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1. 04:58 AM - Re: Re-Certify NX770CG (Michael D Cuy)
2. 06:10 AM - to flop or not to flop (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 06:22 AM - Flop (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
4. 07:37 AM - Promise (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: Re-Certify NX770CG (Michael Conkling)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: Promise (cat_designs@juno.com)
7. 08:09 AM - Re: Re-Certify NX770CG (TomTravis@aol.com)
8. 09:21 AM - Re: Promise (Richard Navratril)
9. 10:05 AM - Re: Promise (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 10:14 AM - Aileron Gap Seal (Ken Rickards)
11. 10:55 AM - Re: Aileron Gap Seal (DJ Vegh)
12. 02:09 PM - Re: Promise (Cy Galley)
13. 07:26 PM - Re: Promise (Ted Brousseau)
14. 07:26 PM - Motor mount hole sizes (Ted Brousseau)
15. 07:44 PM - Re: Motor mount hole sizes (Christian Bobka)
16. 09:11 PM - Re: Aileron Gap Seal (John McNarry)
17. 09:13 PM - Re: Bolts for A-65 (Christian Bobka)
18. 10:07 PM - Re: Promise (Roger & Kathy Green)
19. 11:18 PM - Re: Motor mount hole sizes (clif)
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| Subject: | Re: Re-Certify NX770CG |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Chuck---I have forwarded your e-mail to our local MIDO office Chief to see
what advice he can give.
Will forward the info to you direct as soon as I hear from him.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | to flop or not to flop |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Corky wrote:
>BPH must have been some long legged Yankee.
I don't know about the length of his legs, but in the most recent EAA
Experimenter, William Wynne pointed out that if you stood Ed Heath, Bernard
Pietenpol, and Ken Rand on each others' heads, they would only stand 16 feet
tall altogether. Lay off that crawfish etoufee, Corky!
Oscar Zuniga (do not archive)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Hello Walt: I'm 5' 6" and around 185 or so. (come on Atkins diet!)
Besides the weight savings, I'm counting on my short size to make to
easier for me to scrunch under the wing and get into the rear pit. I
have set in Chuck Ganzer's Piet and it wasn't that bad. My biggest
problem is hiking my leg high enough to start the entry procedure. I
like Corky's idea about the step. I'm going to look into that. I did
raise my cabanes by 2". I was at EAA last Sat. night when the DAR
lowered the boom on Chuck about needing to recertify. If anyone ever
needed a hug, it was poor Chuck. I just wasn't man enough to do
it....it's a guy thing. Leon S.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
This is my promise to you. This will be my last negative letter ever. I'm
totally fed up with the fedmen as pertains to the Sport Pilot situation. I
have yelled loud and clear about the reluctance of the feds giving up control
of anything. Examples, more restricted areas, more Moa s. Do any of you
honestly think those Drs in Oak City are going to sit back and surrender
their exaulted power without a fight? Get real.
To top it all off: Received my AOPA magazine yesterday. Look at pg 22, FAA
denies driver's license medical petition. The last paragraph is the subtle
hint of whats to come " In it's denial, the FAA indicated that there is still
some question about whether it will even allow the use of a driver's license
to meet the third class medical requirement for sport pilots". Since when has
the Sport pilot category been elevated into a third class category. It was
planned that it was to be a new and seperate pilot category. More beauros in
action. They remind me of worms and cock roaches, make their passages through
dirty cracks and slime while no one is watching.
Folks, if you want this Sport pilot thing passed you had best get out your
pen and ink and an address book of your congressmen, lick a few stamps and
bombard them with this Sport pilot affair. It is truly said that they pay no
attention to single letters or the ones which are memographed but when they
get at least five, handwritten they begin to take notice. Sad to say but we
live in a political world and all is governed that way. If you leave it
totally to those beauros it will only get worse.
This is my promise to you.
The only letter I will probably write in the future is an ad to sell the damn
thing.
You know who in La and I don't eat crawfish.
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| Subject: | Re: Re-Certify NX770CG |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
Hey Chuck!
