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Thu 04/03/03


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     1. 06:41 AM - Re: Magneto coils (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     2. 07:36 AM - Thanks for the Help (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     3. 08:15 AM - Fw: Propwash (Meigs Field) (Gary Gower)
     4. 08:22 AM - Re: Magneto coils (Gary Gower)
     5. 08:34 AM - Re: Magneto coils (Meigs Field) (Gary Gower)
     6. 08:45 AM - Re: Magneto coils (Gary Gower)
     7. 11:18 AM - plans (Scott Haggenmacher)
     8. 02:09 PM - Re: plans (Alex Sloan)
     9. 02:48 PM - Re: plans (walter evans)
    10. 03:43 PM - substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (DJ Vegh)
    11. 04:21 PM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    12. 04:43 PM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (DJ Vegh)
    13. 04:47 PM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (John Carmen)
    14. 05:42 PM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (Dick and Marge Gillespie)
    15. 06:19 PM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (Ian Holland)
    16. 07:28 PM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    17. 07:47 PM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (John Carmen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:41:57 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Magneto coils
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Oh, I forgot to mention that my son and son in law are both attorneys. Corky, wading around in the legal swamp of La Do not archive


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    Time: 07:36:54 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Thanks for the Help
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, Problem of mag coils solved. Thanks for all your helpful input. If any have a similiar problem contact me and I will help you through it if possible. Corky in beautiful Louisiana where it's so much fun and comfort flying a Piet


