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1. 02:28 AM - Re: Skytek struts (DJ Vegh)
2. 03:55 AM - Sky Tec struts (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
3. 05:48 AM - Re: EAA chapters (Cy Galley)
4. 06:46 AM - Oshkosh (Ken Rickards)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Jack Phillips)
6. 07:06 AM - Piet blue prints (Jim Vydra)
7. 07:17 AM - Re: Oshkosh (TomTravis@aol.com)
8. 07:18 AM - Re: EAA chapters (John Ford)
9. 07:19 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Jim Markle)
10. 07:53 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Ken Rickards)
11. 08:01 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Brants)
12. 10:34 AM - Chad Wilie (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
13. 02:28 PM - Re: let's get started; odds & ends (Alan James)
14. 07:23 PM - Re: large lift struts (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Skytek struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I'm not sure about Aeronca forks but if they are anything like J-3 forks
they'll work fine.
I'm using J-3 forks but I am threading them into solid steel bar instead of
aluminum.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "rod wooller" <rodwooller@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller"
<rodwooller@hotmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the info DJ. I will buy some large struts when we get to New
York
> and ship them home. I will use the same size for the cabanes as the 10'6''
> lengths will have to be cut for shipping and I can get one strut and
cabane
> from each length.
>
> What are you using for wing strut forks ? There are some Aeronca forks
> listed in the AS&S catalog, but no dimensions given. Are you familiar with
> these forks ?
>
> Thanks for you help.
> Rod Wooller
> Australia
> (Leaving tomorrow for Brodhead via London, NY and Chicago)
>
>
> >From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
> >Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:24:09 -0700
> >
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
> >
> >I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for the
cabanes
> >and the larger for ift struts.
> >
> >I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficient
for
> >lift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he
> >larger
> >struts.
> >
> >For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long
> >into
> >the strut to terminate the ends see the photos here
> >
> >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-30-03.htm
> >
> >For the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" long
> >into the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strut
> >forks.
> >
> >They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all
> >the
> >strut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and no
> >welding is required.
> >
> >They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...
> >
> >
> >DJ Vegh
> >N74DV
> >Mesa, AZ
> >www.imagedv.com/aircamper
> >
> >
> >-
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "rod wooller" <rodwooller@hotmail.com>
> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller"
> ><rodwooller@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > A question (or two) for anyone who has used the 6061-T6 streamline
lift
> > > struts from Skytek.
> > >
> > > Is the "small" strut (2.44''x1.00") ok to use or do we have to up the
> >size
> > > to the "large" strut seeing that it is 6061 and not steel, as in the
> >plans
> >?
> > >
> > > Have you used the same size for the lift struts and the cabanes ?
> > >
> > > Hope to meet plenty of Piet builders at Brodhead (and ask a lot more
> > > questions).
> > >
> > > Rod Wooller
> > > Chidlow
> > > Australia
> > >
> > > Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to
> > > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to
> http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
D.J.: If you have the equipment to test that 1" sq. bar that would be
great. I was going to use the smaller struts, but decided to go with the
larger ones because the smaller ones use 3/4 bar, the large struts use
1". I figured the 1" bar could take the 3/8 hole better. I bought 4 big
turnbuckle forks from B & B Aircraft with 3/8 shank, at a buck fifty
each. Aircraft Spruce sells them for around $25 each! ( they probably
buy them from B & B ) They show them to be rated at 20,000 lbs. If a
strut end needs to hold 2500 lbs, and since there are 4 of the,
wouldn't they only need to support 1/4 of that 2500 lbs? Thanks, Leon S.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA chapters |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
City Web site
EAA 226 Anderson, IN http://www.geocities.com/eaa226/
EAA 1311 Avon, IN http://www.eaa1311.org/
EAA 650 Bloomington, IN http://www.bloomington.in.us/~eaa650/
EAA 729 Columbus, IN http://www.bakalar.org/eaa/
EAA 132 Elkhart, IN
EAA 21 Evansville, IN http://www.eaa21.org
EAA 2 Fort Wayne, IN http://www.EAA2.org
EAA 888 French Link, IN
EAA 1354 Greenwood, IN http://www.geocities.com/eaa1354jca/
EAA 373 Hagerstown, IN
EAA 1121 Indianapolis, IN
EAA 900 Indianapolis, IN
EAA 235 Kokomo, IN http://www.eaa235.org
EAA 256 Lafayette, IN
EAA 966 Michigan City, IN http://www.eaa966.org/
EAA 938 Nappanee, IN http://members.kconline.com/turnerconstp/
EAA 67 Noblesville, IN
EAA 1328 North Vernon, IN
EAA 828 Rensselaer, IN
EAA 1042 Sellersburg, IN http://www.eaachapter1042.org
EAA 83 Terre Haute, IN
EAA 104 Valparaiso, IN
EAA 625 Vincennes, IN http://www.eaa625.homepage.com/
EAA 1109 Warsaw, IN
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA chapters
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> Anyone have a list of EAA chapters in Indiana? All the links I've found
are dead, but I'm reasonably certain there is an active chapter in my area
(Terre Haute), because I see the occasional EAA bumper sticker at the local
home-improvement center...
>
> Thanks...
>
> John
>
>
> John Ford
> jford@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
Just a quick question! Who on the list will be going to Oshkosh this year,
flying or driving. I'm going armed with my digital camera, ready to get as
many ideas as I can, from the more experienced builders and flyers. I would
love to meet with anyone that's going!
