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1. 12:15 PM - Nicopress Tool (cat_designs@juno.com)
2. 12:18 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (TomTravis@aol.com)
3. 01:12 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (cat_designs@juno.com)
4. 01:30 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (w b evans)
5. 01:56 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Cy Galley)
6. 04:56 PM - one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks (w b evans)
7. 07:04 PM - Re: one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks (Jack Phillips)
8. 07:09 PM - Re: one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks (Gene Rambo)
9. 07:19 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Gary Gower)
10. 07:32 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Gary Gower)
11. 07:40 PM - Re: one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks (Stefan Vorkoetter)
12. 08:09 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Carl Loar)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
Seeing as there is not traffic on the list today I figured I would ask this. How
are people dealing with not owning a Nicopress tool. Did you go out and buy
one? Where did you get it? What price did you pay? The ones in Aircraft Spruce's
catalog are $36.50 for the "Economy Nicopress Swaging Tool" and $72.85 for
"Locoloc Handswaging tool" and $169.95 for the "Nicopress Tool". Does anyone
know if the "Economy Nicopress Swaging Tool" works? Is the "Locoloc Handswaging
tool" the same thing as a nicopress tool but only for smaller dimeter wire?
I doubt I can find one these things to borrow so I will most likely have
to buy one when I need it.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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Subject: | Re: Nicopress Tool |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Chris,
Try your local EAA chapter. They sometimes have loaners.
Tom Travis
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Subject: | Re: Nicopress Tool |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
I have not been impress by my local EAA chapters. They have not been any help
and not interested in helping others unless you are building an RV or fast glass
something or other, most are not even interested in building. The chapters
might have one but I have given up on the whole EAA thing and I am no longer an
EAA member because of it. I could go on about my feeling of the EAA in general
but that is not appropriate for this list. I'm very jealous of all of you
who have good EAA chapters and people willing to help you. This list is about
the only support I have to turn to so thanks to all of you being out there.
I don't mean to jump on your toes but the EAA is one of my HOT buttons and my wife
tells me I am not allowed to talk about it any more.
Sorry to rant, I think I will go hang out with Corky then we can complain to each
other until we a blue in the face.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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--- TomTravis@aol.com wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Chris,
Try your local EAA chapter. They sometimes have loaners.
Tom Travis
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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Subject: | Re: Nicopress Tool |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Just my input to say that the "economy" version works fine. Did two
projects with one. Just have to make sure the threads are lubed.
sometimes they are better because some of the cables have to be swaged in a
tight spot in the plane.
Like any swage tool, make sure you check the crimps with the go/no go
dimension that is given with the tool. Never had a bad one with the cheap
one.
walt evans
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From: <cat_designs@juno.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>
>
> Seeing as there is not traffic on the list today I figured I would ask
this. How are people dealing with not owning a Nicopress tool. Did you go
out and buy one? Where did you get it? What price did you pay? The ones in
Aircraft Spruce's catalog are $36.50 for the "Economy Nicopress Swaging
Tool" and $72.85 for "Locoloc Handswaging tool" and $169.95 for the
"Nicopress Tool". Does anyone know if the "Economy Nicopress Swaging Tool"
works? Is the "Locoloc Handswaging tool" the same thing as a nicopress tool
but only for smaller dimeter wire? I doubt I can find one these things to
borrow so I will most likely have to buy one when I need it.
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Nicopress Tool |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Go to your local EAA chapter and ask around. Many Chapters have a tool
library. Or do a mechanics search on the landings. I found over 100 and that
is just thru the "Cs".
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
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From: <cat_designs@juno.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>
>
> Seeing as there is not traffic on the list today I figured I would ask
this. How are people dealing with not owning a Nicopress tool. Did you go
out and buy one? Where did you get it? What price did you pay? The ones in
Aircraft Spruce's catalog are $36.50 for the "Economy Nicopress Swaging
Tool" and $72.85 for "Locoloc Handswaging tool" and $169.95 for the
"Nicopress Tool". Does anyone know if the "Economy Nicopress Swaging Tool"
works? Is the "Locoloc Handswaging tool" the same thing as a nicopress tool
but only for smaller dimeter wire? I doubt I can find one these things to
borrow so I will most likely have to buy one when I need it.
