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1. 01:52 AM - Re: BUyers Info (rod wooller)
2. 04:51 AM - Joe's Piet (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
3. 07:16 AM - Re:Buyer's Info (TWINBOOM)
4. 12:00 PM - Cessna gear (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
5. 03:16 PM - N3141J (Doc Mosher)
6. 05:11 PM - Re: N3141J (walter evans)
7. 06:27 PM - Re: Landing gear (Wizzard187@aol.com)
8. 07:47 PM - TO FLOP OR NOT (ANNCARLEK@aol.com)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller" <rodwooller@hotmail.com>
Doug,
Check out "Ask the Authority" on William Wynns web site. There is a question
to William regarding a Piet for sale in Florida (dated 4/20/03)
William thinks the seller is a Joseph Vince, and his comments make
interesting reading to say the least.
Rod Wooller
Chidlow
Australia
>From: "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM@msn.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: BUyers Info
>Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:38:49 -0700
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>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM@msn.com>
>
>Hey Gang,
> Been on the sidelines way to long here without building anything yet.
>I have a friend that is very intrested in a Piet out in Florida. He found
>the add through the BPA sales section. Here is a copy. Does anyone know the
>gentleman that built it? Apparently he lives in PA, and has the plane down
>in Florida somewhere, and is on vacation, but will be back around mothers
>day. If you know anything, I will forward your responses to my friend in
>Oklahoma. He just received his commercial rating from Spartan, but would
>like to get a Piet to build some stick time in since the airline industry
>is a little flat right now. I told him it sounds a little heavy with the
>running gear, fir, and carpet ect, but other then that, if any one knows
>this gentleman or anything else, your input would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks,
>
>Doug Blackburn
>
>(Revised 4/13/03) Air Camper for Sale Constructed from 1933 plans. Entire
>ship of Douglas Fir. Corvair powered. Full lighted instrument panels, all
>running lights, both seats identical wirh red vinyl covers, red carpeted
>floors, lap belts and shoulder harnesses. 6 x 6 tires. Goodyear brakes.
>Center section holds 10 gallons, 9 useable. Extended fuselage. Ship has
>been test flown 4 times. Ship was FAA certified May 2001. Phase 1 time
>still intact. Joseph Vinciquarra For photos, send a request by email to
>bafranks@ptd.net
>
>
>Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
>Yucaipa California
>Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
>
>
Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
The red Piet in FL that was asked about is definitely NOT a plane to buy. I have
spoken to two friends in FL over the course of a couple of years and the subject
of "Preacher Joe's" Piet has come up. Both agree that the best thing to happen
is for it to burn in a hangar fire. Unfortunately, he doesn't have a hangar.
The airplane is EXTREMELY heavy. (It's built maybe one step up the sophistication
ladder from Fishman) In Joe's mind, the fix for it's weight was to add a couple
more bays to the wing to lift the hulk off the ground. This necessitated
the lift struts mounts moving outward to keep the lengthened wings from drooping
under their own weight so, a couple more jury struts were added, etc..............
are you getting the idea? Upholstery? Carpeting?
One of the test pilots said that it was the scariest flight he had ever had and
he wouldn't fly it again. The owners' best decision was to take the engine off
(mechanical problems) so as to make the airframe unflyable!!
This one would better be left alone and a collective prayer go up from the group
for a sink-hole to open up exactly where it is sitting or some other natural
disaster to keep any unwary soul from buying this thing and getting hurt.
But.............that is just my own humble and fairly reserved opinion.
Larry
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM@msn.com>
Larry and others,
Thank you for your reply to the Florida Piet. I have sent those replies
to my friend in OK. He obviously is not going to buy it. I knew if anyone
knew about it, I would find the answer for him here on the list. Thanks for
all your help and direction. Put this one to bed gentelmen. Thanks again,
Doug Blackburn
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
Yucaipa California
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joe's Piet
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
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> The red Piet in FL that was asked about is definitely NOT a plane to buy.
I have spoken to two friends in FL over the course of a couple of years and
the subject of "Preacher Joe's" Piet has come up. Both agree that the best
thing to happen is for it to burn in a hangar fire. Unfortunately, he
doesn't have a hangar.
>
> The airplane is EXTREMELY heavy. (It's built maybe one step up the
sophistication ladder from Fishman) In Joe's mind, the fix for it's weight
was to add a couple more bays to the wing to lift the hulk off the ground.
This necessitated the lift struts mounts moving outward to keep the
lengthened wings from drooping under their own weight so, a couple more jury
struts were added, etc.............. are you getting the idea? Upholstery?
Carpeting?
>
> One of the test pilots said that it was the scariest flight he had ever
had and he wouldn't fly it again. The owners' best decision was to take the
engine off (mechanical problems) so as to make the airframe unflyable!!
>
> This one would better be left alone and a collective prayer go up from the
group for a sink-hole to open up exactly where it is sitting or some other
natural disaster to keep any unwary soul from buying this thing and getting
hurt.
>
> But.............that is just my own humble and fairly reserved opinion.
>
> Larry
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Corky: I toyed with the ides once, but that was about it. I had a set of
Cessna gear legs at one time. They have a small mounting area that I
felt (although I'm not an engineer) could be easily be ripped out of
wood in a hard landing. So you would need to add a large steel plate
under the floor board to spread the mount load over a larger area. I
think you would also need to weld this steel plate to another piece
that you would want to run up the outside of the fuselage and tie it
into some of the fus. bracing. I think it could be done. I never weighed
the Cessna gear, but my tube gear legs are lighter. Leon S. Hutchinson
Ks.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
The airplane you are speaking about (built by Joe Vinciquarra in 1991) is
currently registered to Joe, whose address is P. O. Box 7063 in Sussex NJ
07462.
I do not know any more about the machine or about Joe. If it was built in
1991 and has only had 4 test flights, there must be a reason.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
I ran into Joe the other day. He's up in the NJ area and stopped in to see
my Pietenpol. He was telling me about His plane some. Seems he was
surprised at how light mine was empty at 595#, seems his is in the mid
800# range. Since I'm a fan of Poly Fiber , I was surprised to hear that
his paint process was a case of Krylon. Oh well,,,guess thats why they call
it "experimental".
walt
glad in the end that I didn't cut corners, and built to the plans
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doc Mosher" <docshop@tds.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N3141J
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
>
> The airplane you are speaking about (built by Joe Vinciquarra in 1991) is
> currently registered to Joe, whose address is P. O. Box 7063 in Sussex NJ
> 07462.
>
> I do not know any more about the machine or about Joe. If it was built in
> 1991 and has only had 4 test flights, there must be a reason.
>
> Doc Mosher
> Oshkosh USA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com
Hi, When I built my landing gear, I put the fusulage upside down, mounted
a 4 by 8 sheet of plywood on top, drew the lines of the vertical members,
wired the axles to the sheet and tacked the tubes in place. Of course I have
not flown yet but it seems good. Might help,
Ken Conrad in wet Iowa with my corn planted
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com
Thanks for the good responses to my question concerning the "flop". You all
had many good suggestions. I'm going to build the flop, hinging it from the
rear spar with a piano hinge. And I am going to cantilever a little extension
of the flop leading edge over to the first wing rib past the root rib. So
there will be a little dog-leg in the wing which I hope will allow the pilot
to just lean a little and go right up to where he(she?) can get a leg over
into the pit. I have a good reinforcement on the turtleback, so getting in
should not be difficult for the pilot, But it still will require some
contortions for the poor passenger, which I'm afraid will be me!
Anyway, thanks a lot! Carl from Compton
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