Your Model "A" is still the way it was when we put in the back of my little
pick-up -- nothing has been disassembled -- as far as I'm concerned, you
still have "visitation rights" if you want to revert back to "A" power for
the next 14 hours -- otherwise, at the very least we'll have to make you a
really good "human element range extender" (coffee can or funnel) & make you
take a "vow of silence" (no standing around & talking when the weather is
good! ;-) till your 40 hours are flown!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re-Certify NX770CG
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> Well, it looks as though I have to re-certify my plane. This is not the
news
> I was hoping for. After a thorough inspection by an actual FAA guy last
> January, he passed it with flying colors, and gave me a 40 hr Phase 1 test
> period (non certified engine, and a home built prop that I made) and a 30
> mile radius around Benton. I then entered Phase 1 test period, and now
have
> about 26 hrs flight time. The ol' Model A engine didn't live up to my
> expectations, so I bit the bullet and about 5 months ago, began to change
it
> out for a Continental A65. It seems there is no accommodations during
this
> Phase 1 to allow for major alterations. The ironic thing is that once the
> hours are flown off, and Phase II is entered, there is accommodations for
a
> major alterations, and a 5 hr test period is required, during which Phase
1
> is re-entered. In other words, if I would have flown the Model A for 14
more
> hours, and signed it off to enter Phase II, I could have changed it out
for a
> Continental A65, and fly for 5 hours, without the need to re-certify.
This
> is a MAJOR set back for me. I now have to pay a DAR $500 to get back in
the
> air, and start my 40 hours of flight tests all over again because I'm
> building my prop for the Continental. I could possibly get the test
period
> down to 25 hours, If I spend another $700 to $1000 for a prop. This
thing
> has been a Money Pit. This also means that I probably won't be able to
make
> the flight to Brodhead / Oshkosh / Wheeling W V this year. I've been
planning
> on that flight for YEARS!! It seems as though I can see the light at the
> end of the tunnel for the past year, but all I've been doing is spinning
my
> wheels. Sorry about the whining, but I just had to vent...thanks for
> listening.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
Hey Corky, If you can't complain to your friends what good are they? Keep on venting
your frustrations. I'll listen. If it wasn't for you I wouldn't know anything
about this issue.
Wetting my tung to start licking more stamps.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
--- Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
This is my promise to you. This will be my last negative letter ever. I'm
totally fed up with the fedmen as pertains to the Sport Pilot situation. I
have yelled loud and clear about the reluctance of the feds giving up control
of anything. Examples, more restricted areas, more Moa s. Do any of you
honestly think those Drs in Oak City are going to sit back and surrender
their exaulted power without a fight? Get real.
To top it all off: Received my AOPA magazine yesterday. Look at pg 22, FAA
denies driver's license medical petition. The last paragraph is the subtle
hint of whats to come " In it's denial, the FAA indicated that there is still
some question about whether it will even allow the use of a driver's license
to meet the third class medical requirement for sport pilots". Since when has
the Sport pilot category been elevated into a third class category. It was
planned that it was to be a new and seperate pilot category. More beauros in
action. They remind me of worms and cock roaches, make their passages through
dirty cracks and slime while no one is watching.
Folks, if you want this Sport pilot thing passed you had best get out your
pen and ink and an address book of your congressmen, lick a few stamps and
bombard them with this Sport pilot affair. It is truly said that they pay no
attention to single letters or the ones which are memographed but when they
get at least five, handwritten they begin to take notice. Sad to say but we
live in a political world and all is governed that way. If you leave it
totally to those beauros it will only get worse.
This is my promise to you.
The only letter I will probably write in the future is an ad to sell the damn
thing.
You know who in La and I don't eat crawfish.
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| Subject: | Re: Re-Certify NX770CG |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
In a message dated 4/25/2003 9:42:20 AM Central Standard Time,
hpvs@southwind.net writes:
>
> Hey Chuck!
