---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/15/03: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:12 AM - Re: Powell P.H. Racer (William Young) 2. 08:06 AM - Re: Another W&B (Richard Navratril) 3. 08:15 AM - great empty weight, Carl (Michael D Cuy) 4. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Powell P.H. Racer (Christian Bobka) 5. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: wire wheels (Lauritz Larsen) 6. 01:31 PM - Re: Another W&B (Carl Loar) 7. 01:53 PM - wing back how far, Carl ? (Michael D Cuy) 8. 03:06 PM - Re: Model A Power (malcolm Zirges) 9. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Powell P.H. Racer (Kip & Beth Gardner) 10. 09:48 PM - Re: Re: Powell P.H. Racer (clif) 11. 10:06 PM - Re: Re: Powell P.H. Racer (clif) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:26 AM PST US From: William Young Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Powell P.H. Racer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: William Young Clif, I am not really interested in buying one right now, as I have just started on my Pietenpol, I was simply woundering if any has/had built one or seen one fly because I would be interested to hear how they handled, and was thinking it would make a neat project in a few years after I finish the Pietenpol. Will ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:05 AM PST US From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another W&B --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" Carl Long or short fuse and what engine? What is the weight on tail? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Loar" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another W&B > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" > > In our "for what it's worth dept" I finally weighed the piet this weekend. > I was amazed. 602 lbs. I thought that it would be a lot more. > My CG with my big butt is at 17.9. hmm that's under 20 so I'm ok. > Carl > check out my webpage at http://members.core.com/skycarl > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:22 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: great empty weight, Carl --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Carl--- 602 lbs. empty is a GREAT number !!!!! And your 17.9" aft of wing CG is ok too. Mine full aft was 19.25" or something like that----very close to the limit so I fuel up when I can. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:42 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Powell P.H. Racer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" My recollections of looking at the Powell racer is that you have to be about 5 feettall to fit in it. chris bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Young" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Powell P.H. Racer > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: William Young > > Clif, > I am not really interested in buying one right now, as I have just > started on my Pietenpol, I was simply woundering if any has/had built > one or seen one fly because I would be interested to hear how they > handled, and was thinking it would make a neat project in a few years > after I finish the Pietenpol. > Will > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:06 AM PST US From: "Lauritz Larsen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wire wheels --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lauritz Larsen" Gene; Noted your mention of Dick Weeden. A friend of mine wants to contact him about getting an 'A' prop adapter. Do you have a current phone no., E-Mail address or a mailing address for Dick? Would appreciate any of the above info that you might have. Thanks Lou Larsen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wire wheels > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" > > Because so many of you asked about the wheels, and because I posted this all > before and received no responses, I am responding to the list rather than > individually. You guys can "talk amongst yourselves." > > I have now two pairs of wheels. Neither pair has, or is set up to accept > brakes. One pair are original aircraft wheels from the 1920's. They do not > appear to have ever been mounted on an airplane because there is no wear > whatsoever on the bushings. They are 24x4 wheels as called for in the > plans, which means that the rim diameter is 16" and the tire is 4" tall, for > a total of 24". The axle size is 1 1/2", the bub width is 6". I > disassembled them at the Smithsonian restoration facility and bead blasted > and chemical treated the entire wheels, ordered new spokes from Buchanan's > (because of rusty spokes) and trued up the wheels, painted black chromate > primer. > > The other pair are 26x4 wheels that were built up, I believe, as part of a > batch that were made at Brodhead. You can see several examples on various > projects around Brodhead. 26x4 wheels are also mentioned on the plans. The > wheel is 18" rim to rim, with a 4" tire. Same 1 1/2" axle, same 6" wide > hub, these are stainless hubs, I believe the rims are aluminum, and new > spokes. They have tires and tubes already on them, some kind of motorcycle > tires. I paid a fairly stiff price for these, although it is the going > price for all of the sets of these wheels I have seen go up for sale, which > has been rare. > > I have no strong feelings at this time which ones I end up using. I have > pros and cons about both, although I am leaning toward the larger wheels > just for looks. I will be going to Brodhead, and would deliver the wheels > there if someone wants one pair or the other. I will not have room to take > the wheels just to show, as I will be bringing home my Model A engine from > Dick Weeden's at Brodhead. > > Gene > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:31 PM PST US From: "Carl Loar" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another W&B --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" Dick,,, I have the long fuse with a corvair. The vair is bare bones , hand prop no fan. The weight on my tail wheel at arm 169 was 20 lbs. Also, my axle center was 5.25" forward of the LE. Moving that wing back really helps get that CG. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another W&B > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" > > Carl > Long or short fuse and what engine? What is the weight on tail? > Dick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Loar" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another W&B > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" > > > > In our "for what it's worth dept" I finally weighed the piet this weekend. > > I was amazed. 602 lbs. I thought that it would be a lot more. > > My CG with my big butt is at 17.9. hmm that's under 20 so I'm ok. > > Carl > > check out my webpage at http://members.core.com/skycarl > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:56 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing back how far, Carl ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Carl-- out of curiosity, how far back aft of vertical did you shift your wing on your long fuse, non-elect. Corvair Pietenpol Air Camper ? Again---way to go. This must be getting exciting !! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:56 PM PST US From: "malcolm Zirges" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A Power --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "malcolm Zirges" Thank you Mike! The pointer to the Model A engine article was very helpful. I have several Model A engines to use in my Piet but it is getting hard to find local "old timers" who have some experience with the ins-and-outs of the engine. Cordially, Mac in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A Power > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Lowell Frank wrote up a neat article that is on Gran't old BPA website > still-------GREAT reading for any of you Ford powered guys. Met Lowell in > 1999 with his Ford Piet (now has a radial in it) and this guy knows his > Ford engines. He can make them reliable and put out some good > power. Check this out if you > like: http://members.aol.com/hpieth/bpa/lowell.html > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:13 PM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Powell P.H. Racer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner At 11:13 AM -0400 07/15/03, Christian Bobka wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > >My recollections of looking at the Powell racer is that you have to be about >5 feettall to fit in it. > >chris bobka Another plane designed 'when midgets ruled the earth'! We midgets, like the South, will rise again - in little, dinky airplanes!:) Do not archive Kip Gardner North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:20 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Powell P.H. Racer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif Yep, I understood that, just thought you might have been interested in chatting with George about its characteristics. Clif ----- Original Message ----- > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: William Young > > Clif, > I am not really interested in buying one right now, as I have just > started on my Pietenpol, I was simply woundering if any has/had built > one or seen one fly because I would be interested to hear how they > handled, and was thinking it would make a neat project in a few years > after I finish the Pietenpol. > Will > > do not archive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:29 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Powell P.H. Racer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif I don't see anything wrong with that. Don't they say "small is beautiful"? There is one way to find out- Ask George! mailto:chipselva@shaw.ca Clif, 150 miles and a 1 hr ferry ride from said aeroplane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > >My recollections of looking at the Powell racer is that you have to be about > >5 feettall to fit in it. > > > >chris bobka > > Another plane designed 'when midgets ruled the earth'! > > We midgets, like the South, will rise again - in little, dinky airplanes!:) > > Do not archive > > Kip Gardner > > North Canton, OH do not archive