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1. 04:15 AM - oil lines to manifold on a Pietenpol conversion (D. Engelkenjohn)
2. 10:41 AM - straight axle builders and the home shopping network (Michael D Cuy)
3. 10:42 AM - I meant 0.20" wall thickness (Michael D Cuy)
4. 12:50 PM - Harbor tool (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
5. 01:03 PM - Fuse change from plans (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 02:24 PM - "A" oil pressure gauge (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
7. 02:45 PM - Re: Fuse change from plans (Richard Navratril)
8. 03:24 PM - Re: straight axle builders and the home shopping network (John Carmen)
9. 04:16 PM - Re: Fuse change from plans (Les Schubert)
10. 06:04 PM - Re: Cutting 4130 (George Allen)
11. 08:15 PM - Re: I meant 0.20" wall thickness (Ted Brousseau)
12. 09:07 PM - Re: Fuse change from plans (Doyle K. Combs)
13. 09:10 PM - Re: Fuse change from plans (Graham Hansen)
14. 09:26 PM - Re: GN-1 landing gear (DJ Vegh)
15. 09:30 PM - Re: I meant 0.20" wall thickness (Richard Navratril)
16. 11:26 PM - Re: Fuse change from plans (clif)
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Subject: | oil lines to manifold on a Pietenpol conversion |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Thanks for the replies, I didn't make myself clear (Again) I guess.
I am using the Pietenpol conversion of the corvair engine. As opposed to
the no fan conversion.
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Subject: | straight axle builders and the home shopping network |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Group--copying from Frank P.'s Sky Gypsy, I made my axle out of 1.5" OD x
0.200 4130 tube. If any of you get to the point where you need to thread
the ends of your axle for either the hex-castle nut or round on the end let
me know. I purchased the 1 1/2-16 die and have a die handle that I can
loan out (threading oil not included:) You'll need a beefy vise to hold
your axle and some Wheaties but overall not a big job.
Just got off line from http://www.harborfreight.com/ and ordered some new
hand tools. You guys should see the junk tools that have been serving me
for the past umpteen years. I mean I have junk for
tools. Seriously. I finally bought some new stuff and found that Harbor
Freight has been a decent source for the builder on a budget. (and most of
us are minus the airline pilots:)) But they earned it ! I almost feel
like somebody hooked on ordering things off of the home shopping network,
but doing it on the web !!!
Mike C.
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Subject: | I meant 0.20" wall thickness |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Axle material used: 1.5" OD x whatever you want x 0.20 wall thickness.
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Hi Mike C: I know what you are saying about tools. I was in the same
boat for years. For the years that I lived in a small town, my only
source for tools was Craftsman. Good tools, but at a price. Then Harbor
Tool put a retail store in Co. Springs. I now had an excuse to go visit
my kids in Co, Springs twice as often. They have since put in a store in
Wichita that I hit it once a month on EAA night. Another good source for
tools is a traveling outfit called Homier Dist. (HDC Tool) They are from
Indiana.They come to various towns and typically set up in a community
building and stay for 3 or 4 days selling the same stuff as Harbor, but
at much better prices. It's all Chinese slave labor, sweat shop made
stuff, and all profits probably are going into the development of the
nukes that they will one day use against us, but what are you gonna do?
I noticed from the web sight that Harbor tool has a bunch of stores in
OH. Leon S. Actively looking for a house with a shop. so I can get
all of those tools out of storage. Do not Archive.
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Subject: | Fuse change from plans |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
Am asking all of you to put on you thinking caps and voice any objections to
what I am about to write. I want tech reasons more than the traditional " BHP
didn't do it that way". I particularly want to hear from those of you in the
know aerodynamically as I would rather avoid creating a hazard.
Tomorrow I begin laying out the fuse for RePiet. I will be using the drawings
for the long one but will vary it somewhat. The width will be 28 instead of
24. The rear cockpit will be 4 inches longer from inst panel to seat back in
rear pit than the short fuse or 1 in longer than the long fuse. I'll borrow
that inch from one of the rear bays.
Also, but not firm, am considering a center section of 32 inches since I will
have a wing tank for those long, long trips. This will necessitate slanted
cabane struts. I have computed the W&B for these changes and see no problem.
