Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 04/22/03


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 03:33 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/21/03 (rhartwig11@juno.com)
     2. 05:08 AM - Re: two firsts today,,,"visiting" and rain (John_Duprey@vmed.org)
     3. 06:09 AM - 1" over the Cont. engine mount plans (Michael D Cuy)
     4. 08:21 AM - Any Piet builders near So Cal. (Ken Hannan)
     5. 08:40 AM - Wing tank level sight guage.... (Jim Markle)
     6. 12:41 PM - Aileron Hinges (Barry Davis)
     7. 01:21 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Mike)
     8. 02:02 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (walter evans)
     9. 03:19 PM - ground looping and lose tailwheel cables (walter evans)
    10. 04:02 PM - Re: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables (Gene Rambo)
    11. 04:27 PM - Re: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables (Mike)
    12. 04:45 PM - Re: Carbon buildup (Dmott9@aol.com)
    13. 05:06 PM - Re: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables (John Carmen)
    14. 06:13 PM - Re: ground looping and loose tailwheel cables (Mike)
    15. 06:15 PM - Re: Wing tank level sight guage.... (Richard Navratril)
    16. 06:39 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Jack Phillips)
    17. 07:31 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Alex Sloan)
    18. 07:53 PM - Re: Wing LE & Landing gear placement (Ted Brousseau)
    19. 07:53 PM - Re: Wing tank level sight guage.... (Ted Brousseau)
    20. 07:53 PM - CG of Ford engine (Ted Brousseau)
    21. 10:48 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Rcaprd@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:33:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/21/03
    From: rhartwig11@juno.com
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com Mike, When you say that you, "moved my engine out only 1" over plans", do you mean that the rear of your Continental engine is 1" further from the firewall than the Model A would be? Dick H. Time: 12:45:29 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt wins the AWARD for light Piet !!!!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Man, Walt you are da man ! Empty Wt. of 595 pounds !!!!! Holy moly, that is fantastic. Looks like you'll be able to take an actual full size adult with you for rides this summer even on warm days. Great ! I ended up at 632 lbs. See--that adds up what you said about you moved your Cont. engine out 2" and the wing back 3". I moved my engine out only 1" over plans so had to go 4" back on the wing. Too look at our numbers I would now build an engine mount at 3" over plans and not have to move my wing back as far. Either way, they spell FUN. Mike C.


