---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/17/03: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:44 AM - Re: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or composite (clif) 2. 12:45 AM - antenna (clif) 3. 12:45 AM - antenna (clif) 4. 12:46 AM - antenna (clif) 5. 12:47 AM - antenna (clif) 6. 03:22 AM - LOM engine (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 7. 06:15 AM - ignition switch (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 07:06 AM - Re: ignition switch (rambog@erols.com) 9. 08:46 AM - Re: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or compositeaircraft (Christian Bobka) 10. 08:50 AM - Re: ignition switch (Kip & Beth Gardner) 11. 09:00 AM - After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more (Michael D Cuy) 12. 09:03 AM - Progress on the GN-1 (Michael D Cuy) 13. 10:13 AM - Re: ignition switch (Richard Navratril) 14. 10:30 AM - ELT's (Michael D Cuy) 15. 10:58 AM - antique mag switch (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 11:43 AM - Re: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more (Carl Loar) 17. 12:05 PM - Re: ELT's (rambog@erols.com) 18. 12:10 PM - Re: antique mag switch (rambog@erols.com) 19. 12:29 PM - Re: ELT's (Michael D Cuy) 20. 12:49 PM - Re: ELT's (John Dilatush) 21. 02:12 PM - Re: ELT's (walter evans) 22. 03:32 PM - Re: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more (Dave and Connie) 23. 04:08 PM - Re: ELT's (Isablcorky@aol.com) 24. 08:58 PM - Antique ignition switch (Doc Mosher) 25. 11:39 PM - Re: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or (clif) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:09 AM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or composite aircraft --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci214329,00.html A ham friend of mine sent me this and a couple of others. I suggested to him the possibility of using the bottom of the engine cowl as a ground plane and he thinks it should work as the antenna only has to be vertical so the g p can just as easily be on top of the antenna. I can only paste one per message, the others follow separately. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or composite aircraft > composite aircraft > > http://www.advancedaircraft.com/FAQs/faqs.htm > > > >> > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:44 AM PST US From: clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif http://www.ul-pilot.com/~skyraider/srIssues/sfComm/1.html ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:49 AM PST US From: clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif http://www.sportflight.com/kfb/groundplane.htm ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:19 AM PST US From: clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif http://www.danford.net/comms.htm ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:00 AM PST US From: clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif http://www.ul-pilot.com/~skyraider/srIssues/sfComm/1.html ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:46 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: LOM engine --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Hello Dan: No one on this sight has posted that they are using the LOM engine in the couple of years that I have been on it. I've read all of the news letter back issues and don't recall any one reporting it there either. But that doesn't mean it's not being done. If you have the $$$ to do it, go for it. Keep us posted. Leon S. Hutch. Ks. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:05 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ignition switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Does anyone know where to get the "antique style" ignition switches seen in older planes? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:21 AM PST US From: "rambog@erols.com" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ignition switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" what do you consider "antique-style"? Gene do not archive Original Message: ----------------- From: Oscar Zuniga taildrags@hotmail.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: ignition switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Does anyone know where to get the "antique style" ignition switches seen in older planes? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:56 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or compositeaircraft --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" You want the antenna as far from the ignition as possible so I would not put it on the cowling. Likewise, vibration and prop blast would tear it off in no time. finally, if you use a dipole antenna, you won't need a ground plane. Here is how my dad, the US Mechant Marine radio operator in the big one double you double you eye eye taught me years ago to make a quality, simple dipole that has but one connection at, aprly named, the connector (hence really reliable on an iced over ship in the North Atlantic in 1944): Take a piece of 50 ohm coax with the multistranded core, braided shield, and a nonfoam (uses a nylon like material instead) insulator between the core and the shielding. I use RG-58A/U available at Aircraft Spruce and other places. From one end of your coax, carefully cut off the black rubber/plastic that covers the shielding. Do this for about 30 inches or so (might be 20" if you use a 1/8 wavelength - see below) from one end of your coax. Bunch up the braided sheilding so that it can slide up the nylon core insulation. Now, slide the shielding up and over itself so that the sheilding now is sliding up the wire the other way. In other words, double the shielding back up upon itself with the remaining black rubber/plastic that covers the shielding separating the shielding from itself. Pull it up as far as it can go. If you have a piece of heatshrink tubing, begin sliding it up and over the nylon with the core inside until it is up and over the braiding that has turned up and over itself. The length of each pole of the dipole should be 1/4 wavelength or about 21" or so for the middle of the 118-136 Mhz band that we use so trim the nylon end to 21" and the upturned braid to 21". If you want, you can make it 1/8 of a wavelength or 10-1/2" for each pole, that is ok with a miniscule degradation of performance. It will fit in a piet better that way. Trim the shielding to the 21 or 10-1/2 inch length and also trim the insulated core end of the wire to the same length. Finish sliding the heatshrink up and over the upturned braid and heat it til it shrinks. I use a paint stripping gun. The antenna portion is thus either 42" long or 21" long depending upon whether youa re doing the 1/4 or 1/8 wavelength antenna. Attach a BNC connector to the other end of the wire. Make sure that there is no shorting