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1. 10:51 AM - Pietenpol project on eBay (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 11:27 AM - Center section cut-out (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
3. 11:31 AM - Re: Pietenpol project on eBay (John_Duprey@vmed.org)
4. 11:44 AM - Re: Pietenpol project on eBay (Ken Rickards)
5. 01:16 PM - Re: Pietenpol project on eBay (Hubbard, Eugene)
6. 05:24 PM - Re: A Book (Wizzard187@aol.com)
7. 06:37 PM - Re: A Book (Richard Navratril)
8. 07:15 PM - updated pics and log entry (DJ Vegh)
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Subject: | Pietenpol project on eBay |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Well, I was high bidder for about 12 hours, overnight. Now it's gone over
my bid limit. Oh, well ;o)
If anyone on the list is bidding on this one (and it looks like a nice
project), note the placard in the front cockpit, "passengers prohibited".
To me, this indicates that the bird needs to go on a diet since it
apparently goes over gross with two aboard. The dual instruments add plenty
of weight, as does the electrical system with lights and all, and there are
a few other things there that look a bit heavy. But again- "it coulda been
a contender".
Oscar Zuniga (do not archive)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Center section cut-out |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
Just a quick post to pass along some actual info from carefully researched flight
data.
Mr. Pietenpol said that center-section cut-outs would affect climb performance.
In my Piet I have a "flop" from F&G and up until yesterday it had been unsecured
ie. free to "float" while in flight. I noticed that, while flying, I could
reach up and pull it down with one finger and that would result in a noticeable
nose-up tendency. Yesterday I put a catch on it so it would stay down (aligned
with the rest of the wing T.E.) and it occurred to me that not only did the
Piet climb better, but I didn't have to use nearly as much aft stick in straight
and level flight.
Based on that highly controlled and carefully conducted experiment, my conclusion
is that Bernie was right AGAIN!! If you have a center-section cut-out or an
unsecured flop, you are sacrificing lift/climb performance.
All this might not be such a big deal to you who are using the "big iron" but for
us in the model "A" brotherhood, every little bit helps.
Larry
ps. the flop only trailed up about 1/2" prior to installing the latch on it.
pps. I just got my wheels back from Buchanan's. I might have to re-do my W&B!!!!!!
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol project on eBay |
03/25/2003 02:31:48 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org
Oscar: I noticed that also, that bird needs to go on a diet.... But with a
but with a good weight watchers program she could be a nice aircraft for
someone... Question, if passangers are prohibited what did the builder need
a second set of instruments for???
"Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>@matronics.com on 03/25/2003 01:50:02
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project on eBay
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Well, I was high bidder for about 12 hours, overnight. Now it's gone over
my bid limit. Oh, well ;o)
If anyone on the list is bidding on this one (and it looks like a nice
project), note the placard in the front cockpit, "passengers prohibited".
To me, this indicates that the bird needs to go on a diet since it
apparently goes over gross with two aboard. The dual instruments add
plenty
of weight, as does the electrical system with lights and all, and there are
a few other things there that look a bit heavy. But again- "it coulda been
a contender".
Oscar Zuniga (do not archive)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Pietenpol project on eBay |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
I did a quick check of the registration on this aircraft, C-FGED, on the
Transport Canada database. It was registered in 1971 by George Dukes of
Vancouver B.C. and according to the official paperwork it has a gross weight
limit of 1078lbs. Guessing an empty weight of around 740, with all the toys
he had on it, and by time you add 12 gallons of gas(72lbs), you have 266lbs
to play with. One average pilot of 170 pounds and you have around 96lbs for
the front seat. I'm guessing the empty weight my be a little more than
740lbs.
Ken
GN1 2992
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project on eBay
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Well, I was high bidder for about 12 hours, overnight. Now it's gone over
my bid limit. Oh, well ;o)
If anyone on the list is bidding on this one (and it looks like a nice
project), note the placard in the front cockpit, "passengers prohibited".
To me, this indicates that the bird needs to go on a diet since it
apparently goes over gross with two aboard. The dual instruments add plenty
of weight, as does the electrical system with lights and all, and there are
a few other things there that look a bit heavy. But again- "it coulda been
a contender".
Oscar Zuniga (do not archive)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Pietenpol project on eBay |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
It's actually a pretty odd collection of instruments in the front cockpit.
As if they're the ones that didn't fit in back. I'm also wondering about
the rear cockpit placard saying "...without a certificate of airworthiness"
Maybe it's (and the passenger prohibition placard) are a Canadian
requirement during the test phase.
Gene
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com
Pieters, I know it is not the time of the year to be reading books but I
just finished reading, "No Parachute" by Arthur Gould Lee. If one reads his
letters and diary of flying Southwith Pups and Camels at 20,000 feet in
combact against the Red Baron it will make flying your Piet much easier.
It is a great book and gives his daily experiences of 1916 and 17. Also
trys to explain why paarchutes were not used.
Ken Conrad in springtime Iowa
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Another very good one is "Wind sand and Stars". Early pilots carrying mail
across Europe to North Africa.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <Wizzard187@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Book
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com
>
> Pieters, I know it is not the time of the year to be reading books but
I
> just finished reading, "No Parachute" by Arthur Gould Lee. If one reads
his
> letters and diary of flying Southwith Pups and Camels at 20,000 feet in
> combact against the Red Baron it will make flying your Piet much easier.
> It is a great book and gives his daily experiences of 1916 and 17.
Also
> trys to explain why paarchutes were not used.
> Ken Conrad in springtime Iowa
>
>
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Subject: | updated pics and log entry |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I just put up the 2 most recent entires into my construction log. Pics of
the fuse combing and brakes are now up.
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/GN1-log-003.htm
DJ Vegh
N74DV
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
Mesa, AZ
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