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    Time: 05:08:57 AM PST US
    From: John_Duprey@vmed.org
    Subject: Re: two firsts today,,,"visiting" and rain
    04/22/2003 08:08:42 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org Walt: That would be a ery cool project, keep us posted. John "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>@matronics.com on 04/18/2003 08:00:27 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com cc: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: two firsts today,,,"visiting" and rain --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> Ken, Funny how human nature is. The grass is always greener on the other side, you know. It's nice to fly, but get that day that is dreary, and I long for a project to work on. I WILL have a project by this fall. Aronca C-3 , if I can find some infro on them. Want to build one from scratch. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: two firsts today,,,"visiting" and rain > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca> > > Way to go Walt.. > > Just finished my rudder and vertical fin. Elevators laid out and wil be > glued up this weekend. Can't wait until I can report 8 down 17 to go. > > Ken > > GN1 2992 > > > Earning is fast and fun with Free Store Club! Get an online SUPER STORE > FREE! Start saving BIG! Start earning BIG! It's NEW, FREE, and HOT! > http://729192049.freestoreclub.com > > --- Free Travel Accommodations --- > 3 days, 2 night accommodations at any of 19 prime locations. Why pay > high costs? Get Yours Before This Free Offer Expires - Click Here > http://www.referralware.com/home.jsp/729192049 > Go to free Bonuses > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> > To: "piet discussion" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: two firsts today,,,"visiting" and rain > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" > <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> > > > > With spring comming late and the wind we've been having, knew I had to do > drastic measures. Today started with a breeze and overcast skies. Plenty > of ceiling but threat of rain. > > got into my snowmobile suit, and away I went. after a few trips around > the valley, broke out and headed up to Sussex Airport. This is allowed by > my DAR cause we don't have fuel at my home base. > > A big whopping 15 miles or so. Trip went great. > > Nice to taxi on a tarmac that the Pietenpol hasn't been on before. > > It was great to pull up , with no one outside, and as soon as I climbed > out, people came out of the woodwork. Couple of guys I knew, and a couple > that I didn't. All amazed at the Pietenpol look and story. One of the > guys was Paul Styger <sp> who owns Sussex Airport, and puts on the famous > Sussex Airshow. Asked me if I would be in the show, cause they are having > an antique fly-by for the 100th aniversary of flight. Anyone else within > flying distance of here may keep this in mind to participate. > > On the way back I detoured a little to fly over my Mentors house. > > Then as I headed for home, looked and the windshields were cloudy. > Realized it was rain. So all the way back flew in a light rain with the top > of my head getting wet. > > An exciting day. Now the fun is starting that I dreamed about since the > first day I started laying out longerons,,,The adventures of "visiting" > > To all of you who are building,,,keep plugging. It's gets better that you > can ever imagine. > > walt > > NX140DL > > I'm still smiling > > 8 hours down, and 17 to go. > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:09:18 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: 1" over the Cont. engine mount plans
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> >Mike, >When you say that you, "moved my engine out only 1" over plans", do you >mean that the rear of your Continental engine is 1" further from the >firewall than the Model A would be? >Dick H. Dick---Good point. I'm talking about the Cont. 65 motor mount plans in reference to how far out 'over plans' I moved my engine, not the Model A motor mount. Glad you cleared that up. I should have been more specific. Mike C.


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    Time: 08:21:01 AM PST US
    From: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net>
    Subject: Any Piet builders near So Cal.
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Hannan" <isp.inc@verizon.net> Looking for peit builders in the southern California area? after 3 years of not working on it, time to start again. Thanks Ken Hannan Temecula, Ca


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    Time: 08:40:26 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Wing tank level sight guage....
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Building a wing tank? I just got off the phone with a local pressure vessel distributor. My hope was that he might supply my fuel level guage sight glass. I'm using a level guage like the one Larry Williams and others have used and was detailed in a previous Brodhead Pietenpol Association newsletter. Anyway, all the clear plastic tubing I've found turns yellow when immersed in gasoline. So after FINALLY getting him to understand what I'm trying to do, he asked why I'm building it and not buying it already made? After all my usual "nothing like this is made" explanations, he said that yes, something like that IS made and costs around $40. The one he showed me is made of brass and looks like a perfect solution! I'm going to make mine, but if anyone is interested, here's what he recommended: Top Vented Guages, Model 387 or Model 328. Many lengths and NPT sizes are available and illustrated at: <http://www.johnernst.com/liquid_level_gauges_p32.html> Pretty neat option actually, if you want something built out of brass and ready for harsh environments, this might fit the bill.... They even list one that's 12" long that could be turned over and used for a fuse tank..... Jim in Plano NX25JM Doing a LOT of varnishing these days, the center section is almost done and I'm having EXTREME fun building this thing!!!! What a joy...... Build Log: <http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=52>


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    Time: 12:41:15 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Aileron Hinges
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> We are trying to decide between strap hinges as shown on the plans or piano hinges. We went to a fameous Home stuff superstore and loked at the piano hinges, flimsly. The strap hinges looked ok, but were hot dip gavalinazed, can't weld. What is a Piet builder to do? Are there any sources for 3" strap hinges that are not plated? Barry Davis


