Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/03/03


Total Messages Posted: 20



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     1. 04:34 AM - John Dilatush's comments---good reading (Michael D Cuy)
     2. 04:40 AM - Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! (Michael D Cuy)
     3. 04:41 AM - Re: Split Axle Springs (Dick and Marge Gillespie)
     4. 06:22 AM - Chords, aero not music (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     5. 07:08 AM - Re: John Dilatush's comments---good reading (rambog@erols.com)
     6. 07:50 AM - Re: Split Axle Springs (Ronnie Wagner)
     7. 12:34 PM - Re: Piet speed (was Piet rigging) (Alan James)
     8. 04:14 PM - Re: need some input from those who have flown a standard Piet, and also a Piet with dihedral (John Dilatush)
     9. 04:20 PM - Re: Split Axle Springs (Kip & Beth Gardner)
    10. 04:25 PM - Re: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! (w b evans)
    11. 04:45 PM - Bartelsville Bi-plane Expo (Mark Stevens)
    12. 04:58 PM - prop on ebay (Richard deCosta)
    13. 05:49 PM - Chords, aero not music (Daniel Bailey)
    14. 06:40 PM - Re: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! (Jim Malley)
    15. 06:55 PM - Split Axle Springs (D. Engelkenjohn)
    16. 06:58 PM - connecting rod nuts (D. Engelkenjohn)
    17. 07:51 PM - Re: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! (Ted Brousseau)
    18. 08:28 PM - Re: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! (Peter W Johnson)
    19. 08:44 PM - Re: Split Axle Springs (Ronnie Wagner)
    20. 09:22 PM - Emachienshop.com parts soon to be here! (DJ Vegh)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:34:29 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: John Dilatush's comments---good reading
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Guys---it's good to see the list chattering again about Piet stuff ! John's comments about the Piet being draggy and not giving one much time in the flare is so true when compared to other planes we have been used to flying. (especially if you are used to the nice cushion you get when flaring a low-winged airplane on landing.) I often adjust how much speed I carry on the final approach depending on load and other conditions like temperature and wind. Mostly load and temperature. Another thing that takes some getting used to is that never has one's butt been so close to a runway in a flare and it's just natural to flare too high for your first few landings (or in my case 30:) . Mike C.


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    Time: 04:40:12 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Walt-- Would you please talk to all the other pilots in the area who think I'm a whimp on hot bumpy, windy days with my Piet???? I have the EXACT same issues with turbulence as compared to when flying a Cub or Champ or anything heavier. Many others here do not believe me when I say how sensitive my Piet is to turbulence. It's very obvious when I fly to a pancake breakfast (or from more likely) with another plane in loose formation that I am the one getting tossed around, not the other plane. There are very few 2 seat single engine planes out there that have an empty weight near 600 lbs. like ours do. Mike C.


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    Time: 04:41:06 AM PST US
    From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg@peganet.com>
    Subject: Re: Split Axle Springs
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg@peganet.com> Dennis, AS & S catalog for 2001 - 2002 page 214 describes "Shock Absorber Coil Rings" @ $86.25 for a pair. They come with instructions for gear fabrication. They are die springs. DickG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Dallas" <BEC176@msn.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Springs > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <BEC176@msn.com> > > Dennis, The H56 Lamina Springs are Die Springs as used in large stamping > dies. If you have a tool and Die builder in your area he will be able to > get them for you. Another source would be from a McMaster Carr Catalog. > They sell everything you can think of for industry. There Web site is > www.mcmaster.com > > Jim D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Springs > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" > <wingding@usmo.com> > > > > Those of you who are using a split axle on their Aircamper, what type of > > springs did you use and where did you get them? > > > > In an old issue of the BPA there is a spring set up to replace the > > bungees which calls for H56 Lamina springs, what are they? > > > > Dennis Engelkenjohn > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:22:36 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Chords, aero not music
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, Would someone in the know, and that's most of you, list the chords and NACA numbers of the wings of the Cub and aeronca. Would be interesting to compare the airfoils to the BHP FC10. CMC


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    Time: 07:08:18 AM PST US
    From: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
    Subject: John Dilatush's comments---good reading
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com> I agree with you guys. The first time I flew a Piet, someone's A powered one at Brodhead, I came in at what I thought was a good speed but with a healthy sink rate. When I tried to flare a little to slow the descent rate it fell out of the sky. I had to endure a LOT of ribbing from the "bunch" and numerous inspections of the gear. Since then, it has been fast and flat! (not that I get to fly Piets that often) Gene FINALLY MAKING PROGRESS!!!!!!!!! Original Message: ----------------- From: Michael D Cuy Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Dilatush's comments---good reading --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Guys---it's good to see the list chattering again about Piet stuff ! John's comments about the Piet being draggy and not giving one much time in the flare is so true when compared to other planes we have been used to flying. (especially if you are used to the nice cushion you get when flaring a low-winged airplane on landing.) I often adjust how much speed I carry on the final approach depending on load and other conditions like temperature and wind. Mostly load and temperature. Another thing that takes some getting used to is that never has one's butt been so close to a runway in a flare and it's just natural to flare too high for your first few landings (or in my case 30:) . Mike C.


