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1. 06:57 AM - Brodhead dates (John Ford)
2. 07:06 AM - Re: Brodhead dates......July 25-27 (Jim Markle)
3. 07:42 AM - tires, taxiing, & stuff (Michael D Cuy)
4. 08:41 AM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
5. 12:12 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (rambog@erols.com)
6. 12:33 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (walter evans)
7. 12:38 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (walter evans)
8. 01:18 PM - bungee ends (Michael D Cuy)
9. 02:49 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (Gene Rambo)
10. 02:53 PM - Re: bungee ends (Gene Rambo)
11. 06:05 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (Richard Navratril)
12. 07:19 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (John Dilatush)
13. 07:45 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 08:16 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (Alex Sloan)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
When is the Brodhead gathering going to happen this summer? A couple of us who
are considering beginning building this winter want to attend...
Thanks..
do not archive
John Ford
jford@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead dates......July 25-27 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
PIETENPOL . FLY-IN!! Come to the Annual Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-in, July
25-27 at Brodhead, Wisconsin. Food, camping, airplanes and seminar on the
field. Bring your finished airplanes, projects or parts for show and tell.
Contact Lee Stenson (608) 897-4000 for details. Contact Chad Wille located
Corning IA USA. Telephone: (641)322-4041.
Jim in Plano.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> When is the Brodhead gathering going to happen this summer? A couple of
us who are considering beginning building this winter want to attend...
>
> Thanks..
>
> do not archive
>
> John Ford
> jford@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
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Subject: | tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
testing. Exciting time for you.
Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee
tightness. On grass strips it helps
your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less
rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer
a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case more
of an "urt". I think for overall
use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it meets
the pavement/concrete head-on to see
if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the
sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom.
It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation
pressure. Up and down sometimes.
(least in Ohio)
One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first couple of
attempts to wrap the bungees I failed
to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side was too
tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa.
It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them. Don't
be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times
to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed.
The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything
around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training time
that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and
hangar. (way more fun)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com
In a message dated 5/9/2003 9:43:50 AM Central Standard Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
> Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
> testing. Exciting time for you.
>
For Dick and for me too! Isure want to thank you for the timely information.
Doing final brake and shock cord installation now...then will haul to the
airport and get to watch that scenery start to move !! Don
do not archive
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Subject: | tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends?
Gene
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From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
testing. Exciting time for you.
Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee
tightness. On grass strips it helps
your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less
rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer
a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case more
of an "urt". I think for overall
use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it meets
the pavement/concrete head-on to see
if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the
sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom.
It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation
pressure. Up and down sometimes.
(least in Ohio)
One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first couple of
attempts to wrap the bungees I failed
to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side was too
tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa.
It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them. Don't
be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times
to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed.
The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything
around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training time
that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and
hangar. (way more fun)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
The way you guys can get the idea what it feels like.,,,,,
get an unsliced loaf of white bread,
unwrap it and hold it in front of your face with the end touching your
nose,
now tilt it up in the front about 15 deg.
Now run faster and faster till you reach about 30 mph, and now flatten it to
look over the loaf top.
That will give an idea what the take off run will seem like.
walt
Ain't life a kick!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Waytogopiet@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/9/2003 9:43:50 AM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
>
> > Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
> > testing. Exciting time for you.
> >
>
> For Dick and for me too! Isure want to thank you for the timely
information.
> Doing final brake and shock cord installation now...then will haul to the
> airport and get to watch that scenery start to move !! Don
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Gene,
Another reason to get a hold of Tony B's books. He gives a description for
a pro result, using the common man's tools/understanding.
If nothing else I could scan the page/pages and email to you or anyone
interested.
I had to use a smaller size then in the plans. Didn't have the arm power or
knowledge to use the big stuff. It was like trying to stretch a tree
branch.
walt
----- Original Message -----
From: <rambog@erols.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com"
<rambog@erols.com>
>
> Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends?
>
> Gene
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:42:08 -0400
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
> testing. Exciting time for you.
> Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee
> tightness. On grass strips it helps
> your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less
> rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer
> a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case
more
> of an "urt". I think for overall
> use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it meets
> the pavement/concrete head-on to see
> if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the
> sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom.
> It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation
> pressure. Up and down sometimes.
> (least in Ohio)
>
> One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first couple of
> attempts to wrap the bungees I failed
> to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side was
too
> tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa.
> It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them. Don't
> be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times
> to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed.
>
> The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything
> around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training time
> that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and
> hangar. (way more fun)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends?
>Gene
Gene-- I got some good nylon tye-wraps and a tye-wrap tightening
gun (cheap things too--if you get the
plastic ones and they work great) I loop one end of the bungee around the
axle and ash bottom piece and tye wrap
about 5 or 6 tyes to make the "splice" and then FILE the sharp ends down so
they don't chaffe the subsequent wraps
around them. Then I wrap the cord in a figure 8 until I'm at the end and
repeat the 5 or 6 tye wrap method to one of the nearest
last loops. You have to work the wraps under your last loop of bungee a
bit, but once you get one tye wrap tight, the remaining 4 or 5 can be done
with both hands easier.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
I have wrapped bungees on a number of different airplanes, including my
Travel Air, but I was wondering how, specifically, other people are
accomplishing it on the Piet.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Gene,
> Another reason to get a hold of Tony B's books. He gives a description
for
> a pro result, using the common man's tools/understanding.
> If nothing else I could scan the page/pages and email to you or anyone
> interested.
> I had to use a smaller size then in the plans. Didn't have the arm power
or
> knowledge to use the big stuff. It was like trying to stretch a tree
> branch.
> walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rambog@erols.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com"
> <rambog@erols.com>
> >
> > Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends?