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    Time: 01:21:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinges
    From: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net> Barry, For non-flimsy piano hinges (extruded and very robust), go to http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/pianohinge.php Besides being stronger and easier to align than three or four strap hinges, piano hinges offer the extra benefit of effectively sealing the aileron gap which provides better aileron response, especially at low speed. There are other online sources besides AS&S. on 4/22/03 12:40, Barry Davis at bed@mindspring.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> > > We are trying to decide between strap hinges as shown on the plans or piano > hinges. We went to a fameous Home stuff superstore and loked at the piano > hinges, flimsly. The strap hinges looked ok, but were hot dip gavalinazed, > can't weld. What is a Piet builder to do? Are there any sources for 3" strap > hinges that are not plated? > Barry Davis >


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    Time: 02:02:26 PM PST US
    From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinges
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> Barry, I second this. Just have 11 hours on my Piet, and very happy with the piano hinges. I too bought the strap "barn door" hinges, but just couldn't bring myself to use them. Here is one of the very few changes I made from the original plans. I did have a big concern to a fact that was brought up during an earlier discussion on this. that the long hinge would bind during normal wing deflection. Where the wing is not flat but curved up at the tip during a steep turn. But up till now haven't run into that condition. I'm very satisfied with the Pianos. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net> > > Barry, > > For non-flimsy piano hinges (extruded and very robust), go to > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/pianohinge.php > > Besides being stronger and easier to align than three or four strap hinges, > piano hinges offer the extra benefit of effectively sealing the aileron gap > which provides better aileron response, especially at low speed. > There are other online sources besides AS&S. > > on 4/22/03 12:40, Barry Davis at bed@mindspring.com wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> > > > > We are trying to decide between strap hinges as shown on the plans or piano > > hinges. We went to a fameous Home stuff superstore and loked at the piano > > hinges, flimsly. The strap hinges looked ok, but were hot dip gavalinazed, > > can't weld. What is a Piet builder to do? Are there any sources for 3" strap > > hinges that are not plated? > > Barry Davis > > > >


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    Time: 03:19:19 PM PST US
    From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
    "piet discussion" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
    Subject: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> Had some problems with the plane getting away from me on landing. And found the tailwheel cables not tight. I know this was talked about earlier. Should the cables be tight to the springs? I'm flying a rudder bar as opposed to pedals. Trying to find where the weak spot is. (hopefully it's not me!) Any tips on landing a tailwheel with tall and narrow gear? If I break a wing, the flying season is over. thanks, walt


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    Time: 04:02:12 PM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
    Subject: Re: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com> Yes, the cables hould be reasonably tight although what you usually see with loose cables is shimmy. The only advice I'd give is KEEP THE STICK BACK . . . HARD. If you manage to break a high-wing on landing we are going to line up and take turns giving you a swift kick in the rear. Gene ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> > > Had some problems with the plane getting away from me on landing. And found the tailwheel cables not tight. I know this was talked about earlier. Should the cables be tight to the springs? > I'm flying a rudder bar as opposed to pedals. Trying to find where the weak spot is. (hopefully it's not me!) > Any tips on landing a tailwheel with tall and narrow gear? If I break a wing, the flying season is over. > thanks, > walt > >


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    Time: 04:27:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables
    From: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net> Walt, Loose control cables should be avoided everywhere. With loose cables, when you want to put in a corrective control input, there is a little bit of time lost in taking up the slack before your input is felt at the control, the tailwheel in this case. During that time, the deviation from your desired path grows larger, requiring more input than you originally put in. The possible subsequent over-control can cause more problems than the original deviation. (The technical term is pilot-induced oscillation, or PIO). There is no need to tune your rudder or tailwheel cables to C-sharp but there shouldn't be any slop. The springs are there partly to keep your toes and your rudder horn from getting broken when the tailwheel hits a rock or a gopher hole. In airplanes that don't have rudder bars or some other tie-in between the pedals, the slack is taken out by the weight of your feet on the pedals. Mike on 4/22/03 15:15, walter evans at wbeevans@worldnet.att.net wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" > <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> > > Had some problems with the plane getting away from me on landing. And found > the tailwheel cables not tight. I know this was talked about earlier. Should > the cables be tight to the springs? > I'm flying a rudder bar as opposed to pedals. Trying to find where the weak > spot is. (hopefully it's not me!) > Any tips on landing a tailwheel with tall and narrow gear? If I break a > wing, the flying season is over. > thanks, > walt >


