---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/15/03: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - flight endurance (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 07:04 AM - "...some damn elitist" (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 3. 07:35 AM - Re: Brodhead (Gary Gower) 4. 07:42 AM - Re: Brodhead (John Ford) 5. 07:50 AM - no motels, one shower per gender, and a few volunteers (Michael D Cuy) 6. 07:50 AM - Re: I see a mass flight of Pietenpols deveoping.... (Gary Gower) 7. 08:12 AM - Re: Pietenpol Overcast OSH 2004 (Steve Eldredge) 8. 08:23 AM - Re: flight endurance (John Dilatush) 9. 12:43 PM - Here's what it's all about..... (Jim Markle) 10. 01:34 PM - Re: Here's what it's all about..... (Joe Krzes) 11. 01:34 PM - Re: Iron Butt Brousseau (BFD) 12. 03:11 PM - Re: flight endurance (Gary Gower) 13. 03:25 PM - prop limits (Richard deCosta) 14. 03:49 PM - Cable cutting (Gary McNeel) 15. 04:14 PM - SS Cable Cutters (Paul Gagliano) 16. 04:17 PM - Re: Cable cutting (Gene Rambo) 17. 04:33 PM - Re: Cable cutting (Dick and Marge Gillespie) 18. 04:44 PM - Re: Cable cutting (Cy Galley) 19. 05:06 PM - Re: Cable cutting (walter evans) 20. 05:10 PM - Re: Cable cutting (walter evans) 21. 05:47 PM - Re: Cable cutting (Wayne McIntosh) 22. 06:22 PM - Re: Brodhead (clif) 23. 06:33 PM - Cable cutting (D. Engelkenjohn) 24. 06:34 PM - Re: flight endurance (John Dilatush) 25. 08:36 PM - Re: Cable cutting (Alex Sloan) 26. 09:15 PM - Re: prop limits (John McNarry) 27. 10:44 PM - Cable Cutters... (Gary McNeel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:13 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" John "Mountain Piet" Dilatush wrote- >some of my friends are suggesting that I should install a >55 gallon drum of fuel in the front cockpit >My only concern with this scheme is bladder capacity. >What do you think? Install a flexible membrane in the middle of the fuel drum. Run your fuel line out the bottom of the drum and your relief tube outlet into the top of the drum. As fuel is used up and the membrane moves down in the drum, you'll end up with plenty of relief tube capacity in the top. Heck, you could even rig up a coffee warmer off the exhaust manifold jacket and live the high life while traveling ;o) Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:23 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: "...some damn elitist" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) It's not an issue of keeping interested people away, it's an issue of the Piet flyin becoming so laborious that the volunteers are literally ran into the ground. These folks are the reason that there is a Piet. fly in. I think we are taking them for granted. A few extra sheckles in the coffee can isn't going to help. It's not a question of money. The volunteers are doing it for free and everyone who eats pays for their meal. These good folks start working on the Pietenpol fly in weeks in advance and it would be just as easy for them to go up to Osh. and volunteer their time or just set in a lawn chair and watch the early birds arrive. Which would you rather do, relax at Osh. or work your @%& off at Brodhead. Leon S. Seeing the hand writing on the wall. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:26 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Don, You still dont get the message, even for me (english second language) was clear... What he wants to say is something very "normal" for some pilots: "Hey, lets go ALL OF US to Brodhead, is a cool place to stay , just a few days before Airventure, they have a little Piet Fly Inn and also some camping area and services... Doesnt matter that we are 200 planes with two people in each one, is THEIR problem... Joe Doe (a Piet builder) invited us.... This is exactly what he said NOT: "No Piet airplanes allowded" JEESS is clear as water for me. Saludos Gary Gower Piet lover, 701 builder, No Not going this year :-) --- ADonJr@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ADonJr@aol.com > > Gene, and others, > As part of the "sizeable N. California contingent" which came > in and > "took over" the Pietenpol Fly-in, I'd like to state that I came > because I am > a Piet enthusiast, a potential builder and thought that we were > welcome. The > tone of the comments I'm reading now, from other Piet enthusiasts > makes me > question the attitude of those folks. I have always been attracted > to the > Piet, and to the type of people who have been similarly drawn to it. > I have > attended Brodhead Fly-ins on three occasions, and been made to feel > welcome. > I hope that this group is not going to adopt the attitude that > "outsiders" > are not welcome. That would be more than sad. > > Don Cooley > Ercoupe N3571H > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:53 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Why not just drop this thread altogether before it gets ugly. Everyone has made their point(s). Anyway, I'd rather read about your airplanes.. John do not archive John Ford jford@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> CRAIGWILCOX@peoplepc.com Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:42:11 PM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig Wilcox" Now, don't ya'll go getting upset 'cause some damn elitist tried to become more of one! If yall are interested in Piets, it doesn't matter what you arrive in - enjoy yourselves! