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1. 02:28 AM - Re: Pedals vs Rudder Bar (Rcaprd@aol.com)
2. 05:24 AM - pedals vs bars (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: pedals vs bars (Isablcorky@aol.com)
4. 06:36 AM - e-mail addresses (D. Engelkenjohn)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: pedals vs bars (D. Engelkenjohn)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: e-mail addresses (Dave and Connie)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: pedals vs bars (w b evans)
8. 07:12 AM - Re: pedals vs bars (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 08:42 AM - Re: e-mail addresses (Jim Ash)
10. 05:27 PM - Re: Cover for Wood Prop (Richard Navratril)
11. 05:57 PM - Re: A-65 Intake manifold (Christian Bobka)
12. 06:09 PM - Re: Taylorcraft Fly-in this weekend (July 4) (Kip & Beth Gardner)
13. 06:30 PM - Re: A-65 Intake manifold (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 06:57 PM - Re: Taylorcraft Fly-in this weekend (July 4) (Dave and Connie)
15. 07:18 PM - Re: pedals vs bars (javier cruz)
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| Subject: | Re: Pedals vs Rudder Bar |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 6/28/03 6:42:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
<< will someone
with much more knowledge and experience than I please try to convince me
that the
rudder bar as in the plans, 3 inches high, is as good or better than a
rudder
pedal 5 or 6 inches high. >>
Because it's the way Bernard Pietenpol designed it. If you use pedals, they
MUST be connected to a front rudder bar with rods, to keep from tearing the
rudder horn loose...in flight this could ruin your whole day. Personally, I
have no problem with the rudder bar.
Chuck Gantzer
with 8.3 hours of trouble free flying behind the ol' Continental !!
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
Corky-
I can only relate to my own experience but, you asked........
The rudder-bar, like so many things on the plans, becomes "invisible" when the
time comes to fly. There is so much fretting and worrying on the list about why
things should be changed to make them "better" when the time could be better
spent in building. We'd probably have a lot more airplanes in the air if we spent
our keyboard time out in the shop.
I don't know what your shoe size is, what your experience has been, nor anything
about your anatomy but the rudder bar works to perfection for me.
There was a quote by Jim Vandervoort that Grant used to put in the newsletters
that said, "You can change the plans and make a good airplane but if you don't,
you'll have a better one". Seems to be valid from my observations even though
the innovations are fun to see.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: pedals vs bars |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Larry,
Thanks to you and all who have commented on my plight. The rudder bar is ok
as BHP designed it in 1929. Henry Ford created quite a sensation with the
advent of the Model A in 1928. I am flying with the bar in 41CC but I am not
comfortable with it on T/O or landing. It being so low I have to place my heels
and/or insteps on the bar and create the movement from my hip joints which is
awkard. It also contributes to pilot fatigue. That means I get tired and can
hardly walk after a flight. That's not BHP's fault.
Maybe I learned to fly, if I ever did, on the wrong type of aircraft, or
don't have enough experience. I just don't feel comfortable with that rudder bar.
Maybe I'll just go back to flight school, Sport Pilot School.
I have front and rear pedals fabbed for Repiet but after so much objection
from the list I might give a skosh and install a bar forward to control the load
on the rudder horns but will keep the Cessna pedals and brake cyls for the
rear pilot.(That's me, I hope).
Thanks again for your pros and cons. It helps
Corky in La, tack welding control horns today AFTER Isabelle's honeydoes are
completed
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| Subject: | e-mail addresses |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Does anyone have the e-mail address of Tom Brown, of Unity, Wisc or Bill
Knight, of Brodhead, Wisc?
Both have corvair powered Piets and both were at the SAA fly-in at
Champaign/Urbana this month. Would like to ask questions of them.
Dennis Engelkenjohn
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| Subject: | Re: pedals vs bars |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
From what I have seen, Mr. Pietenpol himself was constantly
experimenting and trying new approaches to doing things. Details of his
earlier planes and his later planes differ from the plans.
LAWRENCE WILLIAMS wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" <lnawms@msn.com>
>
>Corky-
>
>I can only relate to my own experience but, you asked........
>
>The rudder-bar, like so many things on the plans, becomes "invisible" when the
time comes to fly. There is so much fretting and worrying on the list about why
things should be changed to make them "better" when the time could be better
spent in building. We'd probably have a lot more airplanes in the air if we
spent our keyboard time out in the shop.
>
>I don't know what your shoe size is, what your experience has been, nor anything
about your anatomy but the rudder bar works to perfection for me.
>
>There was a quote by Jim Vandervoort that Grant used to put in the newsletters
that said, "You can change the plans and make a good airplane but if you don't,
you'll have a better one". Seems to be valid from my observations even though
the innovations are fun to see.
>
>Larry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail addresses |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
The easiest way that I have found to find pilots is to go to
http://www.Landings.com and click on databases (at the bottom of the
screen). You can look up certificate holders and aircraft
registration. The certificate holder info includes the address that the
FAA has on file.
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65
At 08:35 AM 6/29/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
>
>Does anyone have the e-mail address of Tom Brown, of Unity, Wisc or Bill
>Knight, of Brodhead, Wisc?
>
> Both have corvair powered Piets and both were at the SAA fly-in at
>Champaign/Urbana this month. Would like to ask questions of them.
>
>Dennis Engelkenjohn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: pedals vs bars |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Corky,
I'm with you on the rudder bar thing. Gave it a fair shot but as per my
postings before, didn't feel comfortable either.