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    Time: 04:45:30 PM PST US
    From: Dmott9@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Carbon buildup
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dmott9@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/03 7:35:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GeorgeA@paonline.com writes: > Hi group. I have an A-65 Cont. I'm doing a top on. Is there some secret > recipe for getting the carbon off the piston and the chamber? I'm afraid of > scratching them. I've tried Marvel Mystery Oil, but it doesn't seem to do > anything. It was a suggestion from an A&P Using a 3M type scratch pad (non-metalic) would work. Long as you don't create any deep scratches.


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    Time: 05:06:40 PM PST US
    From: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net> what if one put two independent rudder bars in place of the single bar, Sorta like hinged in the middle, thus allowing feet pressure to take up any slack. ??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net> > > Walt, > > Loose control cables should be avoided everywhere. With loose cables, when > you want to put in a corrective control input, there is a little bit of time > lost in taking up the slack before your input is felt at the control, the > tailwheel in this case. During that time, the deviation from your desired > path grows larger, requiring more input than you originally put in. The > possible subsequent over-control can cause more problems than the original > deviation. (The technical term is pilot-induced oscillation, or PIO). > > There is no need to tune your rudder or tailwheel cables to C-sharp but > there shouldn't be any slop. The springs are there partly to keep your toes > and your rudder horn from getting broken when the tailwheel hits a rock or a > gopher hole. > > In airplanes that don't have rudder bars or some other tie-in between the > pedals, the slack is taken out by the weight of your feet on the pedals. > > Mike > > on 4/22/03 15:15, walter evans at wbeevans@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" > > <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> > > > > Had some problems with the plane getting away from me on landing. And found > > the tailwheel cables not tight. I know this was talked about earlier. Should > > the cables be tight to the springs? > > I'm flying a rudder bar as opposed to pedals. Trying to find where the weak > > spot is. (hopefully it's not me!) > > Any tips on landing a tailwheel with tall and narrow gear? If I break a > > wing, the flying season is over. > > thanks, > > walt > > > >


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    Time: 06:13:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: ground looping and loose tailwheel cables
    From: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net> That would defeat the purpose of the rudder bar. Besides being a simple way to install rudder control, a bar also prevents a heavy-footed pilot from mashing so hard on the pedals that he (or she) breaks the rudder horn. A split rudder bar would be the same thing, in essence, as separate pedals. Mike on 4/22/03 17:05, John Carmen at jlcarmen@bellsouth.net wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net> > > what if one put two independent rudder bars in place of the single bar, > Sorta like hinged in the middle, thus allowing feet pressure to take up any > slack. ??????? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ground looping and lose tailwheel cables > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net> >> >> Walt, >> >> Loose control cables should be avoided everywhere. With loose cables, > when >> you want to put in a corrective control input, there is a little bit of > time >> lost in taking up the slack before your input is felt at the control, the >> tailwheel in this case. During that time, the deviation from your desired >> path grows larger, requiring more input than you originally put in. The >> possible subsequent over-control can cause more problems than the original >> deviation. (The technical term is pilot-induced oscillation, or PIO). >> >> There is no need to tune your rudder or tailwheel cables to C-sharp but >> there shouldn't be any slop. The springs are there partly to keep your > toes >> and your rudder horn from getting broken when the tailwheel hits a rock or > a >> gopher hole. >> >> In airplanes that don't have rudder bars or some other tie-in between the >> pedals, the slack is taken out by the weight of your feet on the pedals. >>