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
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"piet discussion" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: | one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Hopefully doing my last 1 1/4 hr tomorrow and need to get these numbers for the
phase 1 signoff.
Since I have a vertical speed guage, can I assume that the "best rate of climb
would be the fastest that I can go and still maintaining the highest FPM climb?
And the best angle of climb would be to pull it back till the rate of climb
starts to drop off , and that would be best angle of climb?
thanks,
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sorry Walt, that's too easy.
There were some pretty good discussions in Sport Aviation a few months ago
about how to do these tests. Youn might want to dig through those, or go to
your local Barnes and Nobles and buy a book called "Flight Testing Homebuilt
Aircraft by Vaughn Askue - full of good stuff.
Basically for rate of climb, you will want to do a series of tests at
different airspeeds and time it for a minute, holding the airspeed as
constant as possible (helps to do it early in the morning when the air is
still) and see what change you see on the altimeter in that minute. Try one
airspeed, then go back to your starting altitude (the climb rate will vary
with altitude so you need to do the tests at approximately the same starting
altitude) - you can do best glide speed tests on the way down, and then
change the airspeed by a couple of knots and do it again. Plot the result
and you will have a curve of climb rate (in feet per minute) versus
airspeed. Where the curve peaks is your best rate of climb speed.
Best angle of climb is done by flying along a road with two distinct
landmarks, like a powerline crossing, that you can tell when you have
passed. Fly along the road at the test airspeed and note the altimter
setting at your first landmark. Fly at that airspeed until you cross the
second landmark and note your altitude. Do it again with different
airspeeds and plot the results on a curve of altitude climbed versus
airspeed. The airspeed that gave you the most altitude climbed between your
two fixed landmarks is your best angle of climb speed. You would do well to
do it on a windless day, or do each speed twice, once in each direction and
average the results.
Jack
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Hopefully doing my last 1 1/4 hr tomorrow and need to get these numbers for
the phase 1 signoff.
Since I have a vertical speed guage, can I assume that the "best rate of
climb would be the fastest that I can go and still maintaining the highest
FPM climb? And the best angle of climb would be to pull it back till the
rate of climb starts to drop off , and that would be best angle of climb?
thanks,
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | Re: one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
Vy, best rate of climb, is the speed at which the airplane will gain the
most altitude per unit of time.
Vx, best angle of climb (I can only remember because an "x" is all angles),
is the speed at which the airplane will gain the most altitude in a given
horizontal distance.
Vy would be the speed at which you can maintain the maximum rate of climb on
your VVI. If you can maintain 600 fpm, and that is the highest ROC you can
hold, that speed is your Vy. (the highest rate per unit of time - a minute)
Vx is usually lower than Vy. Suppose you can climb at 55 mph, but at that
speed can only maintain 500 fpm, while at 60 mph you can maintain 600 fpm.
This is where you have to do some math. At 55 mph and 500 fpm, you gain 968
feet per 100 feet you move forward. At 60 mph and 600 fpm, you only gain
880 feet per 100 feet forward. (I hope my math is right, but it still makes
my point if it is not). Therefore, 55 mph would be your best angle while 60
mph would be your best rate.
So, the short answer to the question is that you can read your best rate off
of the VVI, but have to calculate your best angle by recording your best
maintainable ROC at different airspeeds and comparing them.
Make sense?
Gene
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From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Hopefully doing my last 1 1/4 hr tomorrow and need to get these numbers
for the phase 1 signoff.
> Since I have a vertical speed guage, can I assume that the "best rate of
climb would be the fastest that I can go and still maintaining the highest
FPM climb? And the best angle of climb would be to pull it back till the
rate of climb starts to drop off , and that would be best angle of climb?
> thanks,
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Nicopress Tool |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Here I own the only nico pliers in the city, all builders use it (now
5 planes in progress) my problem is keeping track of its location, we
have "loose" them for about a month a couple of times, but they
eventualy get back home.
Since last time, I ask $200.00 Dls full returnable deposit, now always,
come back. We are thinking of renting especial tools for a nominal fee
and save the money, then with that money buy some more "one of a kind"
tools for all of us... We are so few builders around here that is a
good idea, now that we almost have a certfied repair shop in the
Aerodrome it might work..
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Mexico.
--- cat_designs@juno.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>
>
> Seeing as there is not traffic on the list today I figured I would
> ask this. How are people dealing with not owning a Nicopress tool.
