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1. 01:13 AM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (clif)
2. 01:33 AM - Re: Fw: Propwash (Meigs Field) (clif)
3. 04:46 AM - Piet Plans are On-Line (Michael D Cuy)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (Carl Loar)
5. 07:07 AM - Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel (DJ Vegh)
6. 09:36 AM - Kit planes or Scratch Built ? (Michael D Cuy)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: Kit planes or Scratch Built ? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
8. 10:59 AM - Re: Kit planes or Scratch Built ? (John_Duprey@vmed.org)
9. 11:18 AM - Re: Kit planes or Scratch Built ? (Carl Loar)
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| Subject: | Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Buy a 5" side grinder, install it in a table, mount a
stainless steel cutoff wheel ( they last longer )and
have at it. All the straight cuts will be easy and
the curved one can be handled with a little thought.
I bought one of those cheap chinese ones and it
has already given me yeoman service. I made up
a rube goldberg table from scrap angle iron and
strip.( old bedrails ).
I know you love building jigs and tools!
----- Original Message -----
> cutting these from 4130 is a pain in the rear.
>
> DJ
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Propwash (Meigs Field) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
I didn't know Capone had children.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Propwash (Meigs Field)
> > > > > > Aero-News Alert: Meigs Field Destroyed
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| Subject: | Piet Plans are On-Line |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Anyone who needs/wants Piet plans can get all the info they need at the
Pietenpol Family web site.
Go here: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
Mike C.
please archive
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| Subject: | Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
DJ,,, Sounds like you made up your mind on aluminum but I thought I'd throw
my 2 cents in here.
If you have a air compressor, you can get a air cut off tool from Harbor
Freight or Home Depot for
cheap ( around 30$) and a couple of packs of 3 inch cutoff disks. After
cutting, you can use them to
shape the metal too. The new disks cut the large pieces and the worn smaller
disks can be used to
get in smaller areas. Also, you don't need to cut all the way thru,, score
the metal down and bend the
metal up and down and it will break easy. Using the cut off and bench
grinder ( right angle grinder is handy
too ) you can get any shape you want.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> Corky,
>
> if it were just cutting 4130 strips to size that would be no problem. The
> thing that makes it difficult is the parts I need cut are very specific in
> shape. see picture of a fitting here:
>
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper/center-wing-fitting-front.gif
>
> cutting these from 4130 is a pain in the rear.
>
> DJ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
>
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
> >
> > D J Sir,
> > First, where did you get your 4130 plate? Check with them and see if
they
> > will cut your strips for you. I buy ALL my structual stuff from Wicks. I
> tell
> > them how many 1 in pieces of 9 inches etc. and what thickness. They
> figured
> > all my fitting steel and sizes, and CUT it to dimensions for a small
shop
> > fee. That's the route I would suggest. If the place you bought your
steel
> > will not serve you tell the net and we will put the big Pietenpol hiss
on
> > them. One Mayor Daley is enough, really tooooooo much.
> >
> > Corky in La where politics are NEVER discussed
> >
> > I chose Wicks because the saleslady was so much nicer than those
> California
> > cats.
>
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| Subject: | Re: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Carl,
I like this idea..... I'll get one of those air cut off tools from Home
Depot and try it out. If I don't like it at least I'll have a cut off tool
which is handy to have anyways.
will report back with my progress after I get back from vacation on
Wednesday.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
www.raptoronline.com
Mesa, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: substituting 7075 T6 aluminum for 4130 steel
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
>
> DJ,,, Sounds like you made up your mind on aluminum but I thought I'd
throw
> my 2 cents in here.
> If you have a air compressor, you can get a air cut off tool from Harbor
> Freight or Home Depot for
> cheap ( around 30$) and a couple of packs of 3 inch cutoff disks. After
> cutting, you can use them to
> shape the metal too. The new disks cut the large pieces and the worn
smaller
> disks can be used to
> get in smaller areas. Also, you don't need to cut all the way thru,, score
> the metal down and bend the
> metal up and down and it will break easy. Using the cut off and bench
> grinder ( right angle grinder is handy
> too ) you can get any shape you want.
