hope you all got to enjoy the welcomed
> warmth.
>
> Mike C.
>
> (do not archive)
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
THAT is what you do. If you got away with it, shush!!!!
Gene
do not archive
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From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys--- When I got my FAA inspection a few years ago he never asked to see
my ELT. I didn't have one
and still don't. Walt, Larry....others John D. who got airworthiness
certificates recently....what was your experience with this ?
Mike C.
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Subject: | antique mag switch |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
The one in the references photo is a Bendix Scintilla mag switch from the
late 30's or early 1940's. The Dixie Switch, like any really old switch,
is made to mount to the front of a wooden panel so doesn't have the four
ears for screws to go through so it can mount behind the panel. As Kip
said, Frank Pavliga makes replicas of the Dixie Switch which are nice and
use the guts from a modern switch. Really old switches are as rarte as
hen's teeth.
Gene
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From: Oscar Zuniga taildrags@hotmail.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: antique mag switch
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Pieters; the "antique-style" ignition switch I had in mind is something
like
the one shown at
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/182724piet_instrument_panel.jpg and I guess
from the description it is the "Dixie" type. No one making replicas?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Gene---Great answer !!!! That's just what I've been doing.......cept to
tell you guys. (do not archive) Thanks !!
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
>SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
>THAT is what you do. If you got away with it, shush!!!!
>Gene
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hi Mike,
No, I wasn't asked for an ELT, although I have one installed. I believe
that if you stay within a 50 mile radius of your home field, one is not
required. Check the FARs
part 92.207(f)(3). They specify "training flight", aren't all flights
training? Also (4) might apply to us.
John D,
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys--- When I got my FAA inspection a few years ago he never asked to see
> my ELT. I didn't have one
> and still don't. Walt, Larry....others John D. who got airworthiness
> certificates recently....what was your experience with this ?
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Mike,
I was lucky enough to have a friend that wasn't using one to loan it to me.
Just had to buy a battery and make a holder. Hard to find a spot for it
though. Finally mounted it under the rear panel, with the antennae slightly
bent held in place with two plastic hose/cable clamps. ELT in the hollow
under the panel on the left with ant. heading to the right.
He did bring up that I did have it so I never got to the challenge of not
needing it till after phase l was complete.
My feeling was that,,,if I will need one anyway, might as well get one now.
People argue that it's mandatory only if you have a passenger in phase ll,
But what if after I have 8 hours something quits and I land in the woods and
break both my legs, or something else where I can't even crawl. Nice to
know that someone will be looking for you.
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys--- When I got my FAA inspection a few years ago he never asked to see
> my ELT. I didn't have one
> and still don't. Walt, Larry....others John D. who got airworthiness
> certificates recently....what was your experience with this ?
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
At 11:59 AM 3/17/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
><Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>Larry is right. We all needed this past weekend weather for everything
>from washing cars windows
>to flying again finally !
I still can't get the hangar doors open! The only hangar that will open at
01G holds a Pitts. He can get out because he only needs to open up part way.
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65 that hasn't moved since Oct 20
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Good thinking Walt. There are many other ways to save money.
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Subject: | Antique ignition switch |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
Oscar -
If you are really into a Barney Rubble look, Radio Shack has acute little knife
switch. A pair of those on the panel would start conversations, I'm sure.
Now that's antique!
The Brits, on the DH Moth, put a pair of little toggle switches on the outside
of the fuselage, left side, which really controlled the mags. The pilot
also had
switches in the cockpit, but the external switches overrode the cockpit
switches. Guess they figured that the guy swinging the prop ought to have
the last word on whether the prop was hot or not.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh
USA do
not archive
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Subject: | Re: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or |
compositeaircraft
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Good points. To bad. It would have been so easy.
Those old guys weren't so dumb,were they?
Of course, now that I'm aproaching that
catagory I'm not so sure....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or
compositeaircraft
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