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1. 08:19 AM - GN1 Cabane struts (Jim Cooper)
2. 08:29 AM - Meiggs Field (DJ Vegh)
3. 08:53 AM - Re: cabane bolt edge clearance (Hubbard, Eugene)
4. 09:11 AM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (DJ Vegh)
5. 10:48 AM - Re: Meiggs Field (Cy Galley)
6. 11:27 AM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken)
7. 12:18 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken)
8. 01:34 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Hubbard, Eugene)
9. 02:48 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Christian Bobka)
10. 03:12 PM - Re: Meiggs Field - email to the Mayor (DJ Vegh)
11. 06:44 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken)
12. 06:44 PM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (BFD)
13. 07:09 PM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (Alex Sloan)
14. 07:34 PM - my piet models page (John Carmen)
15. 07:53 PM - Piet Question (Lynn & Doris Knoll)
16. 11:41 PM - Help (Isablcorky@aol.com)
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Subject: | GN1 Cabane struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net>
Pieters & GN1ers: My partner, Tom Schildt & I are working on an incomplete GN1
project in beautiful South Louisiana (Corkey's back yard) which we purchased two
years ago. I saw on page 92 of the March, 2003 issue of Sport Aviation a picture
of a Piet built by a man named Mel (Skip) Marquette, Bristol, Tennessee
in which he "increased the center section 8 inches a la an Alexander Eagle Rock.
--- to reduce the turbulence between the lower wing and the fuselage. Plus,
it --- makes it a lot easier to get in and out of --- ." It looks like he raised
the entire wing 8 inches, and it certainly looks easier to get in and out
of (very important for a 76 year old). Does anyone have any comments on this modification?
I'd sure like to get hold of Mel Marquette, but so far have been
unsuccessful through EAA. Also, does anyone know what an Alexander Eagle Rock
is? Thank you, Jim Cooper
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under
cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
Sad Day for GA....
http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
http://www.eaa.org
I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA
or FAA.
The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
DJ
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Subject: | cabane bolt edge clearance |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
DJ,
I'm a bit late on the cabane discussion, but I have a couple of comments
that nobody's mentioned yet.
1) Work out the stresses on the cabane struts. If it's anything like the
Piet, you'll find out there isn't much. What there is is mainly compression
down the spar. The reason for this is that the lift struts are mounted much
closer to the center of the wing than in most high-wing planes.
2) I personally wouldn't do anything close tolerance at that point.
Pietenpol has a note on his plans (Hoopman 1934) to the effect that the
cabanes should rattle. The reason is that there's a lot of bending moment
at the joints, and it could (will?) fatigue. If the joints are loose and
the wires take up the bending moment, nothing bad happens.
This is not professional advice--it comes from high school physics books.
But the numbers are interesting.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: DJ Vegh [mailto:aircamper@imagedv.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane bolt edge clearance
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Keep in mind I am building a GN-1 which has a different method of attaching
cabanes to wing center section.
I'm having a bit of dilemma. I am using Skytec extruded aluminum
streamlined struts for cabanes and lift struts. The struts are hollow cored
with flats on the insides to allow a 3-6" piece of 3/4" x 3/4" solid
aluminum bar to be slipped in which allows you to terminate the ends by
having an inch or so of that bar stick out past the strut. You then bolt the
strut to the structure with that piece of bar.
Problem is, a 3/4" x3/4" solid aluminum bar only allows me an AN3 bolt
because of edge clearance issues. As I recall, the rule is 2D from center
to edge (where D is diameter of hole). 2D of an AN3 is 3/8" which allows
proper clearance, but I feel I really need an AN4 to attach the tops of the
cabanes to the wing spar center section fittings.
Here's what I can do:
1. Drill out to 1/4" for an AN4 anyway and disregard the edge clearance
recommendations.
2. Taper a 1x1" bar to 3/4 x 3/4 and use an AN4 in the 1" portion (this
method may look wierd)
3. Use AN3's to bolt the tops of the cabanes to the wing spar fittings.
(will 4 AN3's do the job of holding the wing center section in place?)