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    Time: 07:50:46 AM PST US
    From: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net>
    Subject: Re: Split Axle Springs
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net> Dennis, I used the A.S. & S springs on mine but a retired tractor dealer looked at them sitting on the table and asked "what are you going to use them Baler tension springs for?". May be you can find them locally. Ronnie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Springs > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com> > > Those of you who are using a split axle on their Aircamper, what type of > springs did you use and where did you get them? > > In an old issue of the BPA there is a spring set up to replace the > bungees which calls for H56 Lamina springs, what are they? > > Dennis Engelkenjohn > >


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    Time: 12:34:16 PM PST US
    From: "Alan James" <MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Piet speed (was Piet rigging)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan James" <MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk> G-BUCO cruises at 70 knots at 2050 rpm on a C90 swinging home made 70 x 48 prop. At 2150 rpm we cruise at 75 knots. The PFA quote a VNE for the Piet of 100 knots. Alan James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet speed (was Piet rigging) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu> > > Nx7229r is 74mph cruise. 104mph VNE. > > I came up with the 104 on my own during flight test phase. The airplane > gave all kinds of complaints at that speed. Lots of wind noise, felt > like it wanted to nose over, stiff controls. Keep it slower and it > will be happy. > > Steve e. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stefan > Vorkoetter > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet speed (was Piet rigging) > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter > <stefan@capable.ca> > > Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > > > 80 mph?????????????? Maybe in my model T but never in a Piet > > Which brings me to a question I've had. How fast can a Piet cruise > (Vno)? > I've heard everything from 65 mph to 95 mph. Also, what's the typical > (Vne)? > > Stefan > >


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    Time: 04:14:04 PM PST US
    From: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
    Subject: Re: need some input from those who have flown a standard
    Piet, and also a Piet with dihedral --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: need some input from those who have flown a standard Piet, and also a Piet with dihedral > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Walt, What you have been experiencing is pretty normal with a Pietenpol. Remember, this plane was designed in 1929 and most planes of that era were judged to be good flyers if they were only controllable! In the intervening 54 years designs have gradually improved, designers have discovered the advantages of Frise ailerons (and other variations) to control adverse yaw, tail volumes have gone from a coefficient of .3 to higher than .5 to improve directional stability and airfoils have changed that are more stable as designers have become more sophisticated. Many other aerodynamic improvements have been made. A Pietenpol is an antique airplane and we can not expect it to fly like a Super Cub, Husky, or Cirrus. When you run into turbulence, and it starts wallowing around, part of the problem is attempting to correct every little deviation. Just relax and let it go, the plane will gradually settle down in it's own way, just not as smoothly as the modern designs of today. Don't change a thing on your plane, it is as it is. And you can brag to all your fiends that you are one of the few, to have the skills of an old-time pilot when you take off into the wild blue yonder! None of this modern sissy stuff for us Pietenpol Pilots! John +++++++++++++++++++++++++ r > > I have been running into an annoying problem with my Piet. In still air it flies beautifully, hands off. but later in the morning when the turbulence starts, I seem to be all over the place, being tossed around like a cork. I couldn't even imagine flying some major cross country in anything but sunset or sunrise. > Could this be from my lack of dihedral, or is it just because it's a light plane. (and mine seems to be one of the lightest.) Maybe the heavier planes are better in the wind. > I would consider putting in the normal dihedral, but I don't want to go thru the labor and time down, only to find out that it really makes no difference. When I was flying the Cub and Aeronca, I didn't seem to feel this. But then again I didn't have enough hours in either to maybe realize it. > Did anyone out there happen to fly both? And if so, was there a big difference? > thanks, > walt evans > >