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    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Fwd: Propwash (Meigs Field)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> > --- John Waugh <john.waugh@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > To: <Fly5k@yahoogroups.com> > > From: "John Waugh" <john.waugh@xtra.co.nz> > > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:43:44 +1200 > > Subject: Fly5k Fw: Propwash > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: webmaster@aero-news.net > > To: propwashhtml@aero-news.net > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:46 PM > > Subject: Propwash > > > > > > > > > > > > Propwash > > 03.31.03 Issue 40/01a > > J.R. "Zoom" Campbell Editor-In-Chief > > jim@aero-news.net > > Tim Kern News Editor tkern@aero-news.net > > > > Amy Sumerlin Feature/Column Editor > > asumer@aero-news.net > > > > Aero-News Network > > http://www.aero-news.net > > For Subscribe/Unsubscribe procedures and > > Privacy Statement, scroll to end. > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to this day's ANN Daily News Brief. We > > appreciate your joining us as we try to keep an eye > > on all the news we can find of interest to aviators > > and aviation-minded people all over the planet. We > > welcome and encourage your comments, criticism and > > suggestions... and hope that you'll become active > > members of the ANN community. We'd like to ask you > > one big favor... PLEASE TELL EVERYONE ABOUT > > AERO-NEWS! > > > > > > > > > Note: This newsletter is supported solely by > > advertisers like the one(s) above. We stand 100% > > behind every ad that we run. If you ever have a > > problem with a company that advertises here please > > contact us and we will try to get it resolved. -- > > Aero-News Network > > > > > > > > > NEWS SUMMARY > > Remember... You Have to Go to > > http://www.aero-news.net to read the WHOLE story! > > There's much more! > > > > > > > > > > Aero-News Alert: Meigs Field Destroyed! > > > > Stealth Attack Sunday Night Strands 16 > > Airplanes > > Chicago's rabidly anti-GA Mayor, Richard > > M Daley held a brief news conference Monday > > afternoon, to explain why he apparently sent heavy > > equipment to Meigs Field late Sunday night. The > > Chicago Tribune's Casey Bukro said in its morning > > edition, "Meigs Field, the city's lakefront airport, > > was closed early today after construction vehicles > > showed up overnight and dug up large portions of the > > runway. At dawn, the view from the top of the Adler > > Planetarium showed a series of large, X-shaped > > portions of concrete carved out of the runway's > > center. Large, illuminated 'X' signs marked either > > end of the runway. Sixteen aircraft appeared > > stranded, parked along a taxiway and unable to take > > off." > > > > Chicago's famous Police blocked the > > entrance to the airport. > > > > The mayor has tried all sorts of legal > > and quasi-legal means to kill the gem of the > > lakefront, for several years now. Apparently the > > frustration of doing things within the system was > > too much for him to bear. Monday morning, the city > > awoke to find the runway destroyed. > > > > We called Meigs, and asked, "What > > happpened to your airport?" We were connected, > > without comment, to the City's Aviation Department's > > spokeswoman, Monique Bond, who told us to wait for > > the Mayor's press conference, that "all responses > > will be coming out of the Mayor's office." > > > > > > > > We called the Mayor's office -- > > 312-744-3334 -- We asked what had happened to the > > airport, and how the Mayor justified it. The lady at > > the office's press number didn't know when the > > conference was scheduled, but snipped, "The Mayor is > > going to have an availability later on today, OK?" I > > answered, "That's not OK," and hung up. > > > > FAA spokesman Paul Turk explained that > > it's pretty much the city's deal: "Meigs is what we > > call an 'unobligated airport.' It gets no federal > > grant money, no federal facilities." > > > > Just what happened is still a mystery to > > the FAA. "We're trying to sort this out with > > Homeland Security and some other folks. We continue > > to look into this; but, as of now, it appears we > > were not given any advance warning," he said. > > > > Turk speculated (and we wrote it down): > > "There is a contract control tower on the field -- > > that's a potential issue for their employer." > > > > No NOTAM > > ANN has also learned that there was no > > NOTAM issued prior to the destruction of the airport > > -- the Mayor could have killed somebody. The NOTAM > > below was issued after destruction of the runways > > had commenced. > > > > KCGX MERRILL C MEIGS > > 03/006 - AP CLSD 31 MAR 12:00 UNTIL UFN > > > > NATCA Weighs In > > Air traffic controllers blasted Chicago > > Mayor Richard Daley's unannounced forced closure of > > downtown lakefront Meigs Field under cloak of > > darkness Sunday night, assailing the stealth > > maneuver as a major step backwards for Chicago > > aviation and warning of a domino effect on traffic > > at neighboring airports. > > > > "Mayor Daley bulldozed his way into > > aviation history this morning by destroying a > > national treasure and potentially causing unsafe > > flying conditions for the greater Chicagoland > > airspace," NATCA President John Carr said. "This > > reminds me of the Colts sneaking out of Baltimore by > > dead of night. Clearly, the mayor didn't think his > > policy choices could either figuratively or > > literally withstand the light of day. It's the > > epitome of arrogance." > > > > Chicago media are reporting today that > > before midnight on Sunday, workers with construction > > equipment arrived at Meigs escorted by Chicago > > police and carved out large, X-shaped portions of > > concrete out of the center of the runway. Sixteen > > aircraft appeared stranded. Sources said under terms > > of a deal with then-Illinois Governor George Ryan in > > December 2001, Mayor Daley agreed to keep Meigs open > > until 2026. > > > > "Mayor Daley has