>
> Your Model "A" is still the way it was when we put in the back of my
> little
> pick-up -- nothing has been disassembled -- as far as I'm concerned, you
> still have "visitation rights" if you want to revert back to "A" power for
> the next 14 hours -- otherwise, at the very least we'll have to make you a
> really good "human element range extender" (coffee can or funnel) &make you
> take a "vow of silence" (no standing around &talking when the weather is
> good! ;-) till your 40 hours are flown!
>
> Mike C.
> Pretty Prairie, KS
>
You know folks, this is what I really like about this Piet group- just plain
good folks . Where else in today's world would a person get this kind of
offer?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Hold on a bit Corky
The rumors floating at SNF were the FAA to announce Sport Pilot at Oshgosh
this summer. I also got that from some in depth readings at AOPA.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Promise
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Pieters,
>
> This is my promise to you. This will be my last negative letter ever. I'm
> totally fed up with the fedmen as pertains to the Sport Pilot situation. I
> have yelled loud and clear about the reluctance of the feds giving up
control
> of anything. Examples, more restricted areas, more Moa s. Do any of you
> honestly think those Drs in Oak City are going to sit back and surrender
> their exaulted power without a fight? Get real.
> To top it all off: Received my AOPA magazine yesterday. Look at pg 22, FAA
> denies driver's license medical petition. The last paragraph is the subtle
> hint of whats to come " In it's denial, the FAA indicated that there is
still
> some question about whether it will even allow the use of a driver's
license
> to meet the third class medical requirement for sport pilots". Since when
has
> the Sport pilot category been elevated into a third class category. It was
> planned that it was to be a new and seperate pilot category. More beauros
in
> action. They remind me of worms and cock roaches, make their passages
through
> dirty cracks and slime while no one is watching.
> Folks, if you want this Sport pilot thing passed you had best get out your
> pen and ink and an address book of your congressmen, lick a few stamps and
> bombard them with this Sport pilot affair. It is truly said that they pay
no
> attention to single letters or the ones which are memographed but when
they
> get at least five, handwritten they begin to take notice. Sad to say but
we
> live in a political world and all is governed that way. If you leave it
> totally to those beauros it will only get worse.
> This is my promise to you.
> The only letter I will probably write in the future is an ad to sell the
damn
> thing.
>
> You know who in La and I don't eat crawfish.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Dick,
I promised I would not make anymore negatives so as we say down south," shut
muh mouth"
Y K W in La
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| Subject: | Aileron Gap Seal |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
The aileron design on the GN1 is somewhat different that of the Piet. This
design has about a 1" gap between the aileron support spar and the aileron.
D.J. has come up with an ingenious method of filling this gap, but I was
looking for something a little easier to build.
The Piet design allows the use of a piano hinge, thus negating the need for
a gap seal. Question? Has any GN1 builder modified the aileron design to
mimic that of the Piet design. If so, how easy was it to do? Seems to me
that the Piet design is just as easy to build and you would not have to
worry about sealing the gap!
Ken
GN1 2992
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Gap Seal |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Ken,
I agree.... I wish I would have thought of copying the Piet design before I made
my ribs.
I say do it that way.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Rickards
To: 'pietenpol-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Gap Seal
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
The aileron design on the GN1 is somewhat different that of the Piet. This
design has about a 1" gap between the aileron support spar and the aileron.
D.J. has come up with an ingenious method of filling this gap, but I was
looking for something a little easier to build.
The Piet design allows the use of a piano hinge, thus negating the need for
a gap seal. Question? Has any GN1 builder modified the aileron design to
mimic that of the Piet design. If so, how easy was it to do? Seems to me
that the Piet design is just as easy to build and you would not have to
worry about sealing the gap!
Ken
GN1 2992
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
It was the AOPA that muddied the waters by jumping in with their new
proposal on top of one already pending for the recreational pilot.
According to my sources in the EAA, the driver's license medical for sport
pilot is still a done deal. The AOPA is just bad mouthing as their me-too
proposal was shot down.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Promise
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Pieters,
>
> This is my promise to you. This will be my last negative letter ever. I'm
> totally fed up with the fedmen as pertains to the Sport Pilot situation. I
> have yelled loud and clear about the reluctance of the feds giving up
control
> of anything. Examples, more restricted areas, more Moa s. Do any of you
> honestly think those Drs in Oak City are going to sit back and surrender
> their exaulted power without a fight? Get real.
> To top it all off: Received my AOPA magazine yesterday. Look at pg 22, FAA
> denies driver's license medical petition. The last paragraph is the subtle
> hint of whats to come " In it's denial, the FAA indicated that there is
still
> some question about whether it will even allow the use of a driver's
license
> to meet the third class medical requirement for sport pilots". Since when
has
> the Sport pilot category been elevated into a third class category. It was
> planned that it was to be a new and seperate pilot category. More beauros
in
> action. They remind me of worms and cock roaches, make their passages
through
> dirty cracks and slime while no one is watching.
> Folks, if you want this Sport pilot thing passed you had best get out your
> pen and ink and an address book of your congressmen, lick a few stamps and
> bombard them with this Sport pilot affair. It is truly said that they pay
no
> attention to single letters or the ones which are memographed but when
they
> get at least five, handwritten they begin to take notice. Sad to say but
we
> live in a political world and all is governed that way. If you leave it
> totally to those beauros it will only get worse.
> This is my promise to you.
> The only letter I will probably write in the future is an ad to sell the
damn
> thing.
>
> You know who in La and I don't eat crawfish.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
I just read something from the EAA that leads me to believe that Congress
has already spoken and given the FAA only until this fall to get this thing
made into law.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Promise
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
<horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> Hold on a bit Corky
> The rumors floating at SNF were the FAA to announce Sport Pilot at Oshgosh
> this summer. I also got that from some in depth readings at AOPA.
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Promise
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
> >
> > Pieters,
> >
> > This is my promise to you. This will be my last negative letter ever.
I'm
> > totally fed up with the fedmen as pertains to the Sport Pilot situation.
I
> > have yelled loud and clear about the reluctance of the feds giving up
> control
> > of anything. Examples, more restricted areas, more Moa s. Do any of you
> > honestly think those Drs in Oak City are going to sit back and surrender
> > their exaulted power without a fight? Get real.
> > To top it all off: Received my AOPA magazine yesterday. Look at pg 22,
FAA
> > denies driver's license medical petition. The last paragraph is the
subtle
> > hint of whats to come " In it's denial, the FAA indicated that there is
> still
> > some question about whether it will even allow the use of a driver's
> license
> > to meet the third class medical requirement for sport pilots". Since
when
> has
> > the Sport pilot category been elevated into a third class category. It
was
> > planned that it was to be a new and seperate pilot category. More
beauros
> in
> > action. They remind me of worms and cock roaches, make their passages
> through
> > dirty cracks and slime while no one is watching.
> > Folks, if you want this Sport pilot thing passed you had best get out
your
> > pen and ink and an address book of your congressmen, lick a few stamps
and
> > bombard them with this Sport pilot affair. It is truly said that they
pay
> no
> > attention to single letters or the ones which are memographed but when
> they
> > get at least five, handwritten they begin to take notice. Sad to say but
> we
> > live in a political world and all is governed that way. If you leave it
> > totally to those beauros it will only get worse.
> > This is my promise to you.
> > The only letter I will probably write in the future is an ad to sell the
> damn
> > thing.
> >
> > You know who in La and I don't eat crawfish.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Motor mount hole sizes |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
More questions about the plans. I am in the process of building my
Continental motor mount. I just noticed that it calls for 7/16" holes for
the bolts that hold on the engine. It seems that when I visited Bert Conley
last month that he was complaining about his holes being 7/16" too. Aren't
the bolts supposed to be 3/8"? Is there a shim or something that makes up
the difference? Or, should the bolt holes be 3/8"?
Thanks,
Ted
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| Subject: | Motor mount hole sizes |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Ted,
You need to use 3/8" bolts to hold the engine to the mounts. The rubber
cones that come with the A-65 gasket set have 3/8" holes in them. The
Luscombe I have has 7/16" tubes on the motor mount and I need to figure out
a way to sleeve them so as to use a 3/8" bolt.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
Brousseau
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount hole sizes
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
More questions about the plans. I am in the process of building my
Continental motor mount. I just noticed that it calls for 7/16" holes for
the bolts that hold on the engine. It seems that when I visited Bert Conley
last month that he was complaining about his holes being 7/16" too. Aren't
the bolts supposed to be 3/8"? Is there a shim or something that makes up
the difference? Or, should the bolt holes be 3/8"?