4. use 3/4" x 3/4" .080 wall 4130 steel instead of solid aluminum bar and
drill for AN4's
5. use 3/4 x 3/4" solid steel bar instead of aluminum and drill for AN4's (a
heavy solution)
No. 4 & 5 makes me wonder if edge clearance guidelines are different for
steel than aluminum...... are they??
I need advice!
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
Mesa, AZ
N74DV
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Subject: | Re: GN1 Cabane struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I raised mine 2". I too heard about the 8" lift. To me it seems excessive.
I'm not sure how that will affect flight. Seems like power increases will caus
e a drastic nose up tendancy.... but maybe not.
DJ
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From: Jim Cooper
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN1 Cabane struts
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net>
Pieters & GN1ers: My partner, Tom Schildt & I are working on an incomplete GN1
project in beautiful South Louisiana (Corkey's back yard) which we purchased
two years ago. I saw on page 92 of the March, 2003 issue of Sport Aviation a
picture of a Piet built by a man named Mel (Skip) Marquette, Bristol, Tennessee
in which he "increased the center section 8 inches a la an Alexander Eagle Rock.
--- to reduce the turbulence between the lower wing and the fuselage. Plus,
it --- makes it a lot easier to get in and out of --- ." It looks like he raised
the entire wing 8 inches, and it certainly looks easier to get in and out
of (very important for a 76 year old). Does anyone have any comments on this
modification? I'd sure like to get hold of Mel Marquette, but so far have been
unsuccessful through EAA. Also, does anyone know what an Alexander Eagle Rock
is? Thank you, Jim Cooper
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Subject: | Re: Meiggs Field |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Terrorists??? Naw, just dopey daley! Some lawyer is going to make a
killing!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night?
Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
>
> Sad Day for GA....
>
> http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
> http://www.eaa.org
>
> I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to
AOPA, EAA or FAA.
>
> The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
>
> DJ
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
Is this the start of a police state.
Ken
av8or@citizen.infi.net
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Terrorists??? Naw, just dopey daley! Some lawyer is going to make a
killing!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night?
Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
>
> Sad Day for GA....
>
> http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
> http://www.eaa.org
>
> I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to
AOPA, EAA or FAA.
>
> The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
>
> DJ
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
If you go to the site and scan down the page there is a poll on the closing.
http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ Please take it.
Ken
av8or@citizen.infi.net
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Terrorists??? Naw, just dopey daley! Some lawyer is going to make a
killing!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night?
Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
>
> Sad Day for GA....
>
> http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
> http://www.eaa.org
>
> I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to
AOPA, EAA or FAA.
>
> The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
>
> DJ
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
Chicago always was a police state.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken [mailto:av8or@citizen.infi.net]
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
Is this the start of a police state.
Ken
av8or@citizen.infi.net
kring@mountainviewdogs.com
kring@irisweb.net
www.irisweb.net
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Terrorists??? Naw, just dopey daley! Some lawyer is going to make a
killing!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night?
Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
>
> Sad Day for GA....
>
> http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
> http://www.eaa.org
>
> I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to
AOPA, EAA or FAA.
>
> The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
>
> DJ
>
>
> > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
I would call Asshole Daley's cowardly action an act of terrorism.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night?
Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
Sad Day for GA....
http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
http://www.eaa.org
I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA,
EAA or FAA.
The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
DJ
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Subject: | Re: Meiggs Field - email to the Mayor |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
go here and scroll to the bottom to email the mayors office... tell him
what you really feel... and feel free to tell your pilot friends to do the
same.
http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/MayorsResponse.html
DJ Vegh
N74DV
www.raptoronline.com
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
>
> I would call Asshole Daley's cowardly action an act of terrorism.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night?
> Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
>
> Sad Day for GA....
>
> http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
> http://www.eaa.org
>
> I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to
AOPA,
> EAA or FAA.