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    Time: 06:15:24 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing tank level sight guage....
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net> I bought a Stearman guage from ACS and cut it down to fit my tank. I had to re-tap the plug and shorten the wire to the cork but it works fine. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing tank level sight guage.... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > Building a wing tank? I just got off the phone with a local pressure vessel distributor. My hope was that he might supply my fuel level guage sight glass. I'm using a level guage like the one Larry Williams and others have used and was detailed in a previous Brodhead Pietenpol Association newsletter. > > Anyway, all the clear plastic tubing I've found turns yellow when immersed in gasoline. So after FINALLY getting him to understand what I'm trying to do, he asked why I'm building it and not buying it already made? After all my usual "nothing like this is made" explanations, he said that yes, something like that IS made and costs around $40. > > The one he showed me is made of brass and looks like a perfect solution! I'm going to make mine, but if anyone is interested, here's what he recommended: > Top Vented Guages, Model 387 or Model 328. Many lengths and NPT sizes are available and illustrated at: > > <http://www.johnernst.com/liquid_level_gauges_p32.html> > > Pretty neat option actually, if you want something built out of brass and ready for harsh environments, this might fit the bill.... They even list one that's 12" long that could be turned over and used for a fuse tank..... > > Jim in Plano > NX25JM > Doing a LOT of varnishing these days, the center section is almost done and I'm having EXTREME fun building this thing!!!! What a joy...... > Build Log: <http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=52> > >


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    Time: 06:39:46 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Aileron Hinges
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Check out MS20001 aluminum piano hinges. They are very strong, light weight, and will seal the gap between the ailerons and the wing. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> We are trying to decide between strap hinges as shown on the plans or piano hinges. We went to a fameous Home stuff superstore and loked at the piano hinges, flimsly. The strap hinges looked ok, but were hot dip gavalinazed, can't weld. What is a Piet builder to do? Are there any sources for 3" strap hinges that are not plated? Barry Davis


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    Time: 07:31:10 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinges
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Walt, Are your hinges aluminum or steel? Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> > > Barry, > I second this. Just have 11 hours on my Piet, and very happy with the piano > hinges. I too bought the strap "barn door" hinges, but just couldn't bring > myself to use them. Here is one of the very few changes I made from the > original plans. > I did have a big concern to a fact that was brought up during an earlier > discussion on this. that the long hinge would bind during normal wing > deflection. Where the wing is not flat but curved up at the tip during a > steep turn. But up till now haven't run into that condition. I'm very > satisfied with the Pianos. > walt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net> > > > > Barry, > > > > For non-flimsy piano hinges (extruded and very robust), go to > > > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/pianohinge.php > > > > Besides being stronger and easier to align than three or four strap > hinges, > > piano hinges offer the extra benefit of effectively sealing the aileron > gap > > which provides better aileron response, especially at low speed. > > There are other online sources besides AS&S. > > > > on 4/22/03 12:40, Barry Davis at bed@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> > > > > > > We are trying to decide between strap hinges as shown on the plans or > piano > > > hinges. We went to a fameous Home stuff superstore and loked at the > piano > > > hinges, flimsly. The strap hinges looked ok, but were hot dip > gavalinazed, > > > can't weld. What is a Piet builder to do? Are there any sources for 3" > strap > > > hinges that are not plated? > > > Barry Davis > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:53:11 PM PST US
    From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing LE & Landing gear placement
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net> Thanks Mike, One more question on landing gear. What wood did you use for the landing gear struts? Plans call for spruce. I am inclined to use ash. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing LE & Landing gear placement > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net> > >Mike, > >Thanks for that info on placement of the gear. Could you add where the > >front of the wing, or CG falls in relation to the fire wall? This would be > >most helpful for all people no matter which version they were building. > > Ted- I confirmed over the weekend that my axle is exactly 20" behind the > firewall (just like Sky Gypsy) but with my fuselage > being the shorter 1933 version and Frank's Sky Gypsy being the longer 1966 > version. Both handle just fine on the ground and during takeoff and > landing with this gear placement. I use brakes, Frank does > not. (tailskid) I'd have to go back out and measure my wing LE aft of the > fuselage but I can tell you that my wing is slanted back 4" aft of vertical > with regard to the cabane upright struts. We all have to place the wing in > a position that suites our needs best--engine choice, pilot weight, tail > weight, etc. Even among the 65 Cont. crowd I can cite 3 different Piets w/ > 3 different wing slant-back measurements. Steve E. in Utah has his wing > back SIX inches. He's bigger than me by a bit. Mine is 4" aft, and thin > Frank w/ no tailwheel has his wing back something like 2.5 or 3"....so > gotta pick the number that puts your CG right. > > Mike C. > >