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    Time: 04:20:34 PM PST US
    From: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Split Axle Springs
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> At 10:49 AM -0400 06/03/03, Ronnie Wagner wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net> > >Dennis, >I used the A.S. & S springs on mine but a retired tractor dealer looked at >them sitting on the table and asked "what are you going to use them Baler >tension springs for?". May be you can find them locally. >Ronnie. If I remember correctly, there have been 2 references to this on the list over the years (my computer is to old & slow to get on the web & do an archive search). If memory serves me, in one post someone mentioned a company in Minneapolis that sells industrial springs (with a part #) & in the other someone listed a John Deere part number (maybe the above-mentioned Baler Tension Springs?) Maybe someone can check the archive? I'm interested in these too & now I can't find either post among the ones I've saved for 'future reference'. Kip Gardner North Canton, OH


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    Time: 04:25:15 PM PST US
    From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Mike, Got an email from a flyer who thought that the problem could be control cables a little on the loose side. Didn't want to post his message to me on the group, but he might have a point. I've always been very wary of over tight control cables and something breaking. Could I/you have slightly slack cables causing this squirrelly condition??? It just bothers me to think that some day on flying to Brodhead in my dreams,,,, and in reality, when the wind kicks up in the real world, I'm lucky to make it back the 15/20 miles to home base. Maybe I'm just a sissy ms. walt evans would it help to carry an anvil in the front hole? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Walt-- Would you please talk to all the other pilots in the area who think > I'm a whimp on hot bumpy, windy days with my Piet???? I have the EXACT > same issues with turbulence as compared to when flying a Cub or Champ or > anything heavier. Many others here do not believe me when I say how > sensitive my Piet is to turbulence. It's very obvious when I fly to a > pancake breakfast (or from more likely) with another plane in loose > formation that I am the one getting tossed around, not the other > plane. There are very few 2 seat single engine planes out there that have > an empty weight near 600 lbs. like ours do. > > Mike C. > >


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    Time: 04:45:18 PM PST US
    From: "Mark Stevens" <taxt@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Bartelsville Bi-plane Expo
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Stevens" <taxt@hotmail.com> Just wanted to pass along to everyone there is a fly in at Bartelsville OK (BVO) this weekend. One of the better ones that I have been too. Great people and an excellent time. Took my first flight in a Bi-plane there and was sold on open cockpit flying after that. If you get a chance come on up. Mark http://www.biplaneexpo.com/ "Once you fly you will walk with your eyes skyward. For there you have been and there you will go again." Leornardo da Vinci 1452-1519


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    Time: 04:58:15 PM PST US
    From: Richard deCosta <curiousspider@yahoo.com>
    Subject: prop on ebay
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard deCosta <curiousspider@yahoo.com> I did a little more research and decided not to use my 82" prop on my piet. I posted it on ebay if anyone's interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=26439&item=2418038376 Richard ===== http://www.RicharddeCosta.com __________________________________


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    Time: 05:49:59 PM PST US
    From: "Daniel Bailey" <dbceltic@micoks.net>
    Subject: Chords, aero not music
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Daniel Bailey" <dbceltic@micoks.net> >Would someone in the know, and that's most of you, list the chords and NACA >numbers of the wings of the Cub and aeronca. Would be interesting to compare >the airfoils to the BHP FC10. Don't know chords offhand, but Aeroncas, depending on model were NACA 4412 or Clark Y. Piper Cubs were USA 35B. Good resource for this stuff is: http://www.aae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads/aircraft.html "The incomplete guide to airfoil usage". Can't find my airfoil book, anybody got the ordinates for these airfoils? Lift curve? Dan Bailey Paola, KS (Building ribs) ---


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    Time: 06:40:14 PM PST US
    From: Jim Malley <jgmalley@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Malley <jgmalley@comcast.net> True cross country jaunts are really tough. Don't believe the anvil would help, I regularly fly at 1250 gross and have often experienced not being able to control altitude within 400 feet each way on a windy sunny day. Tightening and loosening control cables has made no difference. Our trips to Brodhead were made in the mornings and evenings of many days. You can try going above the scattered cumulus but then you can't see the roadsigns. Jim Malley ----- Original Message ----- From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > Mike, > Got an email from a flyer who thought that the problem could be control > cables a little on the loose side. Didn't want to post his message to me on > the group, but he might have a point. I've always been very wary of over > tight control cables and something breaking. Could I/you have slightly > slack cables causing this squirrelly condition??? > It just bothers me to think that some day on flying to Brodhead in my > dreams,,,, and in reality, when the wind kicks up in the real world, I'm > lucky to make it back the 15/20 miles to home base. > Maybe I'm just a sissy > ms. walt evans > would it help to carry an anvil in the front hole? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > > Walt-- Would you please talk to all the other pilots in the area who think > > I'm a whimp on hot bumpy, windy days with my Piet???? I have the EXACT > > same issues with turbulence as compared to when flying a Cub or Champ or > > anything heavier. Many others here do not believe me when I say how > > sensitive my Piet is to turbulence. It's very obvious when I fly to a > > pancake breakfast (or from more likely) with another plane in loose > > formation that I am the one getting tossed around, not the other > > plane. There are very few 2 seat single engine planes out there that have > > an empty weight near 600 lbs. like ours do. > > > > Mike C. > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:55:01 PM PST US
    From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
    Subject: Split Axle Springs
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com> I looked in the archives per Kips suggestion and found: H56 Lamina is a brand and they are available at $17.25 ea. through: Precision Punch and Plastics Minnetonka, MN (800) 227-0690 The springs are also available in extra heavy duty, : XH56 Lamina and are about twice as strong as the regular. Duane Woolsey recommended the heavier duty in June of '99, said his Piet sagged down too far with the weaker ones. The John Deere spring is Part # T143444 and cost was $12.00 ea. Dennis Engelkenjohn