between the sheilding and the core at the BNC connector or it will ruin your radio. There you have it. A dipole antenna tuned to the frequency band we use. Locate this as vertical as you can with some ribstich cord in the fuselage. I would make the 1/8 wavelength and attach it to the fuselage side diagonal that starts just aft of the bellcrank bearing after running the wire along the top longeron. From where the doubled over shelding begins to the other end of the wire at the end of the nylon covered core, this should be as straight run as possible as this is your antenna. What the rest of the coax does, does not matter as long as you obey the radius of bend rule below. Also the total length of the rest of the coax does not matter but try not to have any extra. Also, do not pull the ribstich cord too tight as the coax properties get really screwed up if you crush in the wall of the core insulation. That is why we don't use foam insulation in airplane coax. Also keep the radius of bend of the coax to a big number like 6". (Tiewraps will usually crumble in a few years so that is why I would use ribstich thread or something of equal longevity.) Materials needed is maybe 12 feet of coax and the BNC connector and two feet of 1/2" heatshrink. You can mess with this off the airplane and see that it works well. I will try to get some pictures together. Chris bobka -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or compositeaircraft --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci214329,00.html A ham friend of mine sent me this and a couple of others. I suggested to him the possibility of using the bottom of the engine cowl as a ground plane and he thinks it should work as the antenna only has to be vertical so the g p can just as easily be on top of the antenna. I can only paste one per message, the others follow separately. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or composite aircraft > composite aircraft > > http://www.advancedaircraft.com/FAQs/faqs.htm > > > >> > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:10 AM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ignition switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner At 9:14 AM -0500 03/17/03, Oscar Zuniga wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > >Does anyone know where to get the "antique style" ignition switches seen in >older planes? > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Oscar, Do you mean the ones that were designed to look like the old 'Dixie' Mag switch? If so, they were made by Frank Pavliga - don't know if he still does them or not. However, I have one that I don't intend to use if you'd like it. Regards, Kip Gardner (in uncommonly warm & sunny NE Ohio) P.S. Guys - A couple of weeks ago I threw out the idea of hosting William Wynne to do a "Corvair College" up here during one of the vintage aircraft Fly-Ins at Barber Field (2D1) this summer (Funks in June, Taylorcrafts in July, Aeroncas in August, Warbirds in Sept). My intention was to have an event within reasonable driving distance of the East-Central part of the country (Indiana/Kentucky east to Pennsylvania/MD). So far the response has been ZIP, NADA, NOTHING. So I'm asking one more time (& asking any of you who are on the CorvairCraft List to cc: to them about this & relay responses back to me). Is there any interest in such an event? Kip North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:20 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Larry is right. We all needed this past weekend weather for everything from washing cars windows to flying again finally ! Got to fly Sat. and Sunday and even changed the oil in a t-shirt yesterday afternoon. Holy cow, was it gorgeous finally here in Ohio. I hope all you fellow Yankees in these parts enjoyed the break from this hard winter too. And WALT......tell me you are based on grass, no ? Was it too soft to get out and go ? I love flying off of grass but since I moved the plane to a strip that has pavement (and grass) I can see the advantage of the big jump you can get on flying in the spring. Plus it is soooooe much easier to clean up the underside of the wings if you stay out of yuck and mud. The prop just loves to take the stuff your wheels spin-up and shroud the fuselage and tailfeathers (and my shoulders and helmet) with it. Nuff crabbing. Just hope you all got to enjoy the welcomed warmth. Mike C. (do not archive) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:00 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress on the GN-1 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy DJ---if you really wanna give your swirls an antique look when you are all finished installing, etc. brush a coat or two of shellac over the whole thing and in time it will darken a bit......you can see what this looks like if you got to the National Air & Space Museum web site and take a look at a current photo of Charles Lindbergh's Spirit of St. Louis. Might be a bit much for a brand new plane though. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:03 AM PST US From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ignition switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" Oscar Try www.apalmer@kopower,com orwww.palmeraviation.com If these dont work he runs alot of ad's in www.Barnstormers.com He occasionally wil have the 1940's A-7 and A-9 mag switches although they are a bit expensive. I see them at $150 - $200 Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ignition switch > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Does anyone know where to get the "antique style" ignition switches seen in > older planes? > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:27 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Guys--- When I got my FAA inspection a few years ago he never asked to see my ELT. I didn't have one and still don't. Walt, Larry....others John D. who got airworthiness certificates recently....what was your experience with this ? Mike C. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:42 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: antique mag switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Pieters; the "antique-style" ignition switch I had in mind is something like the one shown at http://www.avweb.com/newspics/182724piet_instrument_panel.jpg and I guess from the description it is the "Dixie" type. No one making replicas? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:21 AM PST US From: "Carl Loar" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" Mike,,, Not in Valley City anymore? So where does the Blue Beauty call home now? Got to have a target for the yellow piet to shoot to this summer ( and you better believe it by hook or crook). Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Larry is right. We all needed this past weekend weather for everything > from washing cars windows > to flying again finally ! Got to fly Sat. and Sunday and even changed > the oil in a t-shirt yesterday afternoon. > Holy cow, was it gorgeous finally here in Ohio. I hope all you fellow > Yankees in these parts enjoyed the > break from this hard winter too. And WALT......tell me you are based on > grass, no ? Was it too soft to get out > and go ? I love flying off of grass but since I moved the plane to a > strip that has pavement (and grass) I can see > the advantage of the big jump you can get on flying in the spring. Plus > it is soooooe much easier to clean up the underside > of the wings if you stay out of yuck and mud. The prop just loves to > take the stuff your wheels spin-up and shroud the > fuselage and tailfeathers (and my shoulders and helmet) with it. Nuff > crabbing. Just hope you all got to enjoy the welcomed > warmth. > > Mike C. > > (do not archive) > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:41 PM PST US From: "rambog@erols.com" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! THAT is what you do. If you got away with it, shush!!!! Gene do not archive Original Message: ----------------- From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Guys--- When I got my FAA inspection a few years ago he never asked to see my ELT. I didn't have one and still don't. Walt, Larry....others John D. who got airworthiness certificates recently....what was your experience with this ? Mike C. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:49 PM PST US From: "rambog@erols.com" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: antique mag switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" The one in the references photo is a Bendix Scintilla mag switch from the late 30's or early 1940's. The Dixie Switch, like any really old switch, is made to mount to the front of a wooden panel so doesn't have the four ears for screws to go through so it can mount behind the panel. As Kip said, Frank Pavliga makes replicas of the Dixie Switch which are nice and use the guts from a modern switch. Really old switches are as rarte as hen's teeth. Gene Original Message: ----------------- From: Oscar Zuniga taildrags@hotmail.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: antique mag switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Pieters; the "antique-style" ignition switch I had in mind is something like the one shown at http://www.avweb.com/newspics/182724piet_instrument_panel.jpg and I guess from the description it is the "Dixie" type. No one making replicas? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:25 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Gene---Great answer !!!! That's just what I've been doing.......cept to tell you guys. (do not archive) Thanks !! >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" >SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! >THAT is what you do. If you got away with it, shush!!!! >Gene ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:05 PM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi Mike, No, I wasn't asked for an ELT, although I have one installed. I believe that if you stay within a 50 mile radius of your home field, one is not required. Check the FARs part 92.207(f)(3). They specify "training flight", aren't all flights training? Also (4) might apply to us. John D, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Guys--- When I got my FAA inspection a few years ago he never asked to see > my ELT. I didn't have one > and still don't. Walt, Larry....others John D. who got airworthiness > certificates recently....what was your experience with this ? > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:51 PM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Mike, I was lucky enough to have a friend that wasn't using one to loan it to me. Just had to buy a battery and make a holder. Hard to find a spot for it though. Finally mounted it under the rear panel, with the antennae slightly bent held in place with two plastic hose/cable clamps. ELT in the hollow under the panel on the left with ant. heading to the right. He did bring up that I did have it so I never got to the challenge of not needing it till after phase l was complete. My feeling was that,,,if I will need one anyway, might as well get one now. People argue that it's mandatory only if you have a passenger in phase ll, But what if after I have 8 hours something quits and I land in the woods and break both my legs, or something else where I can't even crawl. Nice to know that someone will be looking for you. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Guys--- When I got my FAA inspection a few years ago he never asked to see > my ELT. I didn't have one > and still don't. Walt, Larry....others John D. who got airworthiness > certificates recently....what was your experience with this ? > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:26 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: After 4 Mos.-- grounded no more --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie At 11:59 AM 3/17/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > >Larry is right. We all needed this past weekend weather for everything >from washing cars windows >to flying again finally ! I still can't get the hangar doors open! The only hangar that will open at 01G holds a Pitts. He can get out because he only needs to open up part way. Dave N36078 '41 BC-12-65 that hasn't moved since Oct 20 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:38 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Good thinking Walt. There are many other ways to save money. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:27 PM PST US From: Doc Mosher Subject: Pietenpol-List: Antique ignition switch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher Oscar - If you are really into a Barney Rubble look, Radio Shack has acute little knife switch. A pair of those on the panel would start conversations, I'm sure. Now that's antique! The Brits, on the DH Moth, put a pair of little toggle switches on the outside of the fuselage, left side, which really controlled the mags. The pilot also had switches in the cockpit, but the external switches overrode the cockpit switches. Guess they figured that the guy swinging the prop ought to have the last word on whether the prop was hot or not. Doc Mosher Oshkosh USA do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:28 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or compositeaircraft --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif Good points. To bad. It would have been so easy. Those old guys weren't so dumb,were they? Of course, now that I'm aproaching that catagory I'm not so sure.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Q&A on internal antenna for wood or compositeaircraft