Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 03/31/03


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 08:19 AM - GN1 Cabane struts (Jim Cooper)
     2. 08:29 AM - Meiggs Field (DJ Vegh)
     3. 08:53 AM - Re: cabane bolt edge clearance (Hubbard, Eugene)
     4. 09:11 AM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (DJ Vegh)
     5. 10:48 AM - Re: Meiggs Field (Cy Galley)
     6. 11:27 AM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken)
     7. 12:18 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken)
     8. 01:34 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Hubbard, Eugene)
     9. 02:48 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Christian Bobka)
    10. 03:12 PM - Re: Meiggs Field - email to the Mayor (DJ Vegh)
    11. 06:44 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken)
    12. 06:44 PM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (BFD)
    13. 07:09 PM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (Alex Sloan)
    14. 07:34 PM - my piet models page (John Carmen)
    15. 07:53 PM - Piet Question (Lynn & Doris Knoll)
    16. 11:41 PM - Help (Isablcorky@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:19:08 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: GN1 Cabane struts
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net> Pieters & GN1ers: My partner, Tom Schildt & I are working on an incomplete GN1 project in beautiful South Louisiana (Corkey's back yard) which we purchased two years ago. I saw on page 92 of the March, 2003 issue of Sport Aviation a picture of a Piet built by a man named Mel (Skip) Marquette, Bristol, Tennessee in which he "increased the center section 8 inches a la an Alexander Eagle Rock. --- to reduce the turbulence between the lower wing and the fuselage. Plus, it --- makes it a lot easier to get in and out of --- ." It looks like he raised the entire wing 8 inches, and it certainly looks easier to get in and out of (very important for a 76 year old). Does anyone have any comments on this modification? I'd sure like to get hold of Mel Marquette, but so far have been unsuccessful through EAA. Also, does anyone know what an Alexander Eagle Rock is? Thank you, Jim Cooper


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    Time: 08:29:11 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Meiggs Field
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... Sad Day for GA.... http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ http://www.eaa.org I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA or FAA. The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. DJ = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 08:53:14 AM PST US
    From: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
    Subject: cabane bolt edge clearance
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com> DJ, I'm a bit late on the cabane discussion, but I have a couple of comments that nobody's mentioned yet. 1) Work out the stresses on the cabane struts. If it's anything like the Piet, you'll find out there isn't much. What there is is mainly compression down the spar. The reason for this is that the lift struts are mounted much closer to the center of the wing than in most high-wing planes. 2) I personally wouldn't do anything close tolerance at that point. Pietenpol has a note on his plans (Hoopman 1934) to the effect that the cabanes should rattle. The reason is that there's a lot of bending moment at the joints, and it could (will?) fatigue. If the joints are loose and the wires take up the bending moment, nothing bad happens. This is not professional advice--it comes from high school physics books. But the numbers are interesting. Gene -----Original Message----- From: DJ Vegh [mailto:aircamper@imagedv.com] Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane bolt edge clearance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Keep in mind I am building a GN-1 which has a different method of attaching cabanes to wing center section. I'm having a bit of dilemma. I am using Skytec extruded aluminum streamlined struts for cabanes and lift struts. The struts are hollow cored with flats on the insides to allow a 3-6" piece of 3/4" x 3/4" solid aluminum bar to be slipped in which allows you to terminate the ends by having an inch or so of that bar stick out past the strut. You then bolt the strut to the structure with that piece of bar. Problem is, a 3/4" x3/4" solid aluminum bar only allows me an AN3 bolt because of edge clearance issues. As I recall, the rule is 2D from center to edge (where D is diameter of hole). 2D of an AN3 is 3/8" which allows proper clearance, but I feel I really need an AN4 to attach the tops of the cabanes to the wing spar center section fittings. Here's what I can do: 1. Drill out to 1/4" for an AN4 anyway and disregard the edge clearance recommendations. 2. Taper a 1x1" bar to 3/4 x 3/4 and use an AN4 in the 1" portion (this method may look wierd) 3. Use AN3's to bolt the tops of the cabanes to the wing spar fittings. (will 4 AN3's do the job of holding the wing center section in place?) 4. use 3/4" x 3/4" .080 wall 4130 steel instead of solid aluminum bar and drill for AN4's 5. use 3/4 x 3/4" solid steel bar instead of aluminum and drill for AN4's (a heavy solution) No. 4 & 5 makes me wonder if edge clearance guidelines are different for steel than aluminum...... are they?? I need advice! DJ Vegh www.imagedv.com/aircamper Mesa, AZ N74DV This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 09:11:28 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: GN1 Cabane struts
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> I raised mine 2". I too heard about the 8" lift. To me it seems excessive. I'm not sure how that will affect flight. Seems like power increases will caus e a drastic nose up tendancy.... but maybe not. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Cooper To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN1 Cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net> Pieters & GN1ers: My partner, Tom Schildt & I are working on an incomplete GN1 project in beautiful South Louisiana (Corkey's back yard) which we purchased two years ago. I saw on page 92 of the March, 2003 issue of Sport Aviation a picture of a Piet built by a man named Mel (Skip) Marquette, Bristol, Tennessee in which he "increased the center section 8 inches a la an Alexander Eagle Rock. --- to reduce the turbulence between the lower wing and the fuselage. Plus, it --- makes it a lot easier to get in and out of --- ." It looks like he raised the entire wing 8 inches, and it certainly looks easier to get in and out of (very important for a 76 year old). Does anyone have any comments on this modification? I'd sure like to get hold of Mel Marquette, but so far have been unsuccessful through EAA. Also, does anyone know what an Alexander Eagle Rock is? Thank you, Jim Cooper = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 10:48:29 AM PST US
    From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
    Subject: Re: Meiggs Field
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Terrorists??? Naw, just dopey daley! Some lawyer is going to make a killing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... > > Sad Day for GA.... > > http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ > http://www.eaa.org > > I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA or FAA. > > The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. > > DJ > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > >