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ADonJr@aol.com > > Gene, and others, > As part of the "sizeable N. California contingent" which came in and > "took over" the Pietenpol Fly-in, I'd like to state that I came because I am > a Piet enthusiast, a potential builder and thought that we were welcome. The > tone of the comments I'm reading now, from other Piet enthusiasts makes me > question the attitude of those folks. I have always been attracted to the > Piet, and to the type of people who have been similarly drawn to it. I have > attended Brodhead Fly-ins on three occasions, and been made to feel welcome. > I hope that this group is not going to adopt the attitude that "outsiders" > are not welcome. That would be more than sad. > > Don Cooley > Ercoupe N3571H > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:27 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: no motels, one shower per gender, and a few volunteers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Group--- Brodhead is not the ideal place for most to 'lay over' on the way to Oshkosh. Airports like Watertown that have motels and food at the edge of the airport property are the places that draw the majority of the transient traffic to and from Oshkosh. The Piet fly-in has always drawn other traffic just like any other type-fly in and that is just fine, but by and large there usually isn't a big crowd of anybody there, including Piets. Brodhead is great for camping out under your wing or around the building/pavilion area. The hangars on the south side of the field are full of some really neat antiques and projects that rich guys from Chicago own and come to play with on the weekends to get away from everything. Course other planes based there are owned by locals too. The place is huge---they could park a hundred planes if they wanted to like they do for their fall fly Grassroots Fly in, so parking certainly won't be a problem---especially for Pietenpols since they take up such a teeny tiny area. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:49 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I see a mass flight of Pietenpols deveoping.... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Well Gene: Take the phone and beguin to make those important calls NOW! :-) Have lots of fun, enjoy it as much as you can, and take notes (and photos) for the ones that we cant go... Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- Gene Rambo wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > Mine will be model A powered. I am trying to take my Travel Air to > Kitty > Hawk, depending on the weather, of course. I have not made a > reservation > which may be a mistake, but I am friends with the guys building the > replica > that is to be flown and they have listed me as a support vehicle. I > don't > know about anywhere to stay. > > Gene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Phillips" > To: > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I see a mass flight of Pietenpols > deveoping.... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > > Matt & Gene, > > > > Are yours A Model powered or Continental? I think a flight of > three would > > be great. Since you are both in Virginia, are you planning on > coming down > > to Kittyhawk in December for the 100th anniversary celebration? > I'm > trying > > desperately to get mine flying in time to fly it there. I've > already got > my > > parking spot reserved. > > > > Oh well, just came up from the basement to get the PolyBrush fumes > out of > my > > lungs. Back to covering. > > > > Jack > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Gene > Rambo > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:28 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I see a mass flight of > Pietenpols > deveoping.... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > > > > > > > > Jack, we ought to hook up and fly out together next year, > assuming mine > is > > > done. Imagine what we could stir up with a flight of 2! > > > > > > Matt Paxton > > > > > > Matt, add me to that list!! Flight of 3!! > > > > Gene > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Overcast OSH 2004 From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" I did have to take a few detours around the rocks, but ridge lift did the work the continental couldn't. 10,500' that trip. Looking forward to doing it again. You still win though I only put 45 hours or so on that trip. I'll hopefully have my chase plane finished by then and my brother and I will swap flying duties in the piet and Stinson 108 support vehicle. Ted, have a I gleaned that you are building a new ship? Steve e. