---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/01/03: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Re: Piet Question (Kip & Beth Gardner) 2. 04:43 AM - Re: Help (Craigo) 3. 06:40 AM - Cabane struts (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 4. 07:32 AM - Re: Cabane struts (DJ Vegh) 5. 09:12 AM - Re: Meiggs Field (John_Duprey@vmed.org) 6. 10:05 AM - Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... (Matt Dralle) 7. 10:51 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/31/03 () 8. 11:23 AM - cabane struts (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/31/03 (Jim Markle) 10. 03:38 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/31/03 (ANNCARLEK@aol.com) 11. 06:11 PM - Re: Meiggs Field - email to the Mayor (George Allen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:45 AM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner At 10:52 PM -0500 03/31/03, Lynn & Doris Knoll wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" > >Is there a way to adapt or modify a Piet fuseslage (originally built for a >model-a engine) for a Corvair engine? >Lynn Knoll >EAA# 41370 Lynn, The simplest way is to build an extended engine mount. This is what William Wynne did with his now-defunct Piet that was the test bed for all his Corvair conversion development work. He extended the mount 6" beyond what was called for if he'd had a long fuselage. It looked fine & gave him some extra space between the firewall & engine for accesories & clearances. Kip Gardner North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:52 AM PST US From: "Craigo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Help --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craigo" Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > I would like some help from you in locating 2 coils for > Bendix Magnetos > SFR-4, 10-19350-3. Corkster - I'll try to take a look Friday. Maybe someone like Dick Navritil will find some before I do. I'll call if I find something. Craig Lake Worth, FL Bakeng Duce NX96CW PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:30 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) DJ: What is the wall thickness of your Carelson cabane struts? Are you using the smaller size struts for your lift struts as well? If you are using the larger size, what is the wall thickness of the larger struts? I listen to a am. radio talk show on WLS each morning . (if the skip is in the atmosphere) The general thought this morning is that Mayor Daley is mentally ill. Leon S. Wondering if other mayors are thinking " if Daley can do it, why can't I. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:52 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" go here to see a section drawing of the large and small struts. http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html I am using the small for the cabanes, large for the front lift struts and small for the rear lift struts. All in all, they cost me about $250 and that includes jury strut material. DJ Vegh N74DV www.raptoronline.com Mesa, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Stefan" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > > DJ: What is the wall thickness of your Carelson cabane struts? Are you > using the smaller size struts for your lift struts as well? If you are > using the larger size, what is the wall thickness of the larger struts? > I listen to a am. radio talk show on WLS each morning . (if the skip is > in the atmosphere) The general thought this morning is that Mayor Daley > is mentally ill. Leon S. Wondering if other mayors are thinking " if > Daley can do it, why can't I. > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:01 AM PST US From: John_Duprey@vmed.org Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field 04/01/2003 12:11:32 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org It's sad to think that we have our troops fighting and dying ,over in Iraq to over throw a leader who abuses his position of power, while back home a leader is doing the same thing. And Mayor Dailey has the nerve to say it is for Homeland Defence. "DJ Vegh" @matronics.com on 03/31/2003 11:23:22 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com cc: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to Meigs field last night? Under cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the runway..... Sad Day for GA.... http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ http://www.eaa.org I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought to drop a line to AOPA, EAA or FAA. The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally proved it. DJ = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit < http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:11 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP) upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1 connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority, 1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance enhancement for all of the List services! Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory, the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the case... ;-) Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when everything is up and running on the new T1 line. Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka, flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement, please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:49 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/31/03 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Yes, I responded to the Mayor's office. Did you? --- Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can be also > be found in either > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file > includes the Digest > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and > features Hyperlinked > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file > includes the plain ASCII > version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be > viewed with a generic > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2003-03-31.html > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2003-03-31.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > > > Pietenpol-List Digest > Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon > 03/31/03: 16 > > > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 08:19 AM - GN1 Cabane struts (Jim Cooper) > 2. 08:29 AM - Meiggs Field (DJ Vegh) > 3. 08:53 AM - Re: cabane bolt edge clearance > (Hubbard, Eugene) > 4. 09:11 AM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (DJ Vegh) > 5. 10:48 AM - Re: Meiggs Field (Cy Galley) > 6. 11:27 AM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken) > 7. 12:18 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken) > 8. 01:34 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Hubbard, > Eugene) > 9. 02:48 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Christian > Bobka) > 10. 