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1. 05:47 AM - Model A Power (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 05:48 AM - New Weight & Balance (Seibert Bob-r18643)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: New Weight & Balance (Jim Markle)
4. 06:31 AM - Powell racer (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
5. 07:11 AM - Model A (Jim Vydra)
6. 09:34 AM - Low & Slow Fly-in (Jon Botsford)
7. 09:55 AM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in (rambog@erols.com)
8. 10:10 AM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in (Stefan Vorkoetter)
9. 11:02 AM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in (Mike)
10. 11:22 AM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 01:00 PM - Model A (Jim Vydra)
12. 01:08 PM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and (John Ford)
13. 03:24 PM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and (Jim Ash)
14. 03:49 PM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 04:09 PM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... (w b evans)
16. 04:30 PM - Re: wing back how far, Carl ? (Carl Loar)
17. 05:03 PM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... (TomTravis@aol.com)
18. 07:45 PM - 'Pieters in Middle TN (N925WB1@aol.com)
19. 07:45 PM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... (Gene Rambo)
20. 07:51 PM - Re: Model A (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
21. 11:20 PM - Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... (clif)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Mac wrote-
>it is getting hard to find local "old timers" who have some experience
>with the ins-and-outs of the engine.
Mac, where in Oregon are you located? There are quite a few old Ford
aficionados scattered around the state. If you're in southern Oