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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Wing length (rhartwig11@juno.com)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Piet builders in Montana? (tim moody)
3. 05:42 AM - STOL Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:05 AM - Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came from???? (Jim Markle)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came from???? (Gene Rambo)
6. 07:04 AM - Re: Clipped wing Piet (w b evans)
7. 07:31 AM - Carl Loar----First Flight ?? (Michael D Cuy)
8. 08:29 AM - more questions (Gene Rambo)
9. 10:33 AM - Re: more questions (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 12:35 PM - Re: Carl Loar----First Flight ?? (Carl Loar)
11. 01:20 PM - Re: Carl Loar----First Flight ?? (Michael D Cuy)
12. 04:35 PM - Re: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came from???? (Michael Conkling)
13. 10:55 PM - Re: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came (clif)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Long wing: Bill Rewey added 1 foot to the center section and made the
outer wing panels as to plans. This makes his span 29 feet. The plane
flys beautifully and climbs great with 2-200 plus pound people aboard.
Short wing: In the U.S. the inspector should not be concerned with
whether you followed the plans as to wing length or other modifications.
You are building a one-off experimental.
Dick H.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet builders in Montana? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: tim moody <tj_moody@yahoo.com>
Dick
Thanks for the reply. I have been watching the list
for about 6 months and have enjoyed reading the posts.
I would like to start building next winter. I am
wondering which I should build, the Piet or the GN-1.
What did you build? What did you use for power? Is
your project complete? Well, I had better get to it.
Have a good day. Thanks again.
Tim Moody
--- Richard Navratril <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard
> Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> Hi Tim
> We are in St. Paul, Mn. but fly into Bozeman on a
> regular basis. We spend
> lots of time in Gardner.
> I always like to talk Piet's. I get lots of spare
> time while my wife hits
> the antique shops around Four Corners.
> Dick Navratil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tim moody" <tj_moody@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders in Montana?
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: tim moody
> <tj_moody@yahoo.com>
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> > I am hoping to build an GN-1 or Pietenpol in the
> next
> > year after I complete my house. Does anyone know
> of a
> > builder in the Bozeman area (southwestern
> Montana)? I
> > would love to go talk to a builder about
> construction
> > and flying of a Piet or GN-1.
> >
> > Looking forward to utilizing the experience and
> > expertise offered by this list.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Tim
> >
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
John writes-
>has anyone done anything with a longer-winged Piet?
>Slats perhaps? I'm curious about anything that might
>make it more STOL-ish in a respectful (and safe) way.
Whoa! A Piet with vortex generators! ;o) I think one of the ways to make
it STOL-ish is to try the approach used by John Dilatush with his turbo'd,
redriven Subaru. I think his plane pops off the ground pretty handily just
due to the added muscle. My thought is that one could certainly apply a
more efficient low-speed airfoil to the airplane, but this gets into the
category of 'sacrilege' among Pieters.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came from???? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
or can be found????
The following link is from the EAA Airventrue Museum site:
http://www.airventuremuseum.org/collection/aircraft/Pietenpol%20Air%20Camper
%20Builders%20Notes.asp#TopOfPage
it shows plan and elevation views (well, parts of views) that I've never
seen before and I would LOVE to get a copy of those plans.....
Anyone have any idea how to do that or where the plans came from?
Thanks,
JM in Plano, TX......
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came from???? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
That looks like those Paul Matt drawings (I think that's the right name)
from Historic Aviation Albums in California. I have some of them around
here somewhere (not the Piet, others). I have to find them, I forget who is
selling them now, I think someone in Arizona.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came
from????
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> or can be found????
>
> The following link is from the EAA Airventrue Museum site:
>
>
http://www.airventuremuseum.org/collection/aircraft/Pietenpol%20Air%20Camper
> %20Builders%20Notes.asp#TopOfPage
>
> it shows plan and elevation views (well, parts of views) that I've never
> seen before and I would LOVE to get a copy of those plans.....
>
> Anyone have any idea how to do that or where the plans came from?
>
> Thanks,
> JM in Plano, TX......
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clipped wing Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Stefen,
My Piet will fit nicely into my 30' wide Cover-it hanger, even though the
actual door opening is less than 28'..
I worried alot about it till I saw the guy next to me with the same 30' wide
put his old Cessna 120 with the 33 foot wingspan, inside in 2 minutes.