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    Time: 06:58:22 PM PST US
    From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
    Subject: connecting rod nuts
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com> Thanks for all the replies to my question. Oscar hit it on the head with what I wanted. I used the Mexican nut starting method to get them on. My youngest sons girlfriend is a little mexican girl with tiny hands and feet and her little hands fit in the crankcase with room to spare. She's good to have around, hard worker too, more than her boyfriend! Dennis Engelkenjohn


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    Time: 07:51:01 PM PST US
    From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
    Subject: Re: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net> Jim, That is the right attitude (pun intended). False expectations are what get us into trouble. Like expecting other drivers on the road to drive sanely. The same with the Piet. Once you start thinking of the Piet being a fun plane that you have to pay attention to, you start to have fun. It is rare that you can fly hands off. On the other hand, I give her a free hand and roll with whatever comes. Most of the time every action is followed by an equal and opposite reaction. Right wing lifts. A few seconds later it is usually coming back down on its own. I hardly ever touch the ailerons. A little rudder to bring the wing up, if it doesn't come up on its own, and let the altitude run. The only time I jump in and take over on altitude is if I catch a thermal and start climbing through 1000'. Then I get serious and bring her back down to 500'. Starts getting cool up that high. And watch out for those thermals you get at the end of paved runways during the summer. Just when you think you have a greaser you start ballooning, then dropping as you go over the runway numbers and then up you go again. But, that's what gives you a swagger as you dismount and walk among those tricycle pilots. See you at Brodhead. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Malley" <jgmalley@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Malley <jgmalley@comcast.net> > > True cross country jaunts are really tough. Don't believe the anvil would > help, I regularly fly at 1250 gross and have often experienced not being > able to control altitude within 400 feet each way on a windy sunny day. > Tightening and loosening control cables has made no difference. Our trips to > Brodhead were made in the mornings and evenings of many days. You can try > going above the scattered cumulus but then you can't see the roadsigns. > Jim Malley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > > > Mike, > > Got an email from a flyer who thought that the problem could be control > > cables a little on the loose side. Didn't want to post his message to me > on > > the group, but he might have a point. I've always been very wary of over > > tight control cables and something breaking. Could I/you have slightly > > slack cables causing this squirrelly condition??? > > It just bothers me to think that some day on flying to Brodhead in my > > dreams,,,, and in reality, when the wind kicks up in the real world, I'm > > lucky to make it back the 15/20 miles to home base. > > Maybe I'm just a sissy > > ms. walt evans > > would it help to carry an anvil in the front hole? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > > > > Walt-- Would you please talk to all the other pilots in the area who > think > > > I'm a whimp on hot bumpy, windy days with my Piet???? I have the EXACT > > > same issues with turbulence as compared to when flying a Cub or Champ or > > > anything heavier. Many others here do not believe me when I say how > > > sensitive my Piet is to turbulence. It's very obvious when I fly to a > > > pancake breakfast (or from more likely) with another plane in loose > > > formation that I am the one getting tossed around, not the other > > > plane. There are very few 2 seat single engine planes out there that > have > > > an empty weight near 600 lbs. like ours do. > > > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:28:27 PM PST US
    From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@yahoo.com> Ted, I printed that one out and hung it on the wall. Says it all. Thanks Peter. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Brousseau Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" --> <nfn00979@naples.net> Jim, That is the right attitude (pun intended). False expectations are what get us into trouble. Like expecting other drivers on the road to drive sanely. The same with the Piet. Once you start thinking of the Piet being a fun plane that you have to pay attention to, you start to have fun. It is rare that you can fly hands off. On the other hand, I give her a free hand and roll with whatever comes. Most of the time every action is followed by an equal and opposite reaction. Right wing lifts. A few seconds later it is usually coming back down on its own. I hardly ever touch the ailerons. A little rudder to bring the wing up, if it doesn't come up on its own, and let the altitude run. The only time I jump in and take over on altitude is if I catch a thermal and start climbing through 1000'. Then I get serious and bring her back down to 500'. Starts getting cool up that high. And watch out for those thermals you get at the end of paved runways during the summer. Just when you think you have a greaser you start ballooning, then dropping as you go over the runway numbers and then up you go again. But, that's what gives you a swagger as you dismount and walk among those tricycle pilots. See you at Brodhead. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Malley" <jgmalley@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Malley > --> <jgmalley@comcast.net> > > True cross country jaunts are really tough. Don't believe the anvil > would help, I regularly fly at 1250 gross and have often experienced > not being able to control altitude within 400 feet each way on a windy > sunny day. Tightening and loosening control cables has made no > difference. Our trips to > Brodhead were made in the mornings and evenings of many days. You can > try going above the scattered cumulus but then you can't see the > roadsigns. Jim Malley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > --> <wbeevans@verizon.net> > > > > Mike, > > Got an email from a flyer who thought that the problem could be > > control cables a little on the loose side. Didn't want to post his > > message to me > on > > the group, but he might have a point. I've always been very wary of over > > tight control cables and something breaking. Could I/you have > > slightly slack cables causing this squirrelly condition??? It just > > bothers me to think that some day on flying to Brodhead in my > > dreams,,,, and in reality, when the wind kicks up in the real world, > > I'm lucky to make it back the 15/20 miles to home base. Maybe I'm > > just a sissy ms. walt evans > > would it help to carry an anvil in the front hole? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eureka, Walt Evans !!!!!! > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > > > > Walt-- Would you please talk to all the other pilots in the area > > > who > think > > > I'm a whimp on hot bumpy, windy days with my Piet???? I have the EXACT > > > same issues with turbulence as compared to when flying a Cub or > > > Champ or > > > anything heavier. Many others here do not believe me when I say > > > how sensitive my Piet is to turbulence. It's very obvious when I > > > fly to a pancake breakfast (or from more likely) with another > > > plane in loose formation that I am the one getting tossed around, > > > not the other plane. There are very few 2 seat single engine > > > planes out there that > have > > > an empty weight near 600 lbs. like ours do. > > > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members.