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    Time: 11:27:39 AM PST US
    From: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
    Subject: Meiggs Field
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net> Is this the start of a police state. Ken av8or@citizen.infi.net kring@mountainviewdogs.com kring@irisweb.net www.irisweb.net www.mountainviewdogs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Terrorists??? Naw, just dopey daley! Some lawyer is going to make a killing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... > > Sad Day for GA.... > > http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ > http://www.eaa.org > > I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA or FAA. > > The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. > > DJ > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > >


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    Time: 12:18:52 PM PST US
    From: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
    Subject: Meiggs Field
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net> If you go to the site and scan down the page there is a poll on the closing. http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ Please take it. Ken av8or@citizen.infi.net kring@mountainviewdogs.com kring@irisweb.net www.irisweb.net www.mountainviewdogs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Terrorists??? Naw, just dopey daley! Some lawyer is going to make a killing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... > > Sad Day for GA.... > > http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ > http://www.eaa.org > > I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA or FAA. > > The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. > > DJ > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > >


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    Time: 01:34:24 PM PST US
    From: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
    Subject: Meiggs Field
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com> Chicago always was a police state. -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:av8or@citizen.infi.net] Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net> Is this the start of a police state. Ken av8or@citizen.infi.net kring@mountainviewdogs.com kring@irisweb.net www.irisweb.net www.mountainviewdogs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> Terrorists??? Naw, just dopey daley! Some lawyer is going to make a killing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... > > Sad Day for GA.... > > http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ > http://www.eaa.org > > I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA or FAA. > > The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. > > DJ > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > >


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    Time: 02:48:02 PM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Meiggs Field
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net> I would call Asshole Daley's cowardly action an act of terrorism. Chris Bobka -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... Sad Day for GA.... http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ http://www.eaa.org I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA or FAA. The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. DJ = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 03:12:21 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: Meiggs Field - email to the Mayor
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> go here and scroll to the bottom to email the mayors office... tell him what you really feel... and feel free to tell your pilot friends to do the same. http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/MayorsResponse.html DJ Vegh N74DV www.raptoronline.com Mesa, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net> > > I would call Asshole Daley's cowardly action an act of terrorism. > > Chris Bobka > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? > Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... > > Sad Day for GA.... > > http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ > http://www.eaa.org > > I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, > EAA or FAA. > > The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. > > DJ > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by > Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more > information on an anti-virus email solution, visit > <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 06:44:41 PM PST US
    From: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
    Subject: Meiggs Field
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net> I would suspect that there is some Federal Law that could be used to get him if someone in the FAA wanted to force it. I seem to remember that their are signs at airports stating that it is against the law to interfere with the safe operations of aircraft. Well there are now 16 that probably cannot operate safely. Ken av8or@citizen.infi.net kring@mountainviewdogs.com kring@irisweb.net www.irisweb.net www.mountainviewdogs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian Bobka Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net> I would call Asshole Daley's cowardly action an act of terrorism. Chris Bobka -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... Sad Day for GA.... http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ http://www.eaa.org I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA or FAA. The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. DJ = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 06:44:46 PM PST US
    From: "BFD" <mrclean@arkansas.net>
    Subject: Re: GN1 Cabane struts
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "BFD" <mrclean@arkansas.net> > It is an antique biplane.There was one on the cover of sa in the fall in the early 70's. I think 71 or 72. Was flown to oshkosh from texas and won big.. Bill . Also, does anyone know what an Alexander Eagle Rock is? Thank you, Jim Cooper > >


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    Time: 07:09:42 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: GN1 Cabane struts
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Jim Cooper, You can type in Alexander Eaglerock on your search engine and it should take you to the web site showing these old airplanes. There were several versions of them made and apparently were quite good designs. Mr. Pientenpol did raise the height of his wings from the fuselage in later planes he built. Looking at the Pietenpol's this past year at Brodhead, it was quite common to see that they had been raised about 6". Also, the cross bracing of the cables on the right side of the forward cockpit was replaced with a strut going from the engine mount to the top of the wing cabane. This also facilitated the ease of shifting the wing fore or aft for CG purposes. Hope this helps. Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN1 Cabane struts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net> > > Pieters & GN1ers: My partner, Tom Schildt & I are working on an incomplete GN1 project in beautiful South Louisiana (Corkey's back yard) which we purchased two years ago. I saw on page 92 of the March, 2003 issue of Sport Aviation a picture of a Piet built by a man named Mel (Skip) Marquette, Bristol, Tennessee in which he "increased the center section 8 inches a la an Alexander Eagle Rock. --- to reduce the turbulence between the lower wing and the fuselage. Plus, it --- makes it a lot easier to get in and out of --- ." It looks like he raised the entire wing 8 inches, and it certainly looks easier to get in and out of (very important for a 76 year old). Does anyone have any comments on this modification? I'd sure like to get hold of Mel Marquette, but so far have been unsuccessful through EAA. Also, does anyone know what an Alexander Eagle Rock is? Thank you, Jim Cooper > >


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    Time: 07:34:19 PM PST US
    From: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: my piet models page
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net> People I dont know if this link will get you to my page but here it is. Its my Piet models i built. and building. http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=58094&ck John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net> > > I would suspect that there is some Federal Law that could be used to get him > if someone in the FAA wanted to force it. I seem to remember that their are > signs at airports stating that it is against the law to interfere with the > safe operations of aircraft. Well there are now 16 that probably cannot > operate safely. > > Ken > av8or@citizen.infi.net > kring@mountainviewdogs.com > kring@irisweb.net > > www.irisweb.net > www.mountainviewdogs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian > Bobka > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net> > > I would call Asshole Daley's cowardly action an act of terrorism. > > Chris Bobka > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? > Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... > > Sad Day for GA.... > > http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ > http://www.eaa.org > > I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, > EAA or FAA. > > The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. > > DJ > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by > Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more > information on an anti-virus email solution, visit > <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > >


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    Time: 07:53:39 PM PST US
    From: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net>
    Subject: Piet Question
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net> Is there a way to adapt or modify a Piet fuseslage (originally built for a model-a engine) for a Corvair engine? Lynn Knoll EAA# 41370


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    Time: 11:41:43 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Help
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, I would like some help from you in locating 2 coils for Bendix Magnetos SFR-4, 10-19350-3. Seems these are like chicken teeth. I ordered a couple from ASS, new old stock and found them unservicable. Maybe if you would look at S n F I would appreciate it very much. If those around Wichita know of a source I would like to know it. Thanks in advance. My phone is 318 868 3385 or 800-257-4936-02 Corky




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