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| Subject: | Kit planes or Scratch Built ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Group-- It's raining here at lunchtime so I'm going to ramble some. You
guys out there building, like DJ asking about fabricating metal fittings,
are really a unique group. You know how many tinker-toy kit planes you
could have chosen to build that would go together with your regular shop
tools more quickly with minimal sweat ? Lots. Anybody choosing to
build a plane like a Piet and GN-1 and seeing it thru to the finish to me
comes from a different breed--and I think a better breed. You guys deserve
lots of credit for MAKING your own fittings out of sheet, strip, or bar
stock. For learning how to weld, braze, cut, drill, countersink, edge
clean, etc. Making those 4130 fittings was really, really tough work but
after it's done you've learned so much more than the kit plane
builder. I'm guilty of buying stuff somebody else made---my fuel tank, my
ribs, and such, but the blood and guts we built, you built, and you
learned. I can now make up fixtures at work that previously we would have
had to farm out and wait weeks for. When the neighbor's lawnmower needed
a bracket welded, I could fix it for them. You get so much more out of
scratch building I think. Sure, I'd love to slap $$$ down for a go-fast
composite to compliment the low and slow Piet, but most of us don't have
that kind of money. I LOVE RV's like of planes, but how many rows of
those at Oshkosh do you walk right by. BUT......come upon a Pietenpol or
a Dormoy Bathtub, or a Pober Pixie, or Fly-Baby. People stop !! They
know there aren't rows of these on the flightline so it draws them. Glad
to be in this group with you !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Kit planes or Scratch Built ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Mike,
For comments like that, we'd say down south that that's right white of you.
Corky, down south
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| Subject: | Re: Kit planes or Scratch Built ? |
04/04/2003 01:59:36 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org
Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>@matronics.com on 04/04/2003
12:35:52 PM
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kit planes or Scratch Built ?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Group-- It's raining here at lunchtime so I'm going to ramble some. You
guys out there building, like DJ asking about fabricating metal fittings,
are really a unique group. You know how many tinker-toy kit planes you
could have chosen to build that would go together with your regular shop
tools more quickly with minimal sweat ? Lots. Anybody choosing to
build a plane like a Piet and GN-1 and seeing it thru to the finish to me
comes from a different breed--and I think a better breed. You guys deserve
lots of credit for MAKING your own fittings out of sheet, strip, or bar
stock. For learning how to weld, braze, cut, drill, countersink, edge
clean, etc. Making those 4130 fittings was really, really tough work but
after it's done you've learned so much more than the kit plane
builder. I'm guilty of buying stuff somebody else made---my fuel tank, my
ribs, and such, but the blood and guts we built, you built, and you
learned. I can now make up fixtures at work that previously we would have
had to farm out and wait weeks for. When the neighbor's lawnmower needed
a bracket welded, I could fix it for them. You get so much more out of
scratch building I think. Sure, I'd love to slap $$$ down for a go-fast
composite to compliment the low and slow Piet, but most of us don't have
that kind of money. I LOVE RV's like of planes, but how many rows of
those at Oshkosh do you walk right by. BUT......come upon a Pietenpol or
a Dormoy Bathtub, or a Pober Pixie, or Fly-Baby. People stop !! They
know there aren't rows of these on the flightline so it draws them. Glad
to be in this group with you !
Mike C.
DITTO...
John Duprey
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| Subject: | Re: Kit planes or Scratch Built ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Here here Mike,,, what a school this project puts us thru. I would have had
a hard time building
a decent dog house before the piet. And the metal work,,, if someone 10
years ago that I would be
able to weld a landing gear or motor mount for an aircraft, I would have
thought they were nuts.
Just think, we move wings and engines to obtain correct weight and balance.
When you tell oldtimers
that ,they just scratch their heads. We were all lucky enough to have this
forum for help.
Kit planes,,, we don't need no stinkin kits to build planes. We do it the
old fashion way.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kit planes or Scratch Built ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Group-- It's raining here at lunchtime so I'm going to ramble some. You
> guys out there building, like DJ asking about fabricating metal fittings,
> are really a unique group. You know how many tinker-toy kit planes you
> could have chosen to build that would go together with your regular shop
> tools more quickly with minimal sweat ? Lots. Anybody choosing to
> build a plane like a Piet and GN-1 and seeing it thru to the finish to me
> comes from a different breed--and I think a better breed. You guys
deserve
> lots of credit for MAKING your own fittings out of sheet, strip, or bar
> stock. For learning how to weld, braze, cut, drill, countersink, edge
> clean, etc. Making those 4130 fittings was really, really tough work but
> after it's done you've learned so much more than the kit plane
> builder. I'm guilty of buying stuff somebody else made---my fuel tank,
my
> ribs, and such, but the blood and guts we built, you built, and you
> learned. I can now make up fixtures at work that previously we would
have
> had to farm out and wait weeks for. When the neighbor's lawnmower needed
> a bracket welded, I could fix it for them. You get so much more out of
> scratch building I think. Sure, I'd love to slap $$$ down for a go-fast
> composite to compliment the low and slow Piet, but most of us don't have
> that kind of money. I LOVE RV's like of planes, but how many rows of
> those at Oshkosh do you walk right by. BUT......come upon a Pietenpol or
> a Dormoy Bathtub, or a Pober Pixie, or Fly-Baby. People stop !! They
> know there aren't rows of these on the flightline so it draws them. Glad
> to be in this group with you !
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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