---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/10/03: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:54 AM - Re: Brodhead dates......July 25-27 (Christian Bobka) 2. 11:59 AM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (Christian Bobka) 3. 03:05 PM - my hat is off to the long distance open cockpit flyers (walter evans) 4. 03:59 PM - Eaa Hotliner (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 06:53 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (Waytogopiet@aol.com) 6. 07:21 PM - Re: tires, taxiing, & stuff (Richard Navratril) 7. 10:18 PM - Brodhead pancake breakfast (Brants) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:25 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates......July 25-27 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" The tailwind people are going to be gathering at Baraboo the weekend of the piet flyin for a mass flyin to Oshkosh on Monday. July 28. I put a note up on their matronics chat group to head on down to Brodhead for a visit and likewise some piets might want to visit their gathering the same weekend. That is what I plan to do. chris bobka -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates......July 25-27 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" PIETENPOL . FLY-IN!! Come to the Annual Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-in, July 25-27 at Brodhead, Wisconsin. Food, camping, airplanes and seminar on the field. Bring your finished airplanes, projects or parts for show and tell. Contact Lee Stenson (608) 897-4000 for details. Contact Chad Wille located Corning IA USA. Telephone: (641)322-4041. Jim in Plano..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ford" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead dates > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > When is the Brodhead gathering going to happen this summer? A couple of us who are considering beginning building this winter want to attend... > > Thanks.. > > do not archive > > John Ford > jford@indstate.edu > 812-237-8542 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:06 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Dick, Another NWA IA says that the nylon that the tiewraps are made of will deteriorate in UV. chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Navratril Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" I wrapped mine the way Mike C. describes. I got it from him on a question about 15 months ago. There is still one thing kind of bugging me about it though - A NW airlines I&A looked at it and was concerned about the Tie wrapps annd was very concerned about depending on them. I have decided on adding a safety "clamp" after I determine that the tensions are right. I will use rib lacing cord and stich the 2 ends of the shock cord together as a safety. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > I have wrapped bungees on a number of different airplanes, including my > Travel Air, but I was wondering how, specifically, other people are > accomplishing it on the Piet. > > Gene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "walter evans" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" > > > > > Gene, > > Another reason to get a hold of Tony B's books. He gives a description > for > > a pro result, using the common man's tools/understanding. > > If nothing else I could scan the page/pages and email to you or anyone > > interested. > > I had to use a smaller size then in the plans. Didn't have the arm power > or > > knowledge to use the big stuff. It was like trying to stretch a tree > > branch. > > walt > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" > > > > > > > > Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends? > > > > > > Gene > > > > > > Original Message: > > > ----------------- > > > From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov > > > Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:42:08 -0400 > > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > > > > > Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi > > > testing. Exciting time for you. > > > Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee > > > tightness. On grass strips it helps > > > your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less > > > rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer > > > a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case > > more > > > of an "urt". I think for overall > > > use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it meets > > > the pavement/concrete head-on to see > > > if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the > > > sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom. > > > It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation > > > pressure. Up and down sometimes. > > > (least in Ohio) > > > > > > One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first couple > of > > > attempts to wrap the bungees I failed > > > to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side was > > too > > > tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa. > > > It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them. > Don't > > > be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times > > > to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed. > > > > > > The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything > > > around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training > time > > > that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and > > > hangar. (way more fun) > > > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:06 PM PST US From: "walter evans" "Fishnet" Subject: Pietenpol-List: my hat is off to the long distance open cockpit flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Trying to fly off my hours and spent 2 hours flying. Even though it was a beautiful morning, 2 hours in the 80 mph wind wears the heck out of you. (maybe my old age showing) When I was flying the Fisher 404, never really made very long trips. Now with the Pietenpol, just could pass up the great AM to build some time. Got to hand it to the guys who fly open cockpit cross the US. walt NX140DL 17 1/4 down, 7 3/4 to go ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:16 