---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/08/03: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:06 AM - straight axle up travel (Michael D Cuy) 2. 05:44 AM - Latex Gloves (Seibert Bob-r18643) 3. 06:29 AM - Nice Ford Piet for sale on Barnstormers.com (Michael D Cuy) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: Nice Ford Piet for sale on Barnstormers.com (Gary Gower) 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Nice Ford Piet for sale on Barnstormers.com (cat_designs@juno.com) 6. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: torque tube question (Hubbard, Eugene) 7. 01:05 PM - Re: T-88 cleanup (Steve Eldredge) 8. 02:19 PM - Ontario Piet fly-in? (Bill Church) 9. 04:44 PM - Re: straight axle up travel (John McNarry) 10. 05:05 PM - Re: T-88 cleanup (John McNarry) 11. 07:37 PM - Re: straight axle up travel (Richard Navratril) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:09 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle up travel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Dick-- Bernard did write something about with a 'full load' which I would take to mean two people and fuel that the axle should be about 1/2"-3/4" above the ash block at the bottom of your wood gear legs. The anti-torque tubes I have for my brakes (and to keep the axle from shifting left-to-right or right-to-left under the bungees show approximately 3" of travel where the paint is worn off as they ride in the guide tube. I know one thing is for sure----do not wrap your bungee cords too loosely. You will have no authority with your ailerons in a cross wind landing or takeoff unless your bungee cords are the right tension. Learned this the scary way. When you dig your aileron in left or right during a crosswind takeoff and the cords are too loose the wind will get under your wing and easily push that wing up while your straight axle suspension provides little resistance to the roll tendency. I use six feet of 1/2" diameter Boaters World or West Marine (or wherever you can find the stuff) white cloth covered bungee cord and wrap it tight. It will loosen over time too. The 5/8" diam stuff is way too stiff for the average whimp like me to wrap. (plus it is overkill unless you have a 900 pound piet) After installing your bungee cords, put both hands on your wing strut ends at the wing and rock the plane up and down to see how tight or loose they are. The bungees will make noises as you do this but you should not be able to cause more than a little lifting of the axle off of your ash block by doing this. If you have a gap with nobody in the plane they are way too loose. You should be able to lift the wheel off the ground by lifting like this. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:05 AM PST US From: Seibert Bob-r18643 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex Gloves --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643 Regarding Latex vs. Vinyl gloves - Stick with latex if you can. Polybrush fabric cement dissolves vinyl gloves in about 15 seconds. I don't know how they hold up against epoxy but I have a box full of vinyl gloves to use for oil changes now! Bob Seibert Slathering Latex House Paint on the Piet in smoky humid TX. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:36 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice Ford Piet for sale on Barnstormers.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Just saw this ad on http://www.Barnstormers.com PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER =95 FOR SALE!! .. RIGHT REAR .. RIGHT FRONT .. ENGINE .. INSTRUMENT PANEL .. LEFT SIDE .. RIGHT REAR .. Model A Powered Pietenpol. Excellent condition. Built By Howard Henderson featured in Feb 1989 issue of Sport Aviation. Aircraft built to 1929 plans. Flies great. Includes Two props Asking 14,500 obo. Located in VA. Contact Joseph Santana located Waynesboro VA USA. Telephone: (540)943-3061. -- Posted 4 May 2003 -- Show ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:46 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nice Ford Piet for sale on Barnstormers.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower This is a real oportunity to buy a great Piet... Hope someone of this group goes for it. Has to be in some hands that will appreciate it. Saludos Gary Gower. Do not archive. --- Michael D Cuy wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > Just saw this ad on http://www.Barnstormers.com > > PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER =95 FOR SALE!! .. RIGHT REAR .. RIGHT FRONT .. > ENGINE .. > INSTRUMENT PANEL .. LEFT SIDE .. RIGHT REAR .. Model A Powered > Pietenpol. > Excellent condition. Built By Howard Henderson featured in Feb 1989 > issue > of Sport Aviation. Aircraft built to 1929 plans. Flies great. > Includes Two > props Asking 14,500 obo. Located in VA. Contact Joseph Santana > located > Waynesboro VA USA. Telephone: (540)943-3061. -- Posted 4 May 2003 -- > Show > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nice Ford Piet for sale on Barnstormers.com From: cat_designs@juno.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com Wish I had the money to buy it. It's one nice looking plane. Any one want to donate $14,500 to me? Cash no checks please. Chris Sacramento, CA do not archive --- Michael D Cuy wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Just saw this ad on http://www.Barnstormers.com PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER =95 FOR SALE!! .. RIGHT REAR .. RIGHT FRONT .. ENGINE .. INSTRUMENT PANEL .. LEFT SIDE .. RIGHT REAR .. Model A Powered Pietenpol. Excellent condition. Built By Howard Henderson featured in Feb 1989 issue of Sport Aviation. Aircraft built to 1929 plans. Flies great. Includes Two props Asking 14,500 obo. Located in VA. Contact Joseph Santana located Waynesboro VA USA. Telephone: (540)943-3061. -- Posted 4 May 2003 -- Show The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:26 AM PST US From: "Hubbard, Eugene" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: torque tube question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" Mine doesn't. Then again, my torque tube came from Replicraft, and I never figured out which plans he used. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo [mailto:rambog@erols.com] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: torque tube question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" I can't believe it!! A really simple solution!!! By crossing the interconnect from the left to right, it does not hit the forward elevator cable? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hubbard, Eugene" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: torque tube question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > Sounds very familiar. I don't know how it ever worked in the plans > configuration, but if you cross the interconnect from the left side of the > rear stick to the right side of the front stick, the problem goes away. > > I had to shim the torque tube a bit to keep it from hitting the ash cross > piece. > > Gene Hubbard > San Diego > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Rambo [mailto:rambog@erols.com] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: torque tube question > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > I have seen a number of people talk about putting a shim under the forward > torque tube bearing to raise it up off the floor. I always assumed that > this was because the torque tube touched something, most likely where it > passes through the back of the front seat between the "V" formed by the > square spruce diagonal braces. Is this correct? > > My torque tube sits flat on the floor at both the front and back ends > without a shim. It did touch slightly at the front seat back, but a light > touch with a small sanding drum gave it clearance. My problem is that with > the interconnect between the front and rear control sticks, the interconnect > hits the "V" brace on the side that it is on with what appears to be a very > small aileron deflection. > > Have some of you had this problem? I am wondering whether the shim under > the front bearing may have been to raise the torque tube up so that the > interconnect hits the diagonal later, or maybe some of you have "jogged" the > interconnect so that it does not hit, or maybe whether the aileron travel I > have is sufficient and I am worrying about nothing. > > Sound familiar to anyone?? > > Gene > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:49 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 cleanup From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" Vinegar gets my vote. I've used it many times and it works great without the danger or cost of brake cleaner. Steve E (yes I still lurk once in a while....) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary McNeel Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 cleanup --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" So does vinegar. -Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 cleanup --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com I found that "Fast Orange", the hand cleaner in the orange-colored jug works great at removing T-88. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:26 PM PST US From: Bill Church Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ontario Piet fly-in? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church Does anyone on the list know if the Piet Fly-in is still held in Brussels, Ontario? Or anywhere else in Ontario, for that matter? I was going throught the archives and found mention of this annual event, but the most recent posting was from the year 2000. I'm new to the list, having been an observer for the last half-year or so, but have been a fan of the Piet since my Dad built a radio controlled model about twenty-five or thirty years ago. I would really like to get a chance to see the real thing up close. I guess my other option would be Brodhead this summer. Hmmm... Thanks, Bill Church ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:56 PM PST US From: "John McNarry" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: straight axle up travel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" Thanks Mike, a good way to test how tight I have been wondering about that. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle up travel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Dick-- Bernard did write something about with a 'full load' which I would take to mean two people and fuel that the axle should be about 1/2"-3/4" above the ash block at the bottom of your wood gear legs. The anti-torque tubes I have for my brakes (and to keep the axle from shifting left-to-right or right-to-left under the bungees show approximately 3" of travel where the paint is worn off as they ride in the guide tube. I know one thing is for sure----do not wrap your bungee cords too loosely. You will have no authority with your ailerons in a cross wind landing or takeoff unless your bungee cords are the right tension. Learned this the scary way. When you dig your aileron in left or right during a crosswind takeoff and the cords are too loose the wind will get under your wing and easily push that wing up while your straight axle suspension provides little resistance to the roll tendency. I use six feet of 1/2" diameter Boaters World or West Marine (or wherever you can find the stuff) white cloth covered bungee cord and wrap it tight. It will loosen over time too. The 5/8" diam stuff is way too stiff for the average whimp like me to wrap. (plus it is overkill unless you have a 900 pound piet) After installing your bungee cords, put both hands on your wing strut ends at the wing and rock the plane up and down to see how tight or loose they are. The bungees will make noises as you do this but you should not be able to cause more than a little lifting of the axle off of your ash block by doing this. If you have a gap with nobody in the plane they are way too loose. You should be able to lift the wheel off the ground by lifting like this. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:15 PM PST US From: "John McNarry" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 cleanup --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" Hi Steve E Warm enough to fly in Utah yet? John -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 cleanup Steve E (yes I still lurk once in a while....) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:17 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight axle up travel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" Hey Mike Thanks alot. I'm really glad I asked this question. I'm almost ready for my taxi tests and I'll go back and re-check tension. However I am still thinking of limiting the amount of travel for the reasons you site. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle up travel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Dick-- Bernard did write something about with a 'full load' which I would > take to mean two people and fuel that the > axle should be about 1/2"-3/4" above the ash block at the bottom of your > wood gear legs. > > The anti-torque tubes I have for my brakes (and to keep the axle from > shifting left-to-right or right-to-left under the bungees show > approximately 3" of travel where the paint is worn off as they ride in the > guide tube. I know one thing is for sure----do not wrap your bungee > cords too loosely. You will have no authority with your ailerons in a > cross wind landing or takeoff unless your bungee cords are the right > tension. Learned this the scary way. When you dig your aileron in left > or right during a crosswind takeoff and the cords are too loose the wind > will get under your wing and easily push that wing up while your straight > axle suspension provides little resistance to the roll tendency. > > I use six feet of 1/2" diameter Boaters World or West Marine (or wherever > you can find the stuff) white cloth covered bungee cord and wrap it > tight. It will loosen over time too. The 5/8" diam stuff is way too > stiff for the average whimp like me to wrap. (plus it is overkill unless > you have a 900 pound piet) > > After installing your bungee cords, put both hands on your wing strut ends > at the wing and rock the plane up and down to see how tight or loose they > are. The bungees will make noises as you do this but you should not be > able to cause more than a little lifting of the axle off of your ash block > by doing this. If you have a gap with nobody in the plane they are way too > loose. You should be able to lift the wheel off the ground by lifting > like this. > > Mike C. > >