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Brousseau Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Overcast OSH 2004 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Steve, I thought we agreed that, although the GPS said I flew further, you came a longer distance because my route was flat and you had all that up and down distance going over those real mountains. Glad to hear you are coming again next year. Looking forward to it. Walt, the good news is that the first 2 hours is the worst part of the trip. I don't know if you get use to it or just numb but it all starts becoming acceptable. In fact, by the time I landed 2 weeks and 62 landings later I hated to have to get out of that cockpit knowing that I wasn't getting back in it the next morning. Kind of grows on you. Ted Brousseau ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Eldredge" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Overcast OSH 2004 > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" > > 17? > > I thought it was 22. Maybe that was at Brodhead and we had 17 fly in to > OSH. In any case that was a blast. I'm bringing my piet again next > year for the 75th. I still can't believe south florida is further than > Utah, maps and gps notwithstanding. Looking forward to it! > > Steve e. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted > Brousseau > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Overcast OSH 2004 > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" > > > Jack, > > What a great idea. We had 17 Piets for the 70th in 99. Should be able > to > double that if the number of newly built Piets show up too. > > Doc Mosher, Mike Cuy, Bill Rewey who do we need to talk to (if anyone) > and > what do we need to do? > > I will be there from South Florida. I got that new foam for the seat > cushion just for this event. > > Ted > > PS I am hoping to be at Brodhead this year in my Cessna 140. Would be > proud to park next to Chris. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Phillips" > To: > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I get it > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > > Hear, Hear!! > > > > I used to own a Cessna 140 and would be proud to fly it into Brodhead. > I > > would even be proud to fly the Cherokee that I'm driving now (while > trying > > to earn an instrument rating) in there, even though it has one of > those > > "training wheels" hanging under its chin. > > > > Frankly, I doubt if all the Tailwinds in the world would strain the > > resources of any decent fly-in. There just can't be that many of > them. > Now > > if an RV fly-in dropped in, that might be a problem. > > > > To a different, but related topic: Has anyone started thinking about > NEXT > > year (2004), when the design we all love will be the grand old age of > 75? > > Is there going to be a crowd of Piets at Brodhead, to then assemble > and > > attack Oshkosh en masse? I for one am planning on bringing NX899JP to > > Wisconsin then. It will be an interesting trip - 900 miles over the > > Appalachian mountains and around Chicago (or right over O'Hare - I've > got > a > > mode C transponder. Imagine the frustration of approach control > > "Experimental 899 Juliet Papa, can you please expedite? We show you > doing > > only 60 knots.") > > > > Jack Phillips > > > > Raleigh, NC > > > > Covering my rudder tonight > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > > Isablcorky@aol.com > > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:34 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I get it > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > > > Do not archive > > > > How nice it would be to be able to fly into Brodhead whether it be in > a > Piet > > or anything else that flys.Count your blessings and let's all smile > and be > > happy. > > > > YKW in YKW > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:33 AM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance ++++++++++++++++++ Oscar, Good idea! But why the membrane, the mixing of ingredients would only raise the octane of the fuel, wouldn't it? :o) John ++++++++++++++++++++++++ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > John "Mountain Piet" Dilatush wrote- > > >some of my friends are suggesting that I should install a > >55 gallon drum of fuel in the front cockpit > >My only concern with this scheme is bladder capacity. > >What do you think? > > Install a flexible membrane in the middle of the fuel drum. Run your fuel > line out the bottom of the drum and your relief tube outlet into the top of > the drum. As fuel is used up and the membrane moves down in the drum, > you'll end up with plenty of relief tube capacity in the top. Heck, you > could even rig up a coffee warmer off the exhaust manifold jacket and live > the high life while traveling ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:24 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Here's what it's all about..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > Really, this is the real deal (click on the link below)......a very nicely built Pietenpol > almost ready for taxi testing/runup, hanger talk, just sittin' around > sharing how we got into this sweet obsession...... > > When I grow up this is where I wanna hang out...... > > Jim in Plano, just expoxied the last (I hope my boss doesn't read this...) > piece of 1/16x2 ply to the center section end ribs, UPS just delivered the > filler cap and neck from Wag Aero, just waiting on the Stearman type fuel > level guage and the center section will be ready for one last coat of > varnish/covering!!! WOHOOOOOOOOO!!! > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > (If you can't click on this link, try copying and pasting it > > into your web browser.) > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:21 PM PST US From: "Joe Krzes" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Here's what it's all about..