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1. 04:42 AM - Re: prop limits (Gene Rambo)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: flight endurance (Cy Galley)
3. 08:53 AM - Cable cutting (Edwin Johnson)
4. 10:07 AM - Re: Cable cutting (DJ Vegh)
5. 10:20 AM - Does anyone on the list... (Ken Rickards)
6. 03:34 PM - Re: Iron Butt Brousseau (Cinda Gadd)
7. 10:11 PM - Re: prop limits (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
I am thinking about getting a prop for my model A, too. If we reach a
concensus, maybe we could find a shop that would give a better price if we
order two or three of the same props?? I'd like to hear from everyone
flying a model A and what prop they have.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop limits
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
>
> Hi Richard
> Interested in that answer my self. I figure the tall wheels for ground
> clearance tail up, and then fit the biggest diameter you can. The pitch is
> the tough question as everyone seems to have a different way of measuring
> it. I figure the engine should pull under cruise RPM static and will
likely
> spin faster in cruise. I'm planning to run my modified B on a dyno to find
> the rpm that it produces a happy amount of power with out over revving it.
> The slower rpm and higher torque of the Fords means they should be able to
> swing a large diameter. The large thrust disk should blow some air back
past
> that draggy airframe. Grin!
>
> Weigh in guys, what works here?
>
> John Mc
>
> P.S.
> Good to see you on the list again Richard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
> deCosta
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop limits
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard deCosta
> <curiousspider@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey all. What would you say is the optimal prop size
> for a Ford Piet? What's too big? I have a chance to
> buy one, but it looks pretty big.
>
> =====
> http://www.RicharddeCosta.com
>
> __________________________________
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>
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| Subject: | Re: flight endurance |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Gaskets are the least of your worries with alcohol. Alcohol is a weak
organic acid and in the presence of water will corrode many metals parts. I
have been told that as little as 3% alcohol will cause problems.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance
> +++++++++++++++++++++++
> Thanks Gary,
>
> I guess I'm OK, the engine is fuel injected!
>
> John
> +++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> >
> > YES it can rise the octane, but remember: Alcohol will ruin some
> > carburator gaskets :-)
> >
> > Saludos
> > Gary Gower
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> > --- John Dilatush <dilatush@amigo.net> wrote:
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush"
> > > <dilatush@amigo.net>
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: flight endurance
> > > ++++++++++++++++++
> > > Oscar,
> > >
> > > Good idea! But why the membrane, the mixing of ingredients would
> > > only raise
> > > the octane of the fuel, wouldn't it? :o)
> > >
> > > John
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> > > <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > John "Mountain Piet" Dilatush wrote-
> > > >
> > > > >some of my friends are suggesting that I should install a
> > > > >55 gallon drum of fuel in the front cockpit
> > > > >My only concern with this scheme is bladder capacity.
> > > > >What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Install a flexible membrane in the middle of the fuel drum. Run
> > > your fuel
> > > > line out the bottom of the drum and your relief tube outlet into
> > > the top
> > > of
> > > > the drum. As fuel is used up and the membrane moves down in the
> > > drum,
> > > > you'll end up with plenty of relief tube capacity in the top.
> > > Heck, you
> > > > could even rig up a coffee warmer off the exhaust manifold jacket
> > > and live
> > > > the high life while traveling ;o)
> > > >
> > > > Oscar Zuniga (do not archive)
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> > > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Edwin Johnson <elj@shreve.net>
Hello Gary,
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" <gmcneel@mykitplane.com>
>
> I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth
> cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just
> bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my doubts
> about the HF one, but it was cheap.
The best tool I've ever seen is the Felco C-7, which sells for about $50.
A friend who is an A&P here in Shreveport has one and I've used it several
times for cables on the Maule. I wrote down the manufacturer and model so
I could get one if I needed to do lots of cable work. Finally I found the
following url: www.floridaplants.com/Store/pruners4.htm
A search for Felco might give other sources which sell this product. My
A&P friend reported that HF was now selling a replica of this tool for
about $45-50, but I can't verify that and would not know about its
quality.
...Edwin
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~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj@shreve.net ~
~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~
~ ~
~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~
~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~
~ for there you have been, there you long ~
~ to return." -- da Vinci ~
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| Subject: | Re: Cable cutting |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
AS&S has the Felco C7 for $44
I ordered mine last week.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Edwin Johnson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 7:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable cutting
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Edwin Johnson <elj@shreve.net>
Hello Gary,
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" <gmcneel@mykitplane.com>
>
> I am trying to cut 1/8" cable and having trouble getting a clean, smooth
> cut. I bought the small cable cutters from Harbor Freight, but they just
> bend it. I could not find a good one at Home Depot or Loews. I had my doubts
> about the HF one, but it was cheap.
The best tool I've ever seen is the Felco C-7, which sells for about $50.
A friend who is an A&P here in Shreveport has one and I've used it several
times for cables on the Maule. I wrote down the manufacturer and model so
I could get one if I needed to do lots of cable work. Finally I found the
following url: www.floridaplants.com/Store/pruners4.htm
A search for Felco might give other sources which sell this product. My
A&P friend reported that HF was now selling a replica of this tool for
about $45-50, but I can't verify that and would not know about its
quality.
...Edwin
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~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj@shreve.net ~
~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~
~ ~
~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~
~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~
~ for there you have been, there you long ~
~ to return." -- da Vinci ~
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| Subject: | Does anyone on the list... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
Does anyone on the list live in the Knoxville, Tn. or Richmond Va. area. I
have a 3 month contract split between these 2 city's. Just wondering if
there was anyone to visit while I'm down there.
Ken,
GN1 2992
Canada
Ken Rickards
Cole Vision Canada
80 Centurion Drive,
Markham, Ontario.
L3R 8C1
tel 905-940-8675 ext 237
krickards@CVCI.com
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| Subject: | Re: Iron Butt Brousseau |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
BFD,
I usually try to arrive on the Wednesday, but that
is kind of early, most don't start arriving until Thursday night or Friday
morning.
Skip in Atlanta
----- Original Message -----
From: BFD
. Anybody know what is the
earliest you can arrive and set up camp at Brodhead? Thanks,Bill
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 5/15/03 5:26:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
curiousspider@yahoo.com writes:
<< Hey all. What would you say is the optimal prop size
for a Ford Piet? What's too big? I have a chance to
buy one, but it looks pretty big. >>
The optimal prop size depends on how much horsepower you are getting from
your engine. The prop that Orin Hoopman drew plans for, dated 3/3/33, was
for a 76 X 48 prop. I believe this is the size that B.H.P used on his Model
A engines. It's called a 'Paddle Blade Prop', because chord is quite a bit
wider at about half way out the blade. These are the plans I used to build
the prop for my Model A, but mine was 75" dia. Doug Bryant used a 76 X 48 on
his Piet. Stock engine, I would get about 1650 rpm during ground run - up,
and unloaded in cruise flight I would get close to 1800 rpm. These are close
to the numbers that Doug got. Ken Perkins (Kansas City) thought we were
running too much prop for the Model A, and he uses a smaller dia and pitch,
but I don't remember what it was. Therefore he would run it at a higher rpm,
and take advantage of the higher horsepower above 2000 rpm. His Model A has
a pressure oil system, and that is DEFINATELY the way to go. The ol' Model
has potential to make good reliable power, but it has to be built to take
advantage of this potential...such as pressure oil system, improved induction
system, forged pistons, and a better prop flange / hub, to mention a few.
Chuck Gantzer
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