---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/03/03: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:06 AM - Landing gear (D. Engelkenjohn) 2. 05:36 AM - Re: Piet power on stalls (John McNarry) 3. 08:31 AM - Re: Landing gear (del magsam) 4. 08:44 AM - Re: Landing gear (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 09:20 AM - Re: Landing gear (walter evans) 6. 04:38 PM - BUyers Info (TWINBOOM) 7. 05:40 PM - TO FLOP OR NOT (ANNCARLEK@aol.com) 8. 06:03 PM - Re: BUyers Info (Doyle K. Combs) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:00 AM PST US From: "D. Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" I am having a bear of a time trying to build a split axle all metal gear from the 1933 Improved Air Camper. Does anyone have any pictures of the jigs and fixtures they used or an explanation of how to do it? How do you get the axle to align with the V to attach it? Dennis Engelkenjohn ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:36 AM PST US From: "John McNarry" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet power on stalls --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" Way to go Walt! My instructor, "Dance boy, Dance!" I learned in the back seat of a PA 12 and then in a Harvard. The rear seat gives the pilot a little quicker input when that yaw axis swing starts to happen. Anticipate it. By the way both those guys and the guy flying our Tiger and Cornell prefer wheel landings if there is any hint of a cross wind. Stall testing- haven't been there but I would be patient and climb for altitude first. John Slips in the Piet is one of the experiences that confirmed its the plane to build for me. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walter evans Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet power on stalls --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" I've got 13 1/2 hours out of 25, and been thru alot,,,,did the slips, did some wheel landings. All went well. Now on to stalls. The power off will not be a problem,(I think). But what is everyones experiences with power on stalls in the Piet??? Any strange things that I need to know? At what speed does it break? Oh by the way, Thanks to all who gave advice on the rudder bar thing. Turned out that the answer was more rudder response. I keep my heels off the floor and do alot of toe dancing. And above all was to "stick" the stick. got to make a point of full back stick, and hold it there to plant the tail wheel for positive response ON the tailwheel. thanks, walt NX140DL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:39 AM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam Hi I built a wooden form that was identical to the bottom of the fuse, same width, curvature, etc. 1. I attached the L brackets to the above fixture, which are complete except for the round barrel that is the center part of the A frame hinge. 2. set the previously made A frames on the L brackets(Axle tubes are not attached or fitted to the A frames at this time). 3. grind the edges of the center barrel part of the hinge so they lay flat on the L Brackets. 4. Weld in place. 5. Wire the A frames so that they are at the correct angle and so both are at the same angle, or centered on the jig. 6.using a straight edge from tip to tip on the ends of the A frame, mark a straight line across at about the point where the axle tubes will be welded. 7. remove the A frames by removing the hinge pins and cut off tips of A frames on the line that you marked. now use a hand or bench grinder and grind in a radius to match the axle tubes. 8. reinstall A frames on the jig with the cross tie wires to hold them in the correct position. and lay the axle tubes in with a long pipe or tube through the axle tubes to align them with each other. weld in place (I made my axles to have toe-in adjustment with shims for fine tuning) This is a quick discription, the rest of the small details are on the plans or you should be able to see as you do it. Del --- "D. Engelkenjohn" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. > Engelkenjohn" > > I am having a bear of a time trying to build a split > axle all metal gear > from the 1933 Improved Air Camper. > Does anyone have any pictures of the jigs and > fixtures they used or an > explanation of how to do it? > > How do you get the axle to align with the V to > attach it? > > > Dennis Engelkenjohn > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:26 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, As "Bette" once said, hold on tight this is going to blow your hair. Have any of you BUILDERS ever considered using Cessna gears on a Piet or other homebuilts? I have a pair of flat 150s and a pair of round 152s. I've toyed with the idea of triming the flats, to decrease weight, and using them on RePiet. The fuse box to anchor these should not be an impossible task. I don't know, just asking a little advice and/or opinions. You know who in you know where ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:55 AM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Dennis, Make a full sized angle drawing on the workbench, to get the length of each side of the "V" right, and the end of the lengths fall at the right spacing apart where they connect to the fuse. Now this is the pattern you are shooting for. I borrowed a "chop" saw from a contractor friend. Like a miter saw, but for metal with a fiber disc blade. Believe me it would be worth it to rent one for a day, cause they cut so nice. Now get some scrap pipe that you can cut and keep adjusting till you get the angle just right. Cut in the center and turn one and stick them together. Can even go to Home Depot and get thinwall EMT conduit,,,very cheap. Leave the pieces a little long so after you weld the V, you can make the final angle cuts on top where the hinges are welded. As for the axle, This is one of the few changes I made to my Piet. My AP didn't like the way the axle was welded to the side of the legs with the weld in tension. Instead I removed the V point after welding and shaped a round notch that would sit on top of the axle. The axle extended in past the legs a few inches . This was notched and opened to recieve the bracket to attach the bungee tube to. I'll send you a few pics direct. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" > > I am having a bear of a time trying to build a split axle all metal gear > from the 1933 Improved Air Camper. > Does anyone have any pictures of the jigs and fixtures they used or an > explanation of how to do it? > > How do you get the axle to align with the V to attach it? > > > Dennis Engelkenjohn > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:57 PM PST US From: "TWINBOOM" Subject: Pietenpol-List: BUyers Info --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TWINBOOM" Hey Gang, Been on the sidelines way to long here without building anything yet. I have a friend that is very intrested in a Piet out in Florida. He found the add through the BPA sales section. Here is a copy. Does anyone know the gentleman that built it? Apparently he lives in PA, and has the plane down in Florida somewhere, and is on vacation, but will be back around mothers day. If you know anything, I will forward your responses to my friend in Oklahoma. He just received his commercial rating from Spartan, but would like to get a Piet to build some stick time in since the airline industry is a little flat right now. I told him it sounds a little heavy with the running gear, fir, and carpet ect, but other then that, if any one knows this gentleman or anything else, your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Doug Blackburn (Revised 4/13/03) Air Camper for Sale Constructed from 1933 plans. Entire ship of Douglas Fir. Corvair powered. Full lighted instrument panels, all running lights, both seats identical wirh red vinyl covers, red carpeted floors, lap belts and shoulder harnesses. 6 x 6 tires. Goodyear brakes. Center section holds 10 gallons, 9 useable. Extended fuselage. Ship has been test flown 4 times. Ship was FAA certified May 2001. Phase 1 time still intact. Joseph Vinciquarra For photos, send a request by email to bafranks@ptd.net Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:00 PM PST US From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: TO FLOP OR NOT --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com Thanks for the good responses to my question concerning the "flop" I'm going to build the flop, hinging it from the rear spar with a piano hinge. And I am going to cantilever a little extension of the flop leading edge over to the first wing rib past the root rib. So there will be a little dog-leg in the wing which I hope will allow the pilot to just lean a little and go right up to where he(she?) can get a leg over into the pit. I have a good reinforcement on the turtleback, so getting in should not be difficult for the pilot, But it still will require some contortions for the poor passenger, which I'm afraid will be me! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:30 PM PST US From: "Doyle K. Combs" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BUyers Info --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle K. Combs" I talked with him about the piet. It has a corvair engine, if it is the same, but not the conversion by William's stamdards, but by Bernards' guidelines. He was trying to sell the engine seperate. It has great instrumentation but some one on the net made a comment about it weighting in very heavy. The price was too much for me at the time and I passed it by. Best check out the empty weight first, and then make some conclustions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TWINBOOM" Subject: Pietenpol-List: BUyers Info > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TWINBOOM" > > Hey Gang, > Been on the sidelines way to long here without building anything yet. I have a friend that is very intrested in a Piet out in Florida. He found the add through the BPA sales section. Here is a copy. Does anyone know the gentleman that built it? Apparently he lives in PA, and has the plane down in Florida somewhere, and is on vacation, but will be back around mothers day. If you know anything, I will forward your responses to my friend in Oklahoma. He just received his commercial rating from Spartan, but would like to get a Piet to build some stick time in since the airline industry is a little flat right now. I told him it sounds a little heavy with the running gear, fir, and carpet ect, but other then that, if any one knows this gentleman or anything else, your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > > Doug Blackburn > > (Revised 4/13/03) Air Camper for Sale Constructed from 1933 plans. Entire ship of Douglas Fir. Corvair powered. Full lighted instrument panels, all running lights, both seats identical wirh red vinyl covers, red carpeted floors, lap belts and shoulder harnesses. 6 x 6 tires. Goodyear brakes. Center section holds 10 gallons, 9 useable. Extended fuselage. Ship has been test flown 4 times. Ship was FAA certified May 2001. Phase 1 time still intact. Joseph Vinciquarra For photos, send a request by email to bafranks@ptd.net > > > Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn > Yucaipa California > Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com > >