A 2 in longer engine mount for the A-65 with the Hegy 7 1/2 lb wooden prop
and cabanes slanted rearward 3 1/2 inches.
Sure, I know you all think I nuts and your probably right but think of the
fun I'm having spending all our children's inheritance.
Will appreciate any and all comments on the subject but try and be nice.
Corky in beautiful Louisiana
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Subject: | "A" oil pressure gauge |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
Scary or not, isn't there something in our federal regulations about an oil pressure
gauge being a required item???????? If not, I'll declutter my overcrowded
panel tomorrow!
Larry
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Subject: | Re: Fuse change from plans |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Hey Corky
If BHP were kickin around today the Piet would be going thru some wild
experimentations. I'm not one to comment on the changes in width. But on
my second fuse I got an additional 9.5" on length in the rear cockpit by
moving the seat back 1", reclining the seat 1.5", and using the original
plan for the bridge deck between cockpits. If you want to check it out go
to www.cposeminars.com/plane01.html
This is a bit of a deviation from the piet plan, no fence wire or gate
hinges here.
Dont be negitive,
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse change from plans
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Pieters,
>
> Am asking all of you to put on you thinking caps and voice any objections
to
> what I am about to write. I want tech reasons more than the traditional "
BHP
> didn't do it that way". I particularly want to hear from those of you in
the
> know aerodynamically as I would rather avoid creating a hazard.
>
> Tomorrow I begin laying out the fuse for RePiet. I will be using the
drawings
> for the long one but will vary it somewhat. The width will be 28 instead
of
> 24. The rear cockpit will be 4 inches longer from inst panel to seat back
in
> rear pit than the short fuse or 1 in longer than the long fuse. I'll
borrow
> that inch from one of the rear bays.
> Also, but not firm, am considering a center section of 32 inches since I
will
> have a wing tank for those long, long trips. This will necessitate slanted
> cabane struts. I have computed the W&B for these changes and see no
problem.
> A 2 in longer engine mount for the A-65 with the Hegy 7 1/2 lb wooden prop
> and cabanes slanted rearward 3 1/2 inches.
>
> Sure, I know you all think I nuts and your probably right but think of the
> fun I'm having spending all our children's inheritance.
>
> Will appreciate any and all comments on the subject but try and be nice.
>
> Corky in beautiful Louisiana
>
>
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Subject: | Re: straight axle builders and the home shopping network |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jlcarmen@bellsouth.net>
Speaking of junk tools. I use a 90 degree die grinder for everything. I
got one about 10 years ago and must have a Zillion miles on it. I paid 19
bucks for it from HF. I give it a few drops of oil once a month if I can
remember and a squirt of grease in the gear box once a year. I got two
more of these grinders for 19 bucks, now I have four of them with a tool for
each.
My air drill is worth 300 bucks so don't go the cheap for airdrills.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle builders and the home shopping
network
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Group--copying from Frank P.'s Sky Gypsy, I made my axle out of 1.5" OD x
> 0.200 4130 tube. If any of you get to the point where you need to thread
> the ends of your axle for either the hex-castle nut or round on the end
let
> me know. I purchased the 1 1/2-16 die and have a die handle that I can
> loan out (threading oil not included:) You'll need a beefy vise to hold
> your axle and some Wheaties but overall not a big job.
>
> Just got off line from http://www.harborfreight.com/ and ordered some new
> hand tools. You guys should see the junk tools that have been serving me
> for the past umpteen years. I mean I have junk for
> tools. Seriously. I finally bought some new stuff and found that
Harbor
> Freight has been a decent source for the builder on a budget. (and most
of
> us are minus the airline pilots:)) But they earned it ! I almost feel
> like somebody hooked on ordering things off of the home shopping network,
> but doing it on the web !!!
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fuse change from plans |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
Guys
The stretched fuselage sounds like a god idea especially for us taller, larger
people these days. Being 6'4" and 230# I realized after some checking
and trying on another guys Piet that I absolutely could not put it on as
Bernie designed it. I was also concerned was gross weight so I simply
removed the front cockpit. My wife said she had no intention of flying
with me in it but she might consider flying it without me in it.