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    Time: 07:53:14 PM PST US
    From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing tank level sight guage....
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net> Dick, Where did you put the gauge? Does it interfere with the passenger getting in and out? I would love to have a stearman type gauge. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing tank level sight guage.... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net> > > I bought a Stearman guage from ACS and cut it down to fit my tank. I had to > re-tap the plug and shorten the wire to the cork but it works fine. > Dick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing tank level sight guage.... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle > <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > > > Building a wing tank? I just got off the phone with a local pressure > vessel distributor. My hope was that he might supply my fuel level guage > sight glass. I'm using a level guage like the one Larry Williams and others > have used and was detailed in a previous Brodhead Pietenpol Association > newsletter. > > > > Anyway, all the clear plastic tubing I've found turns yellow when immersed > in gasoline. So after FINALLY getting him to understand what I'm trying to > do, he asked why I'm building it and not buying it already made? After all > my usual "nothing like this is made" explanations, he said that yes, > something like that IS made and costs around $40. > > > > The one he showed me is made of brass and looks like a perfect solution! > I'm going to make mine, but if anyone is interested, here's what he > recommended: > > Top Vented Guages, Model 387 or Model 328. Many lengths and NPT sizes are > available and illustrated at: > > > > <http://www.johnernst.com/liquid_level_gauges_p32.html> > > > > Pretty neat option actually, if you want something built out of brass and > ready for harsh environments, this might fit the bill.... They even list one > that's 12" long that could be turned over and used for a fuse tank..... > > > > Jim in Plano > > NX25JM > > Doing a LOT of varnishing these days, the center section is almost done > and I'm having EXTREME fun building this thing!!!! What a joy...... > > Build Log: > <http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=52> > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:53:16 PM PST US
    From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
    Subject: CG of Ford engine
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net> Does anyone have the weight and where the CG of a Model A engine is? I have estimated so as to try and adjust my motor mount for a Continental but would feel better if I had the exact numbers. Thanks, Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1" over the Cont. engine mount plans > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > >Mike, > >When you say that you, "moved my engine out only 1" over plans", do you > >mean that the rear of your Continental engine is 1" further from the > >firewall than the Model A would be? > >Dick H. > > Dick---Good point. I'm talking about the Cont. 65 motor mount plans in > reference to how far out 'over plans' I moved my engine, not the Model A > motor mount. Glad you cleared that up. I should have been more specific. > > Mike C. > >


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    Time: 10:48:21 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Aileron Hinges
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 4/22/03 2:44:07 PM Central Daylight Time, bed@mindspring.com writes: << --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> We are trying to decide between strap hinges as shown on the plans or piano hinges. We went to a fameous Home stuff superstore and loked at the piano hinges, flimsly. The strap hinges looked ok, but were hot dip gavalinazed, can't weld. What is a Piet builder to do? Are there any sources for 3" strap hinges that are not plated? Barry Davis >> Barry, I used the 3" barn door strap hinges on the ailerons. No welding required. Bend, drill, and pre-fit the hinges, before cutting the aileron free from the wing. Naturally, I replaced the aluminum pin with AN bolt that had enough shank length, cut off the threads, and drilled it for a split pin. I then put a 3" strip of edging tape along the gap, before paint. Worked well. Very good aileron response. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG




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