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
> > Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:42:08 -0400
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> >
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
> > testing. Exciting time for you.
> > Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee
> > tightness. On grass strips it helps
> > your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less
> > rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer
> > a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case
> more
> > of an "urt". I think for overall
> > use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it meets
> > the pavement/concrete head-on to see
> > if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the
> > sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom.
> > It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation
> > pressure. Up and down sometimes.
> > (least in Ohio)
> >
> > One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first couple
of
> > attempts to wrap the bungees I failed
> > to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side was
> too
> > tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa.
> > It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them.
Don't
> > be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times
> > to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed.
> >
> > The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything
> > around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training
time
> > that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and
> > hangar. (way more fun)
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
One idea I had was to pre-make a small loop, just the size of the axle, on
both ends of the bungee and slip one onto the axle past (inboard) of the ash
block, then make the wraps and slide the other end over the end of the axle
before putting the wheel on. I don't know if this will work, obviously I
have not tried it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee ends
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> >Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends?
> >Gene
>
> Gene-- I got some good nylon tye-wraps and a tye-wrap tightening
> gun (cheap things too--if you get the
> plastic ones and they work great) I loop one end of the bungee around
the
> axle and ash bottom piece and tye wrap
> about 5 or 6 tyes to make the "splice" and then FILE the sharp ends down
so
> they don't chaffe the subsequent wraps
> around them. Then I wrap the cord in a figure 8 until I'm at the end and
> repeat the 5 or 6 tye wrap method to one of the nearest
> last loops. You have to work the wraps under your last loop of bungee a
> bit, but once you get one tye wrap tight, the remaining 4 or 5 can be done
> with both hands easier.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I wrapped mine the way Mike C. describes. I got it from him on a question
about 15 months ago. There is still one thing kind of bugging me about it
though - A NW airlines I&A looked at it and was concerned about the Tie
wrapps annd was very concerned about depending on them. I have decided on
adding a safety "clamp" after I determine that the tensions are right. I
will use rib lacing cord and stich the 2 ends of the shock cord together as
a safety.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
>
> I have wrapped bungees on a number of different airplanes, including my
> Travel Air, but I was wondering how, specifically, other people are
> accomplishing it on the Piet.
>
> Gene
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
> <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > Gene,
> > Another reason to get a hold of Tony B's books. He gives a description
> for
> > a pro result, using the common man's tools/understanding.
> > If nothing else I could scan the page/pages and email to you or anyone
> > interested.
> > I had to use a smaller size then in the plans. Didn't have the arm
power
> or
> > knowledge to use the big stuff. It was like trying to stretch a tree
> > branch.
> > walt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <rambog@erols.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com"
> > <rambog@erols.com>
> > >
> > > Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends?
> > >
> > > Gene
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
> > > Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:42:08 -0400
> > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> > > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> > >
> > > Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
> > > testing. Exciting time for you.
> > > Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee
> > > tightness. On grass strips it helps
> > > your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less
> > > rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer
> > > a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case
> > more
> > > of an "urt". I think for overall
> > > use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it
meets
> > > the pavement/concrete head-on to see
> > > if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the
> > > sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom.
> > > It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation
> > > pressure. Up and down sometimes.
> > > (least in Ohio)
> > >
> > > One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first
couple
> of
> > > attempts to wrap the bungees I failed
> > > to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side
was
> > too
> > > tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa.
> > > It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them.
> Don't
> > > be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times
> > > to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed.
> > >
> > > The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything
> > > around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training
> time
> > > that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and
> > > hangar. (way more fun)
> > >
> > > Mike C.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <rambog@erols.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com"
<rambog@erols.com>
++++++++++++++++
Gene,
After wrapping the axle to the lower part of the "V" frame of the landing
gear, I just connected the two ends of the bungee by using a square knot.
Then on the tag ends of each end of the bungee, I "whipped" them with some
light cord and then varnished the ends and the "whipping"
In case you don't know, "whipping is just wrapping the cord around the end
of the bungee to keep the cover from unraveling, kinda like putting a
fairlead on a fly rod.
The whole assembly looks very authetic, just as it was done in 1929 and has
stood up well under a number of "less than perfect" landings and a couple of
trips through the cowpies and gopher holes.
Simple and authentic, I guess the old timers knew what they were doing!
John, NX114D
Salida, Colorado
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends?
>
> Gene
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:42:08 -0400
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
> testing. Exciting time for you.
> Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee
> tightness. On grass strips it helps
> your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less
> rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer
> a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case
more
> of an "urt". I think for overall
> use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it meets
> the pavement/concrete head-on to see
> if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the
> sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom.
> It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation
> pressure. Up and down sometimes.
> (least in Ohio)
>
> One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first couple of
> attempts to wrap the bungees I failed
> to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side was
too
> tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa.
> It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them. Don't
> be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times
> to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed.
>
> The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything
> around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training time
> that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and
> hangar. (way more fun)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters
With the bungee properly installed, it would be interesting to know how much
vertical movement there is from the axle at rest on the ash to the maximum
designed limit of a dropped in landing?
CMC
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Subject: | Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Mike,
Great info about the bungee. Where do I go to read about the correct way to
tie it or how ever it is held after all the work to get the tension correct?
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi
> testing. Exciting time for you.
> Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee
> tightness. On grass strips it helps
> your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less
> rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer
> a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case
more
> of an "urt". I think for overall
> use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it meets
> the pavement/concrete head-on to see
> if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the
> sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom.
> It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation
> pressure. Up and down sometimes.
> (least in Ohio)
>
> One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first couple of
> attempts to wrap the bungees I failed
> to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side was
too
> tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa.
> It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them. Don't
> be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times
> to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed.
>
> The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything
> around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training time
> that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and
> hangar. (way more fun)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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