Now that I have about 10 hours on the modified bar, very happy with it and
wouldn't go back. And because the bar is still there, got the best of both
worlds.
I had posted pics but if you or anyone wants to see them, let me know.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pedals vs bars
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Larry,
> Thanks to you and all who have commented on my plight. The rudder bar is
ok
> as BHP designed it in 1929. Henry Ford created quite a sensation with the
> advent of the Model A in 1928. I am flying with the bar in 41CC but I am
not
> comfortable with it on T/O or landing. It being so low I have to place my
heels
> and/or insteps on the bar and create the movement from my hip joints which
is
> awkard. It also contributes to pilot fatigue. That means I get tired and
can
> hardly walk after a flight. That's not BHP's fault.
> Maybe I learned to fly, if I ever did, on the wrong type of aircraft, or
> don't have enough experience. I just don't feel comfortable with that
rudder bar.
> Maybe I'll just go back to flight school, Sport Pilot School.
> I have front and rear pedals fabbed for Repiet but after so much objection
> from the list I might give a skosh and install a bar forward to control
the load
> on the rudder horns but will keep the Cessna pedals and brake cyls for the
> rear pilot.(That's me, I hope).
> Thanks again for your pros and cons. It helps
>
> Corky in La, tack welding control horns today AFTER Isabelle's honeydoes
are
> completed
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: pedals vs bars |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Walt,
Send me direct an attachment so I might get a look at that bar modification.
Thanks
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail addresses |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
I've used this, but I don't recall seeing email address included in the
data. Are you sure?
Jim Ash
At 6/29/2003 09:50 AM -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie
><dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
>
>The easiest way that I have found to find pilots is to go to
>http://www.Landings.com and click on databases (at the bottom of the
>screen). You can look up certificate holders and aircraft
>registration. The certificate holder info includes the address that the
>FAA has on file.
>
>Dave
>N36078 '41 BC-12-65
>
>At 08:35 AM 6/29/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
> >
> >Does anyone have the e-mail address of Tom Brown, of Unity, Wisc or Bill
> >Knight, of Brodhead, Wisc?
> >
> > Both have corvair powered Piets and both were at the SAA fly-in at
> >Champaign/Urbana this month. Would like to ask questions of them.
> >
> >Dennis Engelkenjohn
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cover for Wood Prop |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Sunbrella cloth is used for sun covers on boats. It is very UV resistant.
Available at most fabric stores and you can sew it on a regular sewing
machine. Also is good material for making cockpit covers.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <margdick@peganet.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cover for Wood Prop
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie"
<margdick@peganet.com>
>
> Since my newly completed GN-1 may have to live in the Fla. sun and rain
for awhile, I would like to protect this nice new wooden prop as best I
can. What would be the best material to make a cover out of without cooking
it (the prop)?
>
> DickG. in Ft.Myers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Intake manifold |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Corky,
You should be satisfied with Sentry. I did business with them about ten
years ago and they did a good job at a good price.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Intake manifold
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Chris,
> It could be sentry. With my lack of hearing I could have made that
mistake. I
> talked with a Mr. Dave Stovall. They are at 2731 Ludelle St F W, Tex
76105. I
> haven't talked with them since I shipped the cyls.
> Corky
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Taylorcraft Fly-in this weekend (July 4) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Hey Everyone,
Just a reminder that the national fly-in for the OTHER great taildragger is
this weekend (July 4,5,6) at Barber Airport (2D1), Alliance, Ohio.
Usually a number of the old Alliance T-craft factory crew around to tell
stories.
There's also usually a few Piets and some Piet folks as well (Are you
coming down, Mike C.?) and the best pancake breakfast in NE Ohio, served up
with eggs & sausage by EAA Chapter 82.
Camping on the field - limited bathroom & shower facilities for campers.
Ya'll Come!
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 Intake manifold |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Chris,
They were recommended by Glen Ramsay of El Reno Avn who are not boring cyls
now because their man is ill and they don't want to do any inferior work. Glen
Ramsay was given me by Ken Blaylock of Conway, Ark
Sentry said they will call tomorrow after carefully inspecting the cyl.
I found a manifold at Lucein on a shelf behind a bunch of cyls.
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Taylorcraft Fly-in this weekend (July 4) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Hey Everyone,
>Just a reminder that the national fly-in for the OTHER great taildragger is
>this weekend (July 4,5,6) at Barber Airport (2D1), Alliance, Ohio.
Ben (14) and I are planning on being there. Look for the ratty white and dark
green Taylorcraft. It is registered as a 41 but it is sort of like Johnny
Cash's
Caddy. Parts out of a lot of years and a lot of planes :-). Flys well and
is a
lot of fun for a little money.
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65
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| Subject: | Re: pedals vs bars |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com>
Hi Group
Well, after work for to many long months i am back on
the shop for finish the Piet, and of course on this
list too...
I am working the baffles on the Corvair engine, after
months on the shop, just i have to charge the battery,
turn the key, 2 or 3 turns and it fire very good.
About the pedals, first i installed the rudder bar by
plans, but checking it i not fill god (maybe because
almost all planes that i fly have pedals and brakes..
i change for pedals and it fill better, again, just on
the shop.. i will expect that they fill good on take
off and landings too.. i upload some pictures of this
on Kitplane, any comments about this or other things
are welcomed...
The links is
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=128
Saludos desde Mexico
Javier Cruz
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