managed to do what > > terrorists couldn't -- he permanently shut down an > > airport in the great city of Chicago," Carr said. > > "It's just outrageous." > > > > The monthly average air traffic volume > > at Meigs in 2002 was 1,564 instrument flight rules > > operations, meaning flights where pilots were in > > contact with air traffic control. But Meigs > > routinely became a much busier airport during events > > at the nearby McCormick Place convention center. In > > fact, last September, the airport handled 2,273 IFR > > operations. > > > > "The problem with Meigs closing is those > > 1,500 operations are going to have to go somewhere > > else," remarked Ray Gibbons, president of the local > > NATCA chapter at Chicago Terminal Radar Approach > > Control. "O'Hare and Midway airports are already > > operating above capacity. In fact, we are working > > more aircraft than we were before Sept. 11, 2001. > > Meigs' closure adds complex and higher volumes of > > traffic to this area's overburdened, understaffed > > facilities and sooner or later that understaffing > > will reach critical mass. At some point in time, the > > safety of the flying public will be compromised." > > > > > > > > The FAA Statement: > > We at the FAA were concerned to learn > > this morning of the decision to close Meigs Field. > > Already, we have heard from members of the general > > aviation community and we share their concern. > > Removing any centrally located airport such as Meigs > > from the system only diminishes capacity and puts > > added pressure on O'Hare and Midway airports. > > > > The Mayor was reported to have said in > > his afternoon news conference that the airplanes > > left stranded at Meigs could leave on the "adjacent, > > parallel runway," provided the FAA gave permission. > > That "runway," Mr. Mayor (you nincompoop, sir), is a > > taxiway. A deliberately misleading statement like > > that was, no doubt, engineered to dupe the > > non-aviation press (and thus the public) into > > thinking that the destruction of the runway was no > > big deal. > > > > What's going on? A TSA rep called us > > back Monday afternoon, and said, "We have no idea." > > The TSA referred us to the Department of Homeland > > Security, whose spokesman, Brian Roehrkasse, told us > > that the decision to wreck the airfield was > > apparently made in Chicago: "That decision did not > > originate with the Department of Homeland Security, > > or with the TSA," he said. > > > > FMI: Chicago Tribune story, > > mayordaley@ci.chi.il.us; www.natca.org > > > > > > > > > > A Simple Act of Protest: Boycott Daley's > > Chicago > > > > You'll hear a lot of protestations over > > the next few days and weeks because of the lies and > > deceit of a master politician who has acted in his > > own best interests, instead of those who elected > > him. An old-style political bully, Daley (right) > > fraudulently wrapped himself in the cloak of a > > protector in claiming that the destruction of Meigs > > was an anti-terrorism action... when in actuality, > > it was an act of political terrorism against a > > nation's pilots and all the assets they once brought > > to the windy city. > > > > Meigs may well be dead. And the aviation > > world has been shaken to the core... but the stand > > we did not take so effectively in the past must be > > taken now. There must be a price to pay for the > > political dishonesty and moral cowardice of the > > Mayor Daleys of the world, there must be a reckoning > > when one man attacks an entire segment of society as > > well as a national asset, there must be a fearsome > > and costly response to an act that outrages everyone > > who loves aviation and understands that it is an > > integral part of what moves this country forward > > each and every day. Make Daley pay. Make Chicago pay > > for electing this fool. Make the world understand > > that aviation is a vital resource that is not to be > > trifled with. Let there be a cost for such arrogance > > and destruction... a cost that no one else will be > > willing to pay again. > > > > ANN Suggests A World-Wide Boycott of > > Daley's Chicago > > We believe that aviators the world over > > must rethink any plans to visit, or spend any money > > in, the Chicago area... if Chicago's myopic > > powers-that-be so want to isolate the aviation > > world, we should also isolate our dollars and > > business from Chicago and take them elsewhere. ANN's > > Editor-In-Chief was scheduling a trip that would > > have originally taken him through Chicago next > > month. Instead, he has canceled it, and all Chicago > > area activities that might have meant spending money > > there, and decided to conduct his trip through > > Milwaukee, instead. > > > > Boycott Chicago. Boycott Daley. If they > > hate us, they'll not profit from us ever again. > > Boycott Chicago. > > > > FMI: mayordaley@cityofchicago.org, > > governor@state.il.us > > > > > > > > > > Aviation Community 'In Shock' By Daley > > Sneak Attack > > > > It's been a hell of a day. We've been > > hearing from hundreds of pilots and aviation > > professionals, all over the world, decrying the > > dishonest and fraudulent actions of Chicago's > > Mayor/Bully Richard Daley. > > > > > > > > Herewith a few more comments from some > > of the aviation community... > > > > AOPA President Phil Boyer: "We are > > absolutely shocked and dismayed... Mayor Daley has > > no honor and his word has no value. The sneaky way > > he did this shows that he knows it was wrong." > > Boyer immediately fired faxes off to FAA > > Administrator Marion Blakey and Transportation > > Security Administration chief Adm. James M. Loy to > > discuss possible solutions. > > "During a period when the country is at > > war in the Middle East, why must the mayor of > > Chicago also play dictator with a most valuable > > airport and cause additional turmoil inside our own > > country?" asked Boyer. > > "While federal and state airport laws > > may not have been broken by this action, in December > > 2001 he pledged to keep the airport open, in support > > of federal