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1. 05:34 AM - movie (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 07:06 AM - SAA Fly-in (Gadd, Skip)
3. 07:47 AM - Bolts (cat_designs@juno.com)
4. 08:00 AM - Rudder Pedals (cat_designs@juno.com)
5. 08:03 AM - Re: Bolts (DJ Vegh)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: Rudder Pedals (Isablcorky@aol.com)
7. 09:19 AM - model a engine (Richard Navratril)
8. 11:28 AM - Re: Bolts (Mike)
9. 12:00 PM - Re: Bolts (DJ Vegh)
10. 12:18 PM - Re: Rudder Pedals (rambog@erols.com)
11. 01:03 PM - Re: Rudder Pedals (cat_designs@juno.com)
12. 01:17 PM - Re: Bolts (cat_designs@juno.com)
13. 02:25 PM - Re: Rudder Pedals (Gene Rambo)
14. 03:00 PM - Re: Rudder Pedals (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 08:09 PM - Re: Rudder Pedals (Jack Phillips)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
HUBBLUGG@aol.com wrote-
>Please see the attached file.
This list doesn't accept attachments (good thing, too!) If you have
something in the way of photos, video clips, or other information to share,
post it to one of the many available sites for things like this and then
give us the URL and a description of what you've posted. I can pretty much
guarantee you that nobody in their right mind is going to willingly accept
an attachment with no description of what it is, nor will they go take a
look at a site without you indicating why they should want to go there.
Too many viruses and other bad stuff floating around out there these days.
Be specific, make it interesting, and make it easy for folks to find what
you're offering. Like this; an image of a Pietenpol fuselage in the framing
stage: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/pietfuse.jpg
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
Just received the latest issue of To Fly with a flyer for the SAA Gathering
June 13-14-15 at Urbana Illinois.
First on the list of forums is the Pietenpol forum Friday morning by Larry
Williams, I assume our own Piet list Larry Williams.
At this point the weather doesn't look VFR from Atlanta anyway the Skyhawk
will still be in annual, so I'll be driving. Looking forward to seeing
lister's and all other Pietenpol people there.
Skip in Atlanta, Map Quest says 10.5 hours from Urbana.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
I was sitting here wondering about all the bolts we need to use to holding the
fittings, pulleys, and controls to the plane. Do you (I) use all drilled shank
bolts so I can safety wire them or should I use self locking bolts (the kind
with the plastic insert)? Is there certain places you should use one or the
other? It seems so simple until you need to actually buy some then that little
voice in the back of your head says "Are you sure?". So what kind of bolts
should I get? I know what length but I don't know what kind.
Thanks
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
I am in the process of installing the rudder pedal in the front cockpit. On the
plans they are tilted towards the back of the plane(if you are sitting in the
front seat the tops are tilted towards you when the rudder is centered). I
was testing them out before I drilled the holes and they seemed to be awkward
to use. Has anyone on the list used the front seat ruder pedals while flying
and do you have an opinion on the way they feel when flying? I think they would
be better if they were vertical or slanted away from you. Does this make any
sense it's still early out here in California and I was up late building.
Corky what does your Test Pilot think of them?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
If one parts being held with the bolt rotates then it needs to be fastened
with a drilled bolt shank and castle nut and a cotter pin or safety wire.
If the pieces are being held together do not rotate, then a nylon lock nut
is sufficient (firewall forward excluded in some cases)
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: <cat_designs@juno.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>
>
> I was sitting here wondering about all the bolts we need to use to holding
the fittings, pulleys, and controls to the plane. Do you (I) use all
drilled shank bolts so I can safety wire them or should I use self locking
bolts (the kind with the plastic insert)? Is there certain places you
should use one or the other? It seems so simple until you need to actually
buy some then that little voice in the back of your head says "Are you
sure?". So what kind of bolts should I get? I know what length but I don't
know what kind.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Chris,
Mr Johnson, the test pilot, will probably pick up on your message and in time
will probably give you an answer.
Corky
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Hey all
Check out the nice Model A engine in June, Sport Aviation Pg 68. Anybody know
what that costs?
Dick
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
A quick word of caution: Do not, under any circumstances, use safety wire in
a cotter pin application. A cotter pin is designed to resist the shearing
action of a castellated nut against a drilled bolt shank and safety wire is
not. Use safety wire in tension applications (like where it tends to pull a
nut tighter).
Mike Hardaway
on 6/6/03 8:02, DJ Vegh at aircamper@imagedv.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> If one parts being held with the bolt rotates then it needs to be fastened
> with a drilled bolt shank and castle nut and a cotter pin or safety wire.