Thanks,
Ted
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| Subject: | Aileron Gap Seal |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Ken
I have my GN-1 ribs tucked away waiting my return to the project. I see
no
reason at all not to install aileron spars as in the Piet design and the cut
the aileron free. The result should look as a Piet. I was disappointed when
I first realized the aileron hinge method Grega used.
Question for you flying guys
Has anyone got any evidence that the Model A rad mounting disturbs the air
flow over the center section? The talk about flops has me wondering.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Gap Seal
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Ken,
I agree.... I wish I would have thought of copying the Piet design before I
made my ribs.
I say do it that way.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Rickards
To: 'pietenpol-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Gap Seal
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
The aileron design on the GN1 is somewhat different that of the Piet.
This
design has about a 1" gap between the aileron support spar and the
aileron.
D.J. has come up with an ingenious method of filling this gap, but I was
looking for something a little easier to build.
The Piet design allows the use of a piano hinge, thus negating the need
for
a gap seal. Question? Has any GN1 builder modified the aileron design to
mimic that of the Piet design. If so, how easy was it to do? Seems to me
that the Piet design is just as easy to build and you would not have to
worry about sealing the gap!
Ken
GN1 2992
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"cessna" <Cessna-140@yahoogroups.com>,
"pietenpol" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | RE: Bolts for A-65 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Bert,
Interesting.
Looking at the parts catalog, the taylorcraft uses AN6-34 for motor to mount
and AN5-31 for mount to fuselage. I remember working on a friend's luscombe
about 15 years ago and there was no way the 7/16" were going to work so we
sleeved the 3/8 with some brass figuring the box the plane came in was
missing a few parts OR that old rubbers from Continental might have come
with a 7/16" hole unlike the ones you get today.
I just looked in the Luscombe catalog and it calls for AN7-37 for the motor
to mount so the tcraft and luscombe are different yet both use the same
rubbers....I would still use the 3/8". Some early luscombes actually used
5/16" for the mount to fuselage bolts and there are only three mounting
points for the luscombe so it is not a strength issue....
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Bert Conoly [mailto:bconoly@earthlink.net]
Subject: Bolts for A-65
Hello Chris:
The A-65 setup for a Cub is such that the engine-to-mount bolts are 7/16 and
the mount-to-firewall
bolts are 3/8. I don't know why. The holes in the rubber bushings feel
like they are 3/8 but really a 7/16 goes through them its just a REALLY snug
fit. I found this out at SNF and bought a bolt kit from Freeman Aviation
($28.00) and it had 4 AN7s and 4 AN6s along with the washers and nuts.
Bert
http://bconoly.tripod.com/
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Roger & Kathy Green <rgreen@libby.org>
Corky -
Please don't stop writing.
I always read your posts.
We need your opinions.
Random ROG
NX899RG - A lurker from NW Montana, where we can see our lawn again.
At 10:37 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
>Pieters,
>
>This is my promise to you. This will be my last negative letter ever.
>You know who in La and I don't eat crawfish.
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| Subject: | Re: Motor mount hole sizes |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Here's a possibility that may work.
Go to your local hobby shop and check out the
brass tubing. all the sizes slide into each other.
They're in 12" lengths. You'd probably need
4 sizes to go from 7/16od to 3/8id.
Would this hard brass be strong enough?
Also there is now stainless tubing also in 12"
lengths that does the same thing but the walls
are thicker. I'm not sure if that would get you
from 7/16 to 3/8 though.
Clif
----- Original Message ----- > cones that come with the A-65 gasket set have
3/8" holes in them. The
> Luscombe I have has 7/16" tubes on the motor mount and I need to figure
out
> a way to sleeve them so as to use a 3/8" bolt.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
>
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