For you guys who have stretched it what do you think your empty weight
is going to come out at? Dick I see you have the basic fuselage finished.
Can you please grab the bathroom scale and weigh it for us?
It seems to me the stock fuselage weighs about 70lbs at the state you
are at.
I am planning to use a A65 continental that I have. I am planing to use
a wing mounted tank so the C of G doesn't move around as the fuel
load changes. Anything wrong with this?
Thx
Les
At 04:42 PM 28/04/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril"
><horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
>Hey Corky
>If BHP were kickin around today the Piet would be going thru some wild
>experimentations. I'm not one to comment on the changes in width. But on
>my second fuse I got an additional 9.5" on length in the rear cockpit by
>moving the seat back 1", reclining the seat 1.5", and using the original
>plan for the bridge deck between cockpits. If you want to check it out go
>to www.cposeminars.com/plane01.html
>This is a bit of a deviation from the piet plan, no fence wire or gate
>hinges here.
>
>Dont be negitive,
>Dick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse change from plans
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
> >
> > Pieters,
> >
> > Am asking all of you to put on you thinking caps and voice any objections
>to
> > what I am about to write. I want tech reasons more than the traditional "
>BHP
> > didn't do it that way". I particularly want to hear from those of you in
>the
> > know aerodynamically as I would rather avoid creating a hazard.
> >
> > Tomorrow I begin laying out the fuse for RePiet. I will be using the
>drawings
> > for the long one but will vary it somewhat. The width will be 28 instead
>of
> > 24. The rear cockpit will be 4 inches longer from inst panel to seat back
>in
> > rear pit than the short fuse or 1 in longer than the long fuse. I'll
>borrow
> > that inch from one of the rear bays.
> > Also, but not firm, am considering a center section of 32 inches since I
>will
> > have a wing tank for those long, long trips. This will necessitate slanted
> > cabane struts. I have computed the W&B for these changes and see no
>problem.
> > A 2 in longer engine mount for the A-65 with the Hegy 7 1/2 lb wooden prop
> > and cabanes slanted rearward 3 1/2 inches.
> >
> > Sure, I know you all think I nuts and your probably right but think of the
> > fun I'm having spending all our children's inheritance.
> >
> > Will appreciate any and all comments on the subject but try and be nice.
> >
> > Corky in beautiful Louisiana
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Cutting 4130 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "George Allen" <GeorgeA@paonline.com>
Thanks Ted, I'll try it. I just bought some 4130 sheet. I forgot all about
that way of cutting steel. I heard about it long ago and forgot.
George Allen
Harrisburg, PA
GeorgeA@PAonline.com
(Peitenpol builder)
---- Original Message -----
> I just cut out the firewall end of the motor mounts that are made of 1/8"
> 4130. I use a standard wood cutting band saw with a standard 1/2" wood
> cutting blade. I timed the cuts. They were basically 30 seconds per inch
> of straight cut. It is called friction cutting. You get it going just
fast
> enough to create a red glow where the blade meets the sheet. I have been
> using this blade for 6 months of off and on cutting.
> Hope this helps someone save a little $ and shop space. And see if we can
> get a little life in this list again.
>
> Ted
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Subject: | Re: I meant 0.20" wall thickness |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Thanks Mike,
What did you other builders of straight axles use?? The F&G manual calls
for 12 GA which is around .11 thick tubing. Has anyone used 12 GA and lived
to tell about it?
Ted
With order in hand just waiting to fill in this last blank.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I meant 0.20" wall thickness
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Axle material used: 1.5" OD x whatever you want x 0.20 wall thickness.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fuse change from plans |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" <dcombs@Ltex.net>
Would anyone building a GN-1 be willing to share the demensions for the
landing gear set up? I am ready to build mine, but the J-3 gear is
sufficiently different. I really would appreciate having the demensions,
especiall for the upper middle section.