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    Time: 08:44:42 PM PST US
    From: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net>
    Subject: Re: Split Axle Springs
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net> Dennis, One of the few parts I bought new, it figures I paid too much! I bet they are the same thing. I would post a picture if someone can tell an ignorant redneck from Arkansas how to do it. No big words please! Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Springs > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com> > > I looked in the archives per Kips suggestion and found: > > H56 Lamina is a brand and they are available at $17.25 ea. through: > > Precision Punch and Plastics > Minnetonka, MN (800) 227-0690 > > The springs are also available in extra heavy duty, : XH56 Lamina and > are about twice as strong as the regular. Duane Woolsey recommended the > heavier duty in June of '99, said his Piet sagged down too far with the > weaker ones. > > The John Deere spring is Part # T143444 and cost was $12.00 ea. > > Dennis Engelkenjohn > >


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    Time: 09:22:55 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Emachienshop.com parts soon to be here!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> I will be receiving my laser cut steel fittings from Emachineshop.com this week. I'm excited to see just how well this process went... I drew up the fittings in CAD, placed the laser cut order online, paid via credit card, all without talking a person.... For those building GN-1's I'll have a bucket full of extra parts... rudder & elevator horns, cabane brace wire lugs, and more... In order to get a discount I had to do a few extra pieces... I'll post pictures when I get the stuff... DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Springs > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net> > > Dennis, > One of the few parts I bought new, it figures I paid too much! > I bet they are the same thing. > I would post a picture if someone can tell an ignorant redneck from Arkansas > how to do it. No big words please! > Ronnie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Springs > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" > <wingding@usmo.com> > > > > I looked in the archives per Kips suggestion and found: > > > > H56 Lamina is a brand and they are available at $17.25 ea. through: > > > > Precision Punch and Plastics > > Minnetonka, MN (800) 227-0690 > > > > The springs are also available in extra heavy duty, : XH56 Lamina and > > are about twice as strong as the regular. Duane Woolsey recommended the > > heavier duty in June of '99, said his Piet sagged down too far with the > > weaker ones. > > > > The John Deere spring is Part # T143444 and cost was $12.00 ea. > > > > Dennis Engelkenjohn > > > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.




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