> Did you go out and buy one? Where did you get it? What price did you
> pay? The ones in Aircraft Spruce's catalog are $36.50 for the
> "Economy Nicopress Swaging Tool" and $72.85 for "Locoloc Handswaging
> tool" and $169.95 for the "Nicopress Tool". Does anyone know if the
> "Economy Nicopress Swaging Tool" works? Is the "Locoloc Handswaging
> tool" the same thing as a nicopress tool but only for smaller dimeter
> wire? I doubt I can find one these things to borrow so I will most
> likely have to buy one when I need it.
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Nicopress Tool |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
With us is diferent, we left the chapter (im still an EAA member)
because of problems recieving the magazines, they prefer to buy
kitplanes at the store than recieve half the magazines a year from
mail, I know is an international membership problem, probably is the
mail system somewhere(there could be an aviation enthusiast that
recieves free magazines :-)
But there is nothing to do, we keep as a close club, also helpfull
group, without memberships.
We share magazines, knowledge and tools and try to visit all the
projects at least one day a month, also we try to take care of newbies
so they dont get hurt.
Other than the magazines, there is nothing extra foreign Chapters
recieve from EAA, we dont use insurance and our articles were never
published...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- cat_designs@juno.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>
>
> I have not been impress by my local EAA chapters. They have not been
> any help and not interested in helping others unless you are building
> an RV or fast glass something or other, most are not even interested
> in building. The chapters might have one but I have given up on the
> whole EAA thing and I am no longer an EAA member because of it. I
> could go on about my feeling of the EAA in general but that is not
> appropriate for this list. I'm very jealous of all of you who have
> good EAA chapters and people willing to help you. This list is about
> the only support I have to turn to so thanks to all of you being out
> there.
>
> I don't mean to jump on your toes but the EAA is one of my HOT
> buttons and my wife tells me I am not allowed to talk about it any
> more.
>
> Sorry to rant, I think I will go hang out with Corky then we can
> complain to each other until we a blue in the face.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> Please Do not archive
> --- TomTravis@aol.com wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
>
> Chris,
>
> Try your local EAA chapter. They sometimes have loaners.
>
>
>
> Tom Travis
>
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: one last quick discussion on Vx and Vy, thanks |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter <stefan@capable.ca>
w b evans wrote:
> And the best angle of climb would be to pull it back till the
> rate of climb starts to drop off , and that would be best angle of climb?
That sounds dubious to me. I'm no aerodynamicist (well, I guess I'm an
armchair aerodynamicist), but my physics and geometry tell me that the best
angle of climb airspeed would be the one where the vertical speed divided
by the airspeed is the highest (strictly speaking, it would be vertical
speed divided by the airspeed-projected-onto-the-ground, but the angles
involved are small enough that you'd never be able to tell the difference).
So if you try a bunch of airspeeds, and record the vertical speed at each
airspeed, you can find the one that gives you the best vertical speed to
airspeed ratio.
For example, in a C152, the best rate of climb speed is 67 kt, and that
will get you about 700fpm (for some loading and density altitude). The best
angle speed is 55 kt, which might get you only 650fpm. However, 650/55 is
bigger than 700/67, hence you'll be climbing at a steeper angle.
Stefan Vorkoetter
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Subject: | Re: Nicopress Tool |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Chris,,, If you have a Tractor Supply Co. near you,, they have a press that
will work great just like the one for 150 plus dollars for about 50 bucks.
It will press three sizes and they just happen to be the ones you need. It
doesn't have cutters on it but what the hey. Check it out.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: <cat_designs@juno.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: cat_designs@juno.com
>
>
> Seeing as there is not traffic on the list today I figured I would ask
this. How are people dealing with not owning a Nicopress tool. Did you go
out and buy one? Where did you get it? What price did you pay? The ones in
Aircraft Spruce's catalog are $36.50 for the "Economy Nicopress Swaging
Tool" and $72.85 for "Locoloc Handswaging tool" and $169.95 for the
"Nicopress Tool". Does anyone know if the "Economy Nicopress Swaging Tool"
works? Is the "Locoloc Handswaging tool" the same thing as a nicopress tool
but only for smaller dimeter wire? I doubt I can find one these things to
borrow so I will most likely have to buy one when I need it.
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
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