Ken
GN1 2992
Canada
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
HI Ken,
I'll be there Tuesday through Friday morning. I'll probably be spending a
good deal of time at the Young Eagles shack.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Rickards
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
Just a quick question! Who on the list will be going to Oshkosh this year,
flying or driving. I'm going armed with my digital camera, ready to get as
many ideas as I can, from the more experienced builders and flyers. I would
love to meet with anyone that's going!
Ken
GN1 2992
Canada
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| Subject: | Piet blue prints |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
FYI.....A set of blueprints dated 1934 of the Piet is available on e-bay. This
is from the collection of John Grega who designed the GN-1. On sorting through
his items, we discovered that he sold a set of plans to the Naval Academy at
Annapolis. Anyone know what they did with them?
Jim Vydra
Springfield, MO
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Ken,
I plan to be there the first 3 days.
Tom Travis
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| Subject: | Re: EAA chapters |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Thanks for the info, guys!
John
do not archive
John Ford
jford@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Brodhead Thursday-Sunday am.....Oshkosh Sunday afternoon-Saturday am.......
I'm also taking a digital still camera (and video)....but this year I think
I'll focus on a part of the plane....then move the camera a little to some
other part close to where I WAS going to take the picture.....I'm sick and
tired of looking at pictures and wishing I had gotten a shot of "that area
RIGHT NEXT to where I took the picture".....
If you know what I mean......
Jim in Plano
NX25JM
Making great progress on my Air Camper project!!!!! I'm just 3 or 4 hours
away from completing 2 knotty pine night stands for my wife....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Rickards" <krickards@cvci.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
>
>
> Just a quick question! Who on the list will be going to Oshkosh this
year,
> flying or driving. I'm going armed with my digital camera, ready to get
as
> many ideas as I can, from the more experienced builders and flyers. I
would
> love to meet with anyone that's going!
>
>
> Ken
>
> GN1 2992
>
> Canada
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
Thanks for the reply's guys. I will be there Wednesday evening thru Sunday.
Maybe we could all meet somewhere and during the week? Any suggestions?
Ken
GN1 2992
Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: TomTravis@aol.com [mailto:TomTravis@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Ken,
I plan to be there the first 3 days.
Tom Travis
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brants" <tmbrant@usfamily.net>
I'll be there Thursday through Sunday - camera in hand... Brodhead on
Saturday.
Tom B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Rickards" <krickards@cvci.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards <krickards@cvci.com>
>
>
> Just a quick question! Who on the list will be going to Oshkosh this
year,
> flying or driving. I'm going armed with my digital camera, ready to get
as
> many ideas as I can, from the more experienced builders and flyers. I
would
> love to meet with anyone that's going!
>
>
> Ken
>
> GN1 2992
>
> Canada
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Thanks John: If he sold photo coppies then,that's probably what he is
selling today. I bought my plans in 1974, and the ones sold today are
the very same. Wouldn't it be wonderful and easy for Don P. to put notes
on the plans such as "do not braze 4130" etc. ah well. Leon S.
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| Subject: | Re: let's get started; odds & ends |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan James" <MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk>
I know of no-one over here in the UK who admits to having carried out a
stress analysis of the wooden Piet. The only chap who may have come close is
Jim Wills who designed some built up spars some years ago that now form part
of the UK plans. Unfortunately, Jim is unwilling to share details of his
spars outside the UK (and presumably any other associated information) in
fear of litigation should anything go wrong.
We also have a metal tube fuselage option approved for use and built by Paul
Prince of Aviation Metalcraft, but it bears little resemblance to the way
Bernard designed his.
PS - I'll coming over to Brodhead to claim that nice cup of tea. Should be
arriving sometime Friday evening. Don't forget to put the kettle on...
Alan James (G-BUCO)
The UK Pietenpol Club
--- Original Message -----
From: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: let's get started; odds & ends
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
>
> Are there any members of the Pietenpol family or British Piet guys on the
> list that can help? I know the analysis "could" be done again, but to do
it
> right you need the loads analysis first and I haven't got that either
(plus,
> even 30 years ago when I got my degree they weren't teaching ANYTHING
about
> analysis of wood fuselages. I'm using my fathers aero books from the late
> 30s and 40s along with some ancient NACA reports to learn the "old way").
> Hank Jarrett
>
>
> 7. Hank asks-
> >Does anyone have a copy of a stress analysis that has been done
> >on the wood or steel tube Pietenpol?
>
> There was an analysis done on the steel tube, standard Piet fuselage,
> commissioned by Mr. Pietenpol. But as far as having a copy of the
analysis,
> unless it's in Don Pietenpol's personal family effects from Mr. Pietenpol,
I
> wouldn't think it would be around anymore. If you find it, by all means
> donate it to the EAA Museum! Regarding the analysis done by the British
> Piet guys, that may very well be available today but would likely take a
bit
> of scrounging and may require conversion from pounds sterling to American
> greenbacks... or Whitworth to SAE ;o)
>
> Happy 4th of July, especially to our British friends! PS- you're welcome
to
> a nice cup of tea with us anytime, and we won't even make it with water
from
> Boston harbor!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: large lift struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
DJ,
I think I'd be concerned about the difference in thermal expansion, between
steel and aluminum. They expand and contract at very different rates.
Chuck
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