>
> If the pieces are being held together do not rotate, then a nylon lock nut
> is sufficient (firewall forward excluded in some cases)
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cat_designs@juno.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>>
>>
>> I was sitting here wondering about all the bolts we need to use to holding
> the fittings, pulleys, and controls to the plane. Do you (I) use all
> drilled shank bolts so I can safety wire them or should I use self locking
> bolts (the kind with the plastic insert)? Is there certain places you
> should use one or the other? It seems so simple until you need to actually
> buy some then that little voice in the back of your head says "Are you
> sure?". So what kind of bolts should I get? I know what length but I don't
> know what kind.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I should have been more clear.... I meant safety wire in a drilled bolt head to
prevent rotation.... thanks for the clarification
From: Mike
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bolts
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
A quick word of caution: Do not, under any circumstances, use safety wire in
a cotter pin application. A cotter pin is designed to resist the shearing
action of a castellated nut against a drilled bolt shank and safety wire is
not. Use safety wire in tension applications (like where it tends to pull a
nut tighter).
Mike Hardaway
on 6/6/03 8:02, DJ Vegh at aircamper@imagedv.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> If one parts being held with the bolt rotates then it needs to be fastened
> with a drilled bolt shank and castle nut and a cotter pin or safety wire.
>
> If the pieces are being held together do not rotate, then a nylon lock nut
> is sufficient (firewall forward excluded in some cases)
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cat_designs@juno.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>>
>>
>> I was sitting here wondering about all the bolts we need to use to holding
> the fittings, pulleys, and controls to the plane. Do you (I) use all
> drilled shank bolts so I can safety wire them or should I use self locking
> bolts (the kind with the plastic insert)? Is there certain places you
> should use one or the other? It seems so simple until you need to actually
> buy some then that little voice in the back of your head says "Are you
> sure?". So what kind of bolts should I get? I know what length but I don't
> know what kind.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
If you slanted them away, or even vertical, you would have to move them
back substantially from the firewall or they would hit the firewall before
you got to full rudder travel. I kind of like the original plans which
show the pedals hanging down from the cross brace at the top of the
firewall. I have asked numerous people, though, and cannot get an answer
why Bernie moved away from this system, pluses or minuses. I am just now
trying to figure out how I am going to mount my front pedals. If you come
up with any good ideas, I'd like to hear.
Gene
Original Message:
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From: cat_designs@juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
I am in the process of installing the rudder pedal in the front cockpit.
On the plans they are tilted towards the back of the plane(if you are
sitting in the front seat the tops are tilted towards you when the rudder
is centered). I was testing them out before I drilled the holes and they
seemed to be awkward to use. Has anyone on the list used the front seat
ruder pedals while flying and do you have an opinion on the way they feel
when flying? I think they would be better if they were vertical or slanted
away from you. Does this make any sense it's still early out here in
California and I was up late building.
Corky what does your Test Pilot think of them?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
Gene
One thing I know I am going to due is use tubing to connect them to the rudder
bar. I think it is a much simpler installation and a more elegant looking solution.
The only problem I see with hanging them off the firewall is the firewall
is only 1/6th inch ply whereas the floor is 1/4 inch. Maybe too many firewalls
were getting broken in use. I had forgotten about this being different
then the F&G plans. Guess I will try it out tonight and see how it works.
You are correct about having to move the mounting lugs farther away from the firewall
if I slant them differently then the plans. It should not matter where
I attach them as long as I leave enough room for them to travel. One other thing,
the rudder pedal also seem to wide for my tastes. But then again I don't
plan on sitting up front very often.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
--- "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
If you slanted them away, or even vertical, you would have to move them
back substantially from the firewall or they would hit the firewall before
you got to full rudder travel. I kind of like the original plans which
show the pedals hanging down from the cross brace at the top of the
firewall. I have asked numerous people, though, and cannot get an answer
why Bernie moved away from this system, pluses or minuses. I am just now
trying to figure out how I am going to mount my front pedals. If you come
up with any good ideas, I'd like to hear.
Gene
Original Message:
-----------------
From: cat_designs@juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
I am in the process of installing the rudder pedal in the front cockpit.
On the plans they are tilted towards the back of the plane(if you are
sitting in the front seat the tops are tilted towards you when the rudder
is centered). I was testing them out before I drilled the holes and they
seemed to be awkward to use. Has anyone on the list used the front seat
ruder pedals while flying and do you have an opinion on the way they feel
when flying? I think they would be better if they were vertical or slanted
away from you. Does this make any sense it's still early out here in
California and I was up late building.
Corky what does your Test Pilot think of them?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
Oh yah I had forgotten about the cotter pins. If I understand this right wire
for the head, pins for the castle nuts and no self locking on moving parts. Wouldn't
you only use drilled heads when you are NOT using a nut you can secure?
Such as a tapped hole or blind nut.
Thanks
Chris
Sacramento, CA
--- "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I should have been more clear.... I meant safety wire in a drilled bolt head to
prevent rotation.... thanks for the clarification
From: Mike
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bolts
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
A quick word of caution: Do not, under any circumstances, use safety wire in
a cotter pin application. A cotter pin is designed to resist the shearing
action of a castellated nut against a drilled bolt shank and safety wire is
not. Use safety wire in tension applications (like where it tends to pull a
nut tighter).