03:12 PM - Re: Meiggs Field - email to the > Mayor (DJ Vegh) > 11. 06:44 PM - Re: Meiggs Field (Ken) > 12. 06:44 PM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (BFD) > 13. 07:09 PM - Re: GN1 Cabane struts (Alex > Sloan) > 14. 07:34 PM - my piet models page (John > Carmen) > 15. 07:53 PM - Piet Question (Lynn & Doris > Knoll) > 16. 11:41 PM - Help (Isablcorky@aol.com) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:19:08 AM PST US > From: "Jim Cooper" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN1 Cabane struts > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Cooper" > > > Pieters & GN1ers: My partner, Tom Schildt & I are > working on an incomplete GN1 > project in beautiful South Louisiana (Corkey's back > yard) which we purchased two > years ago. I saw on page 92 of the March, 2003 issue > of Sport Aviation a picture > of a Piet built by a man named Mel (Skip) Marquette, > Bristol, Tennessee > in which he "increased the center section 8 inches a > la an Alexander Eagle Rock. > --- to reduce the turbulence between the lower wing > and the fuselage. Plus, > it --- makes it a lot easier to get in and out of > --- ." It looks like he raised > the entire wing 8 inches, and it certainly looks > easier to get in and out > of (very important for a 76 year old). Does anyone > have any comments on this modification? > I'd sure like to get hold of Mel Marquette, but so > far have been > unsuccessful through EAA. Also, does anyone know > what an Alexander Eagle Rock > is? Thank you, Jim Cooper > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:29:11 AM PST US > From: "DJ Vegh" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > Did you guys see what the Mayor of Chicago did to > Meigs field last night? Under > cover of darkness with no warning he tore up the > runway..... > > Sad Day for GA.... > > http://www.chicago.tribune.com/ > http://www.eaa.org > > I think those who disagree with this nonsense ought > to drop a line to AOPA, EAA > or FAA. > > The Mayor of Chicago hates GA and has now finally > proved it. > > DJ > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and > made safe for viewing by Half > Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting > provider. For more information > on an anti-virus email solution, visit > . > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:53:14 AM PST US > From: "Hubbard, Eugene" > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cabane bolt edge > clearance > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, > Eugene" > > DJ, > > I'm a bit late on the cabane discussion, but I have > a couple of comments > that nobody's mentioned yet. > > 1) Work out the stresses on the cabane struts. If > it's anything like the > Piet, you'll find out there isn't much. What there > is is mainly compression > down the spar. The reason for this is that the lift > struts are mounted much > closer to the center of the wing than in most > high-wing planes. > > 2) I personally wouldn't do anything close > tolerance at that point. > Pietenpol has a note on his plans (Hoopman 1934) to > the effect that the > cabanes should rattle. The reason is that there's a > lot of bending moment > at the joints, and it could (will?) fatigue. If the > joints are loose and > the wires take up the bending moment, nothing bad > happens. > > This is not professional advice--it comes from high > school physics books. > But the numbers are interesting. > > Gene > === message truncated === http://platinum.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:23 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Jim asked, >does anyone know what an Alexander Eaglerock is? ...and got some good answers, but for those who want to inquire further there are some good photos at this site: http://www.museumofflight.org/collections/craftdisplay.html?ID=7 Anyone who watched the video series from the 2001 "Corvair College" series where many rides were given in William Wynne's Piet, probably watched the various contortions needed to get into the front cockpit of the plane. Also, getting into the rear cockpit takes a bit of work unless there is a "flop" or a semicircular cutout of the aft edge of the center section (proven to be a detriment to the performance of the airplane, BTW). So lengthening the cabanes a bit to increase the available working space is a help. Various suggestions have been made, most being to lengthen the cabanes 4", but I don't know that I've ever seen any actual flying reports from anyone who has lengthened them 6" or 8" other than that they obviously haven't been killed in the crash of the plane due to extending the struts this much. It's got to affect the handling having the geometry altered by a significant distance though. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:47 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/31/03 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle I sent a message. And the automated "thanks for your comments" reply from their auto response system came from the following email address: Nobody I got a reply from some nobody in Chicago? Well, if they say so, who am I to disagree? Jim in Plano -------Original Message------- From: fawsr@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/31/03 > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Yes, I responded to the Mayor's office. Did you? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:07 PM PST US From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/31/03 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com In a message dated 3/31/03 11:57:04 PM, pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com writes: << Time: 07:53:39 PM PST US From: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" Is there a way to adapt or modify a Piet fuseslage (originally built for a model-a engine) for a Corvair engine? Lynn Knoll EAA# 41370 >> There is not an awful lot of difference in weight between the Corvair and the Model A, and this difference could be balanced by installing the Corvair a couple(few?) inches forward. Don Pietenpol has plans for the motor mounts. The Fuselage was extended 9" for the Corvair for more room, etc. I believe that either version fuselage could be used. Carl de Compton ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:59 PM PST US From: "George Allen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meiggs Field - email to the Mayor --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "George Allen" I was hoping to fly into Meig's field someday. That bastard. I sent him a message also. George Allen Harrisburg, PA GeorgeA@PAonline.com (Peitenpol builder) ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" > go here and scroll to the bottom to email the mayors office... tell him > what you really feel... and feel free to tell your pilot friends to do the > same. > > http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/MayorsResponse.html >