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eaa Hotliner --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Old Pieters, There may be hope for us yet. Did all see and read the Eaa Hotline Friday. Important to me was: FAA to establish a branch office, Sport Pilot facility, to deal with items pertinent to the SP/SPA activities when the rule is passed which is expected at Oshgosh time. I am putting 41CC in the back of the hanger and just waiting. Hope I live that long YKW in YKW Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:09 PM PST US From: Waytogopiet@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com In a message dated 5/9/2003 4:50:32 PM Central Standard Time, rambog@erols.com writes: > I have wrapped bungees on a number of different airplanes, including my > Travel Air, but I was wondering how, specifically, other people are > accomplishing it on the Piet. > Gene...I read most of the various responses to your query before posting this so as not to duplicate. I wrapped the LG struts on my Buhl Bull Pups and whipped the raw ends as described by John Dilatush as I suspect you did on the Travel Air. However, for the Piet I liked Mike Cuy's tyewrap method. I am doing the job now combining tyewraps and whipped ends. I prefer a 1/8" swaged safety cable rather than a clamp so will have the safety cable as a backup. I agree with the IA's opinion that the plastic tyewraps will deteriorate so plan to do daily inspection plus periodic re-wrapping and tyewrap replacement. I am unable to use the loop suggestion you put forth on mine as I am installing hydraulic brakes similar to Mike's and cannot get the loop over the brake disc. I am very grateful for the string on this subject as I am right at that point now. Thanks to all who have contributed. Would be interested in knowing about the final method you chose for your Piet. Don Hicks ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:42 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" Chris and Mike Sounds like re-wrapping bungees and changing ty-wrapps should be a reoccuring AD on the straight gear Piet. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Dick, > > Another NWA IA says that the nylon that the tiewraps are made of will > deteriorate in UV. > > chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Navratril > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" > > > I wrapped mine the way Mike C. describes. I got it from him on a question > about 15 months ago. There is still one thing kind of bugging me about it > though - A NW airlines I&A looked at it and was concerned about the Tie > wrapps annd was very concerned about depending on them. I have decided on > adding a safety "clamp" after I determine that the tensions are right. I > will use rib lacing cord and stich the 2 ends of the shock cord together as > a safety. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Rambo" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > > > I have wrapped bungees on a number of different airplanes, including my > > Travel Air, but I was wondering how, specifically, other people are > > accomplishing it on the Piet. > > > > Gene > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "walter evans" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" > > > > > > > > Gene, > > > Another reason to get a hold of Tony B's books. He gives a description > > for > > > a pro result, using the common man's tools/understanding. > > > If nothing else I could scan the page/pages and email to you or anyone > > > interested. > > > I had to use a smaller size then in the plans. Didn't have the arm > power > > or > > > knowledge to use the big stuff. It was like trying to stretch a tree > > > branch. > > > walt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" > > > > > > > > > > > Not that I am there yet, but how did you do the bungee ends? > > > > > > > > Gene > > > > > > > > Original Message: > > > > ----------------- > > > > From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov > > > > Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:42:08 -0400 > > > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires, taxiing, & stuff > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > > > > > > > > Dick N--------Congratulations on your progress. About to do taxi > > > > testing. Exciting time for you. > > > > Initially I fiddled with my motorcycle tire pressure as well as bungee > > > > tightness. On grass strips it helps > > > > your takeoff roll if your tire pressure is on the higher side, (less > > > > rolling resistance) On paved strips I prefer > > > > a somewhat softer pressure to cushion the 'chirp' or in the Piets case > > > more > > > > of an "urt". I think for overall > > > > use I keep mine about 23 psi or so. I eyeball the tread where it > meets > > > > the pavement/concrete head-on to see > > > > if all the ribs/tread in the tire are touching the ground or if the > > > > sidewalls have too much bulge at the bottom. > > > > It's amazing what ambient temperature changes can do to your inflation > > > > pressure. Up and down sometimes. > > > > (least in Ohio) > > > > > > > > One more thought on the bungee wrapping tightness. On my first > couple > > of > > > > attempts to wrap the bungees I failed > > > > to get equal tightness on either side. I would find that one side > was > > > too > > > > tight and the other side too loose, or vice-versa. > > > > It took some practice to get the right feel for how to wrap them. > > Don't > > > > be discouraged if you have to re-wrap several times > > > > to get it just right like Goldie Lock's bed. > > > > > > > > The weirdest thing about taxiing for the first time is that everything > > > > around you starts to move. Very unlike all the 'simulator' training > > time > > > > that you've accumulated while in your garage, basement, driveway, and > > > > hangar. (way more fun) > > > > > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:20 PM PST US From: "Brants" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead pancake breakfast --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brants" Anyone going to the Pancake breakfast at Brodhead next Sunday? Wondering if there will be any Pieters there. I'm planning on flying down from Crystal. Tom Brant, MPLS