Mike Hardaway
on 6/6/03 8:02, DJ Vegh at aircamper@imagedv.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> If one parts being held with the bolt rotates then it needs to be fastened
> with a drilled bolt shank and castle nut and a cotter pin or safety wire.
>
> If the pieces are being held together do not rotate, then a nylon lock nut
> is sufficient (firewall forward excluded in some cases)
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cat_designs@juno.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bolts
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>>
>>
>> I was sitting here wondering about all the bolts we need to use to holding
> the fittings, pulleys, and controls to the plane. Do you (I) use all
> drilled shank bolts so I can safety wire them or should I use self locking
> bolts (the kind with the plastic insert)? Is there certain places you
> should use one or the other? It seems so simple until you need to actually
> buy some then that little voice in the back of your head says "Are you
> sure?". So what kind of bolts should I get? I know what length but I don't
> know what kind.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
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Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
It does not bolt to the firewall, but to the oak cross member, much more
strength than the 1/4" ply floor, so that cannot be the reason.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <cat_designs@juno.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>
>
> Gene
>
> One thing I know I am going to due is use tubing to connect them to the
rudder bar. I think it is a much simpler installation and a more elegant
looking solution. The only problem I see with hanging them off the firewall
is the firewall is only 1/6th inch ply whereas the floor is 1/4 inch. Maybe
too many firewalls were getting broken in use. I had forgotten about this
being different then the F&G plans. Guess I will try it out tonight and see
how it works.
>
> You are correct about having to move the mounting lugs farther away from
the firewall if I slant them differently then the plans. It should not
matter where I attach them as long as I leave enough room for them to
travel. One other thing, the rudder pedal also seem to wide for my tastes.
But then again I don't plan on sitting up front very often.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
> --- "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com"
<rambog@erols.com>
>
> If you slanted them away, or even vertical, you would have to move them
> back substantially from the firewall or they would hit the firewall before
> you got to full rudder travel. I kind of like the original plans which
> show the pedals hanging down from the cross brace at the top of the
> firewall. I have asked numerous people, though, and cannot get an answer
> why Bernie moved away from this system, pluses or minuses. I am just now
> trying to figure out how I am going to mount my front pedals. If you come
> up with any good ideas, I'd like to hear.
>
> Gene
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: cat_designs@juno.com
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:58:36 GMT
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>
>
> I am in the process of installing the rudder pedal in the front cockpit.
> On the plans they are tilted towards the back of the plane(if you are
> sitting in the front seat the tops are tilted towards you when the rudder
> is centered). I was testing them out before I drilled the holes and they
> seemed to be awkward to use. Has anyone on the list used the front seat
> ruder pedals while flying and do you have an opinion on the way they feel
> when flying? I think they would be better if they were vertical or
slanted
> away from you. Does this make any sense it's still early out here in
> California and I was up late building.
>
> Corky what does your Test Pilot think of them?
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
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>
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
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>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Gene,
May I make a small statement on the subject of rudder pedals.
Place the rudder bar forward for the front pilot. Put your pedals with Cessna
style brake cyl for rear pilot. Connect the two with 3/8 4130 tubing and
connect the rudder horn to the pedals with cable. Taut fit without return springs.
This is the fab I'm using for Repiet.
Corky
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
On Mine (long fuselage version) I installed the front rudder pedals such
that they bottom out on the firewall at full rudder deflection, saving me
from having to add a stop. I used 5/16" tubing to connect them to the
rudder bar so no return springs are needed and at neutral rudder the front
rudder pedals are just about perpendicular to the floorboard. Feels fine in
my basement. We'll see how it does in the air this fall.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rambog@erols.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
If you slanted them away, or even vertical, you would have to move them
back substantially from the firewall or they would hit the firewall before
you got to full rudder travel. I kind of like the original plans which
show the pedals hanging down from the cross brace at the top of the
firewall. I have asked numerous people, though, and cannot get an answer
why Bernie moved away from this system, pluses or minuses. I am just now
trying to figure out how I am going to mount my front pedals. If you come
up with any good ideas, I'd like to hear.
Gene
Original Message:
-----------------
From: cat_designs@juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Pedals
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
I am in the process of installing the rudder pedal in the front cockpit.
On the plans they are tilted towards the back of the plane(if you are
sitting in the front seat the tops are tilted towards you when the rudder
is centered). I was testing them out before I drilled the holes and they
seemed to be awkward to use. Has anyone on the list used the front seat
ruder pedals while flying and do you have an opinion on the way they feel
when flying? I think they would be better if they were vertical or slanted
away from you. Does this make any sense it's still early out here in
California and I was up late building.
Corky what does your Test Pilot think of them?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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