I use the same method of "nose first,K turn" method .
nose first in off center to the right, at the threshold, drive the nose to
the right pivoting on the right wheel. Now the plane is crosswise to the
opening with centerline about 4 feet inside. Now walk the tail to the
opposite rear corner. You're done. Just did it about 2 hours ago when I
put the piet away.
walt
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Vorkoetter" <stefan@capable.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clipped wing Piet
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter
<stefan@capable.ca>
>
> I'm considering starting building a Piet some time in the next few years,
> and there's one modification I want to make. My hangar door opening is 28
> feet wide, so I'd like to make the wing 27'6".
>
> My extensive experience with model airplane aerodynamics leads me to
> believe it won't be a problem, but will the inspector and/or insurance
> company disagree?
>
> Thanks
> Stefan Vorkoetter
>
>
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| Subject: | Carl Loar----First Flight ?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Hello Carl-- I know that you were chomping at the bit for this rough winter
to pass from us in the nawth (as Corky sez)
and just was wondering if you have had a chance to finish up the details
and get some taxi tests done. Not even sure
if you've had your inspection actually. Hope you get some air under your
wings this summer !
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
I am determined to get this list talking, and building, and flying . . . and
whatever
To add to yesterday's questions:
6. Again, to those of you who are building Model A powered, the drawings
show the ash engine bearers angled down. The drawing suggests that the ash
bearers are notched at the aft end so that they sit flat on the front
fuselage cross piece. Wouldn't it be better, rather than reduce the
strength of the ash engine bearer by notching it, to simply put a hardwood
wedge under the aft end? What are others doing??
More to come . . .
Gene
FINALLY starting to make progress
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| Subject: | Re: more questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Appreciate your comments regarding changes (progress). If we were to build
without thinking that there could be a better way, and there usually is, we
would still be driving our family to church in T models with Jr doing the
cranking.
Corky and Isabelle in La where today is one of the most beautiful days I've
ever remembered.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Carl Loar----First Flight ?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Mikey,,, Going out this weekend to put the final touches on. Plan on calling
the inspector within next couple of weeks. I had to fine tune my carb and
heat box. Should be running up and down the grass by next week. I'll shout
for shure when I do.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carl Loar----First Flight ??
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Hello Carl-- I know that you were chomping at the bit for this rough
winter
> to pass from us in the nawth (as Corky sez)
> and just was wondering if you have had a chance to finish up the details
> and get some taxi tests done. Not even sure
> if you've had your inspection actually. Hope you get some air under your
> wings this summer !
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carl Loar----First Flight ?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Carl-- Never too soon to give the inspector a head's up. It took a
looooong while for mine to show up. Maybe you are having a DAR. Those
guys usually show up much quicker since they fetch $$$ for the sign
off. My inspector wanted the cowling off and wanted to see the engine
ran-up. I knew this ahead so had everything unbuttoned. I also had all
the inspection holes open. One thing I did not do was remove the wing root
fairings. (us three-piece builders) He didn't ask me to remove
them. Glad to hear you are making hay !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came from???? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
Jim,
They look like the drawings that appeared in the mid-60's issues of "Air
Progress" -- they may have been with the Pete Bowers article on the Piet
(the one with the picture of Pete topping up the radiator using a coffee
pot)
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came
from????
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> or can be found????
>
> The following link is from the EAA Airventrue Museum site:
>
>
http://www.airventuremuseum.org/collection/aircraft/Pietenpol%20Air%20Camper
> %20Builders%20Notes.asp#TopOfPage
>
> it shows plan and elevation views (well, parts of views) that I've never
> seen before and I would LOVE to get a copy of those plans.....
>
> Anyone have any idea how to do that or where the plans came from?
>
> Thanks,
> JM in Plano, TX......
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came |
from????
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
I thought so to. I've got those ones sitting in front of
me now and it ain't them.
There also in the Aug 1969 American Aircraft
Modeler.
Too bad as I could have mailed copies to anyone.
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone know where THESE Air Camper plans came
from????
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling"
<hpvs@southwind.net>
>
> Jim,
>
> They look like the drawings that appeared in the mid-60's issues of "Air
> Progress" -- they may have been with the Pete Bowers article on the Piet
> (the one with the picture of Pete topping up the radiator using a coffee
> pot)
> >
>
>
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