legislation that granted him expansion of > > O'Hare airport. The mayor has broken his promise not > > only to the citizens of his own city, but also to > > the pilots of America. > > "We will once again explore the legality > > of this ac tion, but past research indicates that > > the law hasn't been broken," Boyer continued. > > "However, we're not going to allow the mayor to hide > > behind the fiction of 'homeland security' for his > > reprehensible action." > > > > EAA President Tom Poberezny: "The nature > > of the actions taken by the city under the cover of > > darkness indicates that there was not public support > > for this action... We will continue to work with the > > Friends of Meigs Field and others in trying to save > > the airport. All options will be quickly > > investigated. Throughout the years, Meigs Field has > > proven its value, both from an economic standpoint > > and as well as from a social standpoint. Thousands > > of kids have enjoyed EAA Young Eagles flights there. > > Numerous organizations and hundreds of volunteers > > have worked diligently on behalf of the airport." > > > > President of the Friends of Meigs Field, > > Rachel Goodstein: Rachel wasn't buying the mayor's > > spurious public safety mantra, either. "During WWII, > > Franklin Roosevelt said we have nothing to fear but > > fear itself, and the mayor proved that today," she > > said, speaking in front of reporters at city hall > > shortly after the mayor's conference concluded. > > "Businesses, pilots, and many non-flying > > citizens-people are really outraged by what the > > mayor did. To come in the middle of the night and do > > this...the only reason was to prevent a lawsuit from > > being filed, what he virtually admitted." Goodstein > > was equally appalled that nobody-not the FAA, U.S. > > or Illinois departments of transportation, not even > > the Meigs tower knew of the plans to destroy the > > runway. "This was a fear-mongering land-grab, plain > > and simple," Goodstein said. "The city is much safer > > with a towered airport monitoring all air traffic. > > The fire department i s now 10 miles further away > > which makes boaters less safe. Children with > > emergency medical situations are less safe. This was > > a shortsighted decision. The mayor is taking > > advantage of fear to get something done he always > > wanted." "The city did this with a vengeance," > > Goodstein said. "If this (Meigs) was a national > > security issue, they could block the runway with > > trucks. We all know this is not a national security > > issue." > > > > Bev Dunjill, President of the Tuskegee > > Airmen's DOD chapter based at Meigs Field: Dunjill, > > a veteran pilot of World War II and Korea, spoke on > > behalf of EAA's Young Eagles program, which has > > contributed more than 6,000 names to the world's > > largest logbook. "The overwhelming majority of the > > kids flown were inner-city kids, which provided them > > with a structured and fun introduction to the world > > of flight, but now their ability to experience > > flight has taken a huge blow," he said. > > > > FMI: mayordaley@cityofchicago.org, > > governor@state.il.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GAMA Decries Mayor's Closure of Meigs > > Field > > > > The General Aviation Manufacturers > > Association (GAMA) is decrying the closure of Meigs > > Field and the destruction of its runway by the City > > of Chicago. > > > > "This is a sad day for general > > aviation," said Ed Bolen, President of GAMA. "Mayor > > Daley obviously saw an opportunity, using the ruse > > of security and the cover of night, to pursue his > > longstanding goal of closing Meigs Field. The > > mayor's action, which comes after years of > > negotiations over the fate of this important > > airport, smacks of bad faith and smears the > > reputation of general aviation." > > > > The City of Chicago appears not to have > > provided advance notice to the Federal Aviation > > Administration (FAA) of its decision to close Meigs. > > Notifying the FAA prior to the closure of an airport > > is generally required under Part 157 of the Federal > > Aviation Regulations. According to Bolen, "We are > > currently exploring possible legal and > > administrative options for reopening the airport." > > > > In 1996, when Mayor Daley first > > attempted to close Meigs Field and turn it into a > > public park, GAMA joined other aviation associations > > in filing a lawsuit against the City of Chicago. > > Although that suit was ultimately unsuccessful, it > > helped serve as a catalyst for action by the > > Governor of Illinois and the state legislature > > which, until yesterday, had kept the lakefront > > airport open. > > > > GAMA is a national trade association > > headquartered in Washington, DC representing 50 > > manufacturers of general aviation aircraft, engines, > > avionics and related equipment. GAMA's members also > > operate fleets of aircraft, fixed based operations > > at many airports and pilot training facilities > > across the United States. > > > > FMI: www.GAMA.aero > > > > > > > > > > NATA: Daley's Actions Make Him 'A > > Laughingstock' > > > > NATA Outraged By Meigs Field Closure > > National Air Transportation Association > > (NATA) president James K. Coyne (right) has > > expressed outrage after the overnight destruction of > > the only runway at Chicago's Meigs Field. > > > > "I'm absolutely shocked that Mayor Daley > > has taken it upon himself to literally plow up the > > runway at Meigs Field," Coyne stated. "That airport > > has never posed a threat to anyone and should be a > > major source of pride to the Mayor and the city of > > Chicago. Instead, the Mayor's outrageous actions > > make him a laughingstock." > > > > Earlier, in the dark of night, heavy > > equipment was brought onto the runway at Meigs Field > > and large portions of the pavement ripped up, making > > it impossible for airplanes to use the runway. The > > action, apparently undertaken at the Mayor's > > direction, effectively closes the airport and the > > fixed-base operator there - Signature Flight Support > > - while stranding some 15 airplanes. The Mayor's > > motivations became clearer at an afternoon press > > conference where, as expected by NATA, Mayor Daley > > defended his actions as taken in the name of > > "national security." > > > > "For years, Mayor Daley (right) quite > > properly has used the political process in his > > attempts to close Meigs Field," Coyne said. "In > > response, Congress has supported keeping the airport > > open, the FAA has supported keeping the airport open > > - everyone except the Mayor has supported keeping > > the airport open. Ultimately, what he could not > > achieve through normal channels he has achieved by > > hiding behind the curtain of 'national security.' > > > > "According to our contacts within the > > federal national security apparatus, currently there > > is no credible terrorism threat against the City of > > Chicago," said Coyne. "Daley himself acknowledged > > that no threat exists, yet believing he knows better > > than federal security officials, he uses terrorism > > fears to justify his actions; frightening the very > > citizens he claims to be protecting. Daley is > > perpetrating the worst kind of fraud on his own > > citizens. It's almost as if a sad April Fools' joke > > was played a day early. Unfortunately, this is no > > joke. > > > > "The ramifications of this episode go > > far beyond the shores of Lake Michigan," said Coyne. > > "Now, any community with the merest whim to close > > their local airport can do so and point to Chicago > > as their justification." > > > > NATA's response to the destruction of > > Meigs Field also included a strong letter to FAA > > Administrator Marion Blakey. > > > > > > > > "Without swift and strong condemnation > > by the FAA and others within the federal government, > > Mayor Daley's actions will be known as the beginning > > of the end for this nation's highly developed air > > transportation system," Coyne's letter stated. > > "Lacking a strong federal response, the result of > > Mayor Daley's actions will be an environment in > > which local authorities may, at their convenience, > > completely disrupt the flow of interstate air > > commerce." > > > > FMI: www.nata-online.org > > > > > > > > > > Friends of Meigs: 'Storm-Trooper > > Tactics' Close Meigs > > > > Friends Of Meigs: For Homeland Security, > > Closing Meigs Is The Riskiest Thing Possible > > Official Statement: The City of Chicago > > today used surprise and shock tactics to start > > demolishing Meigs Field, the world-renowned airport > > serving downtown, ripping up runway without notice > > in the dark of night under police guard. "We are in > > shock," said Rachel Goodstein, president of the > > Friends of Meigs Field. "The City of Chicago had > > agreed to keep Meigs Field open until 2026," she > > said, citing a December 2001 agreement between Mayor > > Daley and Governor Ryan. > > > > "This smacks of totalitarianism," said > > Goodstein. "It is nothing but an unmitigated land > > grab." > > > > The demolition came without warning, > > when dozens of heavy earth-movers descended on Meigs > > shortly after it closed at 10:00 P.M. Sunday night. > > The Friends of Meigs only received warning via news > > media inquiries. When Friends of Meigs > > representatives tried to visit the airport to talk > > to officials about the situation, they were turned > > away from the area by armed police. > > > > > > > > "We understand that the City is trying > > to use 'homeland security' as an excuse to destroy > > Meigs without notice," said Goodstein. "Of all of > > the possible things they could do, that's the worst > > possible for public security. If there is a security > > issue at an airport, you work with the users to > > resolve it in the least disruptive manner, you don't > > destroy millions of dollars of taxpayer property." > > > > > > > > The Friends of Meigs Field have > > repeatedly pointed out that-not only does Meigs > > Field regularly handle medevac flights and air-sea > > rescue operations for the lakefront and downtown > > high rises-it also is the facility responsible for > > control of all air traffic over downtown Chicago. > > "Meigs Field is what protects us from what the Mayor > > fears," said Goodstein. Meigs Field's control tower > > controls all traffic within 4 miles of downtown > > Chicago. Also, since September 11, 2001, security > > has been tighter at Meigs than at any other small > > airport in the state. > > > > FMI: www.friendsofmeigs.org, > > mayordaley@ci.chi.il.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get ANN's Free News Ticker > > We have designed a small "portable" News > > Ticker that will offer current ANN headlines about > > what is happening in the aviation world. It can be > > copied to virtually any Web site (including YOURS!) > > on the Internet by simply requesting the code and > > permissions from us. In addition to staying abreast > > of the latest headlines, you can click on any one of > > these News Tickers, no matter who's site it is on, > > and then go directly to ANN to read the news, > > in-depth, anytime you choose. 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    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Magneto coils
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> Corky, This is a great idea, we do this normally with starters, old generators, etc., New electronic and Computer systems are making this art (parts rebuilding) a lots of harm. If the job is done carefully, (is easy to do it right) they will work like new. Saludos Gary Gower --- Seibert Bob-r18643 <Bob.Seibert@motorola.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643 > <Bob.Seibert@motorola.com> > > Corky- > Here is a guy who will rewind your coils. > Per his website info, NOS Bendix coils all have problems. The > solution is to rewind the old ones. > Of course, he can do that for you for a nominal fee. > http://www.magnetoparts.com/ <http://www.magnetoparts.com/> > Regards, > Bob Seibert > (Still rib stitching in Texas) > > > > > > > > http://tax.yahoo.com