Thanks, Doyle Combs
-----
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Subject: | Re: Fuse change from plans |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Corky,
My fuselage was built in accordance with the "Improved Air Camper" plans
(not the F and G plans) and I made these changes:
1. Widened at cockpits by 2", making for a 26" outside dimension;
2. Firewall moved 6" forward (recommended by BHP himself for lighter
engines);
3. Plywood in cockpit area placed on inside, rather than the outside.
If I were to build another (which I won't), I would still incorporate these
changes because they have proved to be satisfactory for over 30 years. The
only additional change I would consider is to lengthen the rear cockpit in
order to have the instrument panel a bit further from my nose. This has
likely been accomplished by
the so-called "long fuselage"---the plans of which I have not seen. At about
5' 8"
I don't have any trouble fitting the airplane, but don't wish to fly it
more than about 1.5 hours without stopping for a "walkabout". Therefore I
would question the need for carrying a lot of fuel.
The Pietenpol, as designed, is not overly-endowed with fixed tail surface
area. The
directional and longitudinal stability of the four different "short
fuselage" Piets I have flown was only just adequate. The longer fuselage
version having a longer tail arm could show an improvement in this regard. A
fuselage 28" wide could affect the airflow over the tail and require an
increase in tail area. Wind tunnel testing would be recommended, but I don't
think you want to go there. So all I can say is that a 26" wide fuselage
will be OK; I dunno about the 28 inch version. My Piper PA17 Vagabond is
really short coupled with a wide forward fuselage, but its tailfeathers are
pure J-3 and of ample size. Their effectiveness isn't compromised by
turbulence from open cockpits, windscreens and the pilot's head, either.
Placing the pilot further aft and the engine forward for balance could cause
some "interesting" behavior in a spin.
Changes from the plans are common practice, but as Volmer Jensen (the
designer of a number of successful aircraft) put it: "Make one change and
you may have to make dozens." And these could add weight.
Just my 2 cents worth. Cheers,
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 landing gear |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
email me... I am building a GN-1 and have completed the landing gear phase.
Mine's sitting on a 1940 something J-3 Gear.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
dvegh@imagedv.com
Mesa, AZ
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doyle K. Combs" <dcombs@ltex.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse change from plans
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" <dcombs@Ltex.net>
>
> Would anyone building a GN-1 be willing to share the demensions for the
> landing gear set up? I am ready to build mine, but the J-3 gear is
> sufficiently different. I really would appreciate having the demensions,
> especiall for the upper middle section.
>
> Thanks, Doyle Combs
> -----
>
>
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Subject: | Re: I meant 0.20" wall thickness |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Ted
For what it's worth since mine hasn't flown yet. My first one has a 1.125 x
.200 and the new one is 1.250 x .120
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I meant 0.20" wall thickness
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
<nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> Thanks Mike,
>
> What did you other builders of straight axles use?? The F&G manual calls
> for 12 GA which is around .11 thick tubing. Has anyone used 12 GA and
lived
> to tell about it?
>
> Ted
> With order in hand just waiting to fill in this last blank.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: I meant 0.20" wall thickness
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > Axle material used: 1.5" OD x whatever you want x 0.20 wall thickness.
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fuse change from plans |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> >Hi Corky. There's an old piet here that is in
rebuild after sitting for some time. Prior to that
it was a chapter(RAA) club plane for a while I
believe. I can't seem to get any definitive answers
as to it's flying characteristics but in general it is
remembered to have flown fine.
It is 6" wider-both cockpits, standard length,
longer, angled cabanes and longer center section.
Corvair powered. There appears to be some
leeway. If Bernard had been a larger man, what
would the plane be like?
Sorry I don't have more details. Clif
> Tomorrow I begin laying out the fuse for RePiet. I will be using the
drawings
> for the long one but will vary it somewhat. The width will be 28 instead
of
> 24. The rear cockpit will be 4 inches longer from inst panel to seat back
in
> rear pit than the short fuse or 1 in longer than the long fuse. I'll
borrow
> that inch from one of the rear bays.
> Also, but not firm, am considering a center section of 32 inches since I
will
> have a wing tank for those long, long trips. This will necessitate slanted
> cabane struts. I have computed the W&B for these changes and see no
problem.
> A 2 in longer engine mount for the A-65 with the Hegy 7 1/2 lb wooden prop
> and cabanes slanted rearward 3 1/2 inches.
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