>
> The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
>
> DJ
>
>
> > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by
> Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
I would suspect that there is some Federal Law that could be used to get him
if someone in the FAA wanted to force it. I seem to remember that their are
signs at airports stating that it is against the law to interfere with the
safe operations of aircraft. Well there are now 16 that probably cannot
operate safely.
Ken
av8or@citizen.infi.net
kring@mountainviewdogs.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian
Bobka
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
I would call Asshole Daley's cowardly action an act of terrorism.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night?
Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
Sad Day for GA....
http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
http://www.eaa.org
I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA,
EAA or FAA.
The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
DJ
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Subject: | Re: GN1 Cabane struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "BFD" <mrclean@arkansas.net>
> It is an antique biplane.There was one on the cover of sa in the fall in
the early 70's. I think 71 or 72. Was flown to oshkosh from texas and won
big.. Bill
. Also, does anyone know what an Alexander Eagle Rock is? Thank you, Jim
Cooper
>
>
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Subject: | Re: GN1 Cabane struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Jim Cooper,
You can type in Alexander Eaglerock on your search engine and it should take
you to the web site showing these old airplanes. There were several
versions of them made and apparently were quite good designs.
Mr. Pientenpol did raise the height of his wings from the fuselage in later
planes he built. Looking at the Pietenpol's this past year at Brodhead, it
was quite common to see that they had been raised about 6". Also, the cross
bracing of the cables on the right side of the forward cockpit was replaced
with a strut going from the engine mount to the top of the wing cabane.
This also facilitated the ease of shifting the wing fore or aft for CG
purposes.
Hope this helps.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cooper" <blugoos1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN1 Cabane struts
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper"
<blugoos1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Pieters & GN1ers: My partner, Tom Schildt & I are working on an incomplete
GN1 project in beautiful South Louisiana (Corkey's back yard) which we
purchased two years ago. I saw on page 92 of the March, 2003 issue of Sport
Aviation a picture of a Piet built by a man named Mel (Skip) Marquette,
Bristol, Tennessee in which he "increased the center section 8 inches a la
an Alexander Eagle Rock. --- to reduce the turbulence between the lower wing
and the fuselage. Plus, it --- makes it a lot easier to get in and out
of --- ." It looks like he raised the entire wing 8 inches, and it certainly
looks easier to get in and out of (very important for a 76 year old). Does
anyone have any comments on this modification? I'd sure like to get hold of
Mel Marquette, but so far have been unsuccessful through EAA. Also, does
anyone know what an Alexander Eagle Rock is? Thank you, Jim Cooper
>
>
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Subject: | my piet models page |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net>
People
I dont know if this link will get you to my page but here it is. Its my
Piet models i built. and building.
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=58094&ck
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@citizen.infi.net>
>
> I would suspect that there is some Federal Law that could be used to get
him
> if someone in the FAA wanted to force it. I seem to remember that their
are
> signs at airports stating that it is against the law to interfere with the
> safe operations of aircraft. Well there are now 16 that probably cannot
> operate safely.
>
> Ken
> av8or@citizen.infi.net
> kring@mountainviewdogs.com
> kring@irisweb.net
>
> www.irisweb.net
> www.mountainviewdogs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian
> Bobka
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@charter.net>
>
> I would call Asshole Daley's cowardly action an act of terrorism.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night?
> Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway.....
>
> Sad Day for GA....
>
> http://www.chicago.tribune.com/
> http://www.eaa.org
>
> I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to
AOPA,
> EAA or FAA.
>
> The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it.
>
> DJ
>
>
> > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by
> Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more
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Is there a way to adapt or modify a Piet fuseslage (originally built for a model-a
engine) for a Corvair engine?
Lynn Knoll
EAA# 41370
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
I would like some help from you in locating 2 coils for Bendix Magnetos
SFR-4, 10-19350-3. Seems these are like chicken teeth. I ordered a couple
from ASS, new old stock and found them unservicable. Maybe if you would look
at S n F I would appreciate it very much. If those around Wichita know of a
source I would like to know it. Thanks in advance.
My phone is 318 868 3385 or
800-257-4936-02
Corky
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