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    Time: 08:34:21 AM PST US
    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Magneto coils (Meigs Field)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> --- Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: (snip) > BTW, Group, with all the messages flying around about Meigs Field & > rotten > politicians, police states, etc, are we saying that political > discussions > are OK on this list? Just wondering. > > Cheers! > > Kip Gardner > > North Canton, OH > Kip, Buy the way, destruction of any airefield ALL OVER the world, and all effort to prevent it to happen again, I THINK IS 100% AVIATION RELATED. Saludos Gary Gower My last comment about Meigs Do not archive http://tax.yahoo.com


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    Time: 08:45:52 AM PST US
    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Magneto coils
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> Corky, You are great, your postings are just wonderfull, is an honor to know you. Saludos GaryGower. --- Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Oh, I forgot to mention that my son and son in law are both > attorneys. > > Corky, wading around in the legal swamp of La > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > http://tax.yahoo.com


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    Time: 11:18:35 AM PST US
    From: Scott Haggenmacher <ssfly@prodigy.net>
    Subject: plans
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Scott Haggenmacher <ssfly@prodigy.net> would any one on this list have a set of used pietenpol plans for sale thanks scott


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    Time: 02:09:11 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: plans
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Scott, You may want to consider sending Don Pietenpol an E-mail requesting his plans availability. His E-mail is pietenpoldon@juno.com Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Haggenmacher" <ssfly@prodigy.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: plans > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Scott Haggenmacher <ssfly@prodigy.net> > > > would any one on this list have a set of used pietenpol plans for sale > > thanks scott > >