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Joe Krzes" Nice pictures Jim. Is that a matching minimax in the hangar? Interesting details on the piet... Wooden cabanes (any steel in there?) Flop cam latch. Wooden rudder bar. Machine gun mounted on center section. Joe Spring, TX Do Not Archive >From: "Jim Markle" > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > > > Really, this is the real deal (click on the link below)......a very >nicely >built Pietenpol > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:23 PM PST US From: "BFD" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Iron Butt Brousseau --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "BFD" Dear YKW and others, The sport pilot issue will help some of us who can pass a physical but just can't afford a $125.00 physical. I finally located one 50 miles away that does it for $80.00. Thats still 2 much. Anybody know what is the earliest you can arrive and set up camp at Brodhead? Thanks,Bill > Get ready Brodhead, here we come. > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:09 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower YES it can rise the octane, but remember: Alcohol will ruin some carburator gaskets :-) Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- John Dilatush wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance > ++++++++++++++++++ > Oscar, > > Good idea! But why the membrane, the mixing of ingredients would > only raise > the octane of the fuel, wouldn't it? :o) > > John > ++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > > > John "Mountain Piet" Dilatush wrote- > > > > >some of my friends are suggesting that I should install a > > >55 gallon drum of fuel in the front cockpit > > >My only concern with this scheme is bladder capacity. > > >What do you think? > > > > Install a flexible membrane in the middle of the fuel drum. Run > your fuel > > line out the bottom of the drum and your relief tube outlet into > the top > of > > the drum. As fuel is used up and the membrane moves down in the > drum, > > you'll end up with plenty of relief tube capacity in the top. > Heck, you > > could even rig up a coffee warmer off the exhaust manifold jacket > and live > > the high life while traveling ;o) > > > > Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:16 PM PST US From: Richard deCosta Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop limits --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard deCosta Hey all. What would you say is the optimal prop size for a Ford Piet? What's too big? I have a chance to buy one, but it looks pretty big. ===== http://www.RicharddeCosta.com __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:48 PM PST US From: "Gary McNeel" "Nieuport Builders Group" , "Pietenpol Group" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my doubts about the HF one, but it was cheap. What have you guys used? Dremel with a cutoff wheel? Hack saw (this kind of works, takes a bit of dressing up afterward)? I need it to cut stainless up the 1/8". Thanks. Gary P. McNeel, Jr. MyKitPlane.com EAA Chapter 12, Houston gmcneel@mykitplane.com gmcneel@simdesk.com http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=319 "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?" - Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:15 PM PST US From: "Paul Gagliano" Subject: Pietenpol-List: SS Cable Cutters --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Paul Gagliano" Try a marine store that sells SS rigging wire for sailboats- the blades 'capture' the wire as it cuts ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:30 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" There is a special cable cutter you can buy from aviation tool supply places. I just bought my third or fourth one (they keep walking away) and I think it was about $40. The blades come together in a circular motion so that they don't crush the cable but cut around it evenly. If you want, I'll find the catalog and part number. I dont know of anything else that works better. Gene ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:25 PM PST US From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" Vise anvil and cold chisel. DickG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McNeel" Builders Group" ; "Pietenpol Group" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" > > I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth > cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just > bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my doubts > about the HF one, but it was cheap. > > What have you guys used? Dremel with a cutoff wheel? Hack saw (this kind of > works, takes a bit of dressing up afterward)? I need it to cut stainless up > the 1/8". Thanks. > > Gary P. McNeel, Jr. > MyKitPlane.com > EAA Chapter 12, Houston > gmcneel@mykitplane.com > gmcneel@simdesk.com > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=319 > > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?" > > - Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane. > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:15 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Sharp Cold chisel against a steel block works very well. I have even seen a wood chisel used but the edge doesn't last very long. Takes a sharp rap with a hammer. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McNeel" Builders Group" ; "Pietenpol Group" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" > > I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth > cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just > bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my doubts > about the HF one, but it was cheap. > > What have you guys used? Dremel with a cutoff wheel? Hack saw (this kind of > works, takes a bit of dressing up afterward)? I need it to cut stainless up > the 1/8". Thanks. > > Gary P. McNeel, Jr. > MyKitPlane.com > EAA Chapter 12, Houston > gmcneel@mykitplane.com > gmcneel@simdesk.com > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=319 > > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?" > > - Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane. > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:38 PM PST US From: "walter evans" "N11_Technical Group" , "Nieuport Builders Group" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" I used a dremmel with a cutoff wheel. This works good but you have to separate the two cables with a scrap of alum so you don't cut strands on the good cable. Oh yeah, wrap the piece to be cut in masking tape, this way the strands don't "birdcage" on you. This worked for me on two projects. Tony B. suggests the cold chissel method. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McNeel" Builders Group" ; "Pietenpol Group" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" > > I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth > cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just > bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my doubts > about the HF one, but it was cheap. > > What have you guys used? Dremel with a cutoff wheel? Hack saw (this kind of > works, takes a bit of dressing up afterward)? I need it to cut stainless up > the 1/8". Thanks. > > Gary P. McNeel, Jr. > MyKitPlane.com > EAA Chapter 12, Houston > gmcneel@mykitplane.com > gmcneel@simdesk.com > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=319 > > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?" > > - Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:20 PM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter evans" ; "Nieuport Builders Group" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting > I used a dremmel with a cutoff wheel. This works good but you have to > separate the two cables with a scrap of alum so you don't cut strands on the > good cable. Oh yeah, wrap the piece to be cut in masking tape, this way the > strands don't "birdcage" on you. This worked for me on two projects. > Tony B. suggests the cold chissel method. > walt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary McNeel" > To: "N11_Technical Group" ; "Nieuport > Builders Group" ; "Pietenpol Group" > > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:55 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" > > > > > I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth > > cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just > > bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my > doubts > > about the HF one, but it was cheap. > > > > What have you guys used? Dremel with a cutoff wheel? Hack saw (this kind > of > > works, takes a bit of dressing up afterward)? I need it to cut stainless > up > > the 1/8". Thanks. > > > > Gary P. McNeel, Jr. > > MyKitPlane.com > > EAA Chapter 12, Houston > > gmcneel@mykitplane.com > > gmcneel@simdesk.com > > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=319 > > > > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?" > > > > - Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply > to > > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his > plane. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:37 PM PST US From: "Wayne McIntosh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh" 1. Wrap the cable with masking tape were you plan to cut it. 2. Lay the cable on an anvil or other hard piece of thick steel. 3. Place a sharp cold chisel against the cable where you want to cut it. 4. Hit the chisel hard with a hammer. 5. Take the mashing tape off of the perfectly cut cable. Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McNeel" Builders Group" ; "Pietenpol Group" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" > > I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth > cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just > bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my doubts > about the HF one, but it was cheap. > > What have you guys used? Dremel with a cutoff wheel? Hack saw (this kind of > works, takes a bit of dressing up afterward)? I need it to cut stainless up > the 1/8". Thanks. > > Gary P. McNeel, Jr. > MyKitPlane.com > EAA Chapter 12, Houston > gmcneel@mykitplane.com > gmcneel@simdesk.com > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=319 > > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?" > > - Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane. > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:57 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif My two cents worth. When you arrive, volunteer. Sit those hardworking boys down, give them beer and hamburgers and thank them profusely for putting the show on. Then go clean the latrine. Clif, on the far side of the mountains. If anyone's interested I went to see the Mars waterbombers. Pics at www.mykitplane.com in my pic file--in the one labeled Victoria Piets. What if this thing turned up??? ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:38 PM PST US From: "D. Engelkenjohn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" I use a dremel with a cut off wheel. Bought two tubes of the little wheels and two arbors for a nominal sum. Got the dremels in pawn shops for about $10 ea. Worth their weight in gold, especially for cable. Harbor Freight cutters make a fair paper weight, not a good one though. Dennis ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:00 PM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance +++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks Gary, I guess I'm OK, the engine is fuel injected! John +++++++++++++++++++++++ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > YES it can rise the octane, but remember: Alcohol will ruin some > carburator gaskets :-) > > Saludos > Gary Gower > > Do not archive > > > --- John Dilatush wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > Oscar, > > > > Good idea! But why the membrane, the mixing of ingredients would > > only raise > > the octane of the fuel, wouldn't it? :o) > > > > John > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > > > > > > John "Mountain Piet" Dilatush wrote- > > > > > > >some of my friends are suggesting that I should install a > > > >55 gallon drum of fuel in the front cockpit > > > >My only concern with this scheme is bladder capacity. > > > >What do you think? > > > > > > Install a flexible membrane in the middle of the fuel drum. Run > > your fuel > > > line out the bottom of the drum and your relief tube outlet into > > the top > > of > > > the drum. As fuel is used up and the membrane moves down in the > > drum, > > > you'll end up with plenty of relief tube capacity in the top. > > Heck, you > > > could even rig up a coffee warmer off the exhaust manifold jacket > > and live > > > the high life while traveling ;o) > > > > > > Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) > > > San Antonio, TX > > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:14 PM PST US From: "Alex Sloan" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" Gary, Have you tried a sharp chisel with the cable laying on the anvil? Some say this works great. Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McNeel" Builders Group" ; "Pietenpol Group" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" > > I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth > cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just > bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my doubts > about the HF one, but it was cheap. > > What have you guys used? Dremel with a cutoff wheel? Hack saw (this kind of > works, takes a bit of dressing up afterward)? I need it to cut stainless up > the 1/8". Thanks. > > Gary P. McNeel, Jr. > MyKitPlane.com > EAA Chapter 12, Houston > gmcneel@mykitplane.com > gmcneel@simdesk.com > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=319 > > "What's the hurry? Are you afraid I won't come back?" > > - Manfred von Richthofen, 'The Red Baron,' last recorded words, in reply to > a request for an autograph as he was climbing into the cockpit of his plane. > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:07 PM PST US From: "John McNarry" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop limits --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" Hi Richard Interested in that answer my self. I figure the tall wheels for ground clearance tail up, and then fit the biggest diameter you can. The pitch is the tough question as everyone seems to have a different way of measuring it. I figure the engine should pull under cruise RPM static and will likely spin faster in cruise. I'm planning to run my modified B on a dyno to find the rpm that it produces a happy amount of power with out over revving it. The slower rpm and higher torque of the Fords means they should be able to swing a large diameter. The large thrust disk should blow some air back past that draggy airframe. Grin! Weigh in guys, what works here? John Mc P.S. Good to see you on the list again Richard. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard deCosta Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop limits --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard deCosta Hey all. What would you say is the optimal prop size for a Ford Piet? What's too big? I have a chance to buy one, but it looks pretty big. ===== http://www.RicharddeCosta.com __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:33 PM PST US From: "Gary McNeel" "N11_Technical Group" , "Nieuport Builders Group" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Cutters... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" Well, I used the wood chisel (all I had) and it worked BEAUTIFULLY. I may invest in the more expensive cutters if need be, maybe I can find them locally. Thanks to all of you who gave me some advice. This building an airplane is a blast. -Gary