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    Time: 02:48:35 PM PST US
    From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
    Subject: Re: plans
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> Scott, Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Nice to keep giving support to the Pietenpol family. They could just as easily get out of the flying thing and leave the tradition high and dry. Just got back from flying all around the valley to the tune of 3/4 hours. Still pecking away at the 25 fly off hours. Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait, for phase 2. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: plans > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> > > Scott, > You may want to consider sending Don Pietenpol an E-mail requesting his > plans availability. His E-mail is pietenpoldon@juno.com > Alex Sloan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Haggenmacher" <ssfly@prodigy.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: plans > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Scott Haggenmacher > <ssfly@prodigy.net> > > > > > > would any one on this list have a set of used pietenpol plans for sale > > > > thanks scott > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:43:14 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> I'm at the point now in the project where I need to build the center wing section and bolt it up to my cabanes. I'm building the GN-1 variant which has a slightly different method of attaching the wing than a Piet. It uses .065" 4130 steel plates that bolt to both sides of the center section spar and also to the wing spar. The plates stick out past the spars and have a hole in them where you slip a bolt through to join the center section and wing plates. My problem is in cutting these plates. I do not have a slow speed metal band saw and I'm not sure even if I did I'd want to cut the 4130 myself. So I drew up the plates in a CAD format and was going to have a laser cutting shop cut them out for me. I just got the quote from a couple places today. Anywhere from $25 to $35 a piece. There are 16 pieces total. That's $400 to $560 for wing spar plates!!?* WAY too much if you ask me. So I got to thinking. What's the problem if I use .19" (3/16) 7075 T6 aluminum? I can use my carbide wood cutting equipment to mill them out myself. I did a bit of research and found that if I tripled the thickness, 7075 T6 aluminum would be equal to or stonger than 4130 in tensile and shear strength. If I do it in aluminum I save myself about $350. I can sure use that extra $$ to get a carb (see http://www.aeroconversions.com/images/Aero_Carb_032701.jpg ) for my Corvair. I'll go 4130 steel, but I need a better(cheaper) solution to cutting them... otherwise it's 7075 T6. Gimme some feedback on this... DJ Vegh N74DV imagedv.com/aircamper Mesa, AZ This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 04:21:39 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com D J Sir, First, where did you get your 4130 plate? Check with them and see if they will cut your strips for you. I buy ALL my structual stuff from Wicks. I tell them how many 1 in pieces of 9 inches etc. and what thickness. They figured all my fitting steel and sizes, and CUT it to dimensions for a small shop fee. That's the route I would suggest. If the place you bought your steel will not serve you tell the net and we will put the big Pietenpol hiss on them. One Mayor Daley is enough, really tooooooo much. Corky in La where politics are NEVER discussed I chose Wicks because the saleslady was so much nicer than those California cats.


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    Time: 04:43:35 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Corky, if it were just cutting 4130 strips to size that would be no problem. The thing that makes it difficult is the parts I need cut are very specific in shape. see picture of a fitting here: www.imagedv.com/aircamper/center-wing-fitting-front.gif cutting these from 4130 is a pain in the rear. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Isablcorky@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > D J Sir, > First, where did you get your 4130 plate? Check with them and see if they > will cut your strips for you. I buy ALL my structual stuff from Wicks. I tell > them how many 1 in pieces of 9 inches etc. and what thickness. They figured > all my fitting steel and sizes, and CUT it to dimensions for a small shop > fee. That's the route I would suggest. If the place you bought your steel > will not serve you tell the net and we will put the big Pietenpol hiss on > them. One Mayor Daley is enough, really tooooooo much. > > Corky in La where politics are NEVER discussed > > I chose Wicks because the saleslady was so much nicer than those California > cats. This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.


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    Time: 04:47:20 PM PST US
    From: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net> DJ With about 14 years in the aircraft structures, I think you will be more than safe with the 7075 - T6 at 3/16. My piet will have all aluminum parts with comparative strengths and size. (I have a bunch of titanium bolts I am going to use as well.) Just watch the ED and corner radius. and most important make sure you do some VERY good Corrosion treating prevention. My piet model has covering on it. waiting for the wheels checkout my page John ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > I'm at the point now in the project where I need to build the center wing > section and bolt it up to my cabanes. > > I'm building the GN-1 variant which has a slightly different method of > attaching the wing than a Piet. It uses .065" 4130 steel plates that bolt > to both sides of the center section spar and also to the wing spar. The > plates stick out past the spars and have a hole in them where you slip a > bolt through to join the center section and wing plates. > > My problem is in cutting these plates. I do not have a slow speed metal > band saw and I'm not sure even if I did I'd want to cut the 4130 myself. So > I drew up the plates in a CAD format and was going to have a laser cutting > shop cut them out for me. > > I just got the quote from a couple places today. Anywhere from $25 to $35 a > piece. There are 16 pieces total. That's $400 to $560 for wing spar > plates!!?* > > WAY too much if you ask me. So I got to thinking. What's the problem if I > use .19" (3/16) 7075 T6 aluminum? I can use my carbide wood cutting > equipment to mill them out myself. I did a bit of research and found that > if I tripled the thickness, 7075 T6 aluminum would be equal to or stonger > than 4130 in tensile and shear strength. > > If I do it in aluminum I save myself about $350. I can sure use that extra > $$ to get a carb (see > http://www.aeroconversions.com/images/Aero_Carb_032701.jpg ) for my Corvair. > > I'll go 4130 steel, but I need a better(cheaper) solution to cutting them... > otherwise it's 7075 T6. > > Gimme some feedback on this... > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > imagedv.com/aircamper > Mesa, AZ > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > >


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    Time: 05:42:06 PM PST US
    From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg@peganet.com>
    Subject: Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg@peganet.com> Bench vise and 24 tooth hacksaw blades work good. Extra benefits are muscle tone and saved cash. DickG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> > > I'm at the point now in the project where I need to build the center wing > section and bolt it up to my cabanes. > > I'm building the GN-1 variant which has a slightly different method of > attaching the wing than a Piet. It uses .065" 4130 steel plates that bolt > to both sides of the center section spar and also to the wing spar. The > plates stick out past the spars and have a hole in them where you slip a > bolt through to join the center section and wing plates. > > My problem is in cutting these plates. I do not have a slow speed metal > band saw and I'm not sure even if I did I'd want to cut the 4130 myself. So > I drew up the plates in a CAD format and was going to have a laser cutting > shop cut them out for me. > > I just got the quote from a couple places today. Anywhere from $25 to $35 a > piece. There are 16 pieces total. That's $400 to $560 for wing spar > plates!!?* > > WAY too much if you ask me. So I got to thinking. What's the problem if I > use .19" (3/16) 7075 T6 aluminum? I can use my carbide wood cutting > equipment to mill them out myself. I did a bit of research and found that > if I tripled the thickness, 7075 T6 aluminum would be equal to or stonger > than 4130 in tensile and shear strength. > > If I do it in aluminum I save myself about $350. I can sure use that extra > $$ to get a carb (see > http://www.aeroconversions.com/images/Aero_Carb_032701.jpg ) for my Corvair. > > I'll go 4130 steel, but I need a better(cheaper) solution to cutting them... > otherwise it's 7075 T6. > > Gimme some feedback on this... > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > imagedv.com/aircamper > Mesa, AZ > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>. > >


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    Time: 06:19:05 PM PST US
    From: "Ian Holland" <iholland@telusplanet.net>
    Subject: Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ian Holland" <iholland@telusplanet.net> That is half the fun. If you chuck a piece of hacksaw blade (ground to shape)in a jig saw, you would be surprised at how fast you can cut them out. A little dressing with a file and you are done. Net cost basically zero if you use old hack saw blades 32 teeth per inch as the ends hardly ever get damaged or dulled. Save the $350, as there are other areas where you will need it. -=Ian=-


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    Time: 07:28:30 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com D J Sir, Don't forget about a slow 20 per inch 1/4 in metal band saw blade. Corky


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    Time: 07:47:51 PM PST US
    From: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net> DJ looks like everyone wants you to use steel. I am still going to use aluminum. john ----- Original Message ----- From: <Isablcorky@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > D J Sir, > > Don't forget about a slow 20 per inch 1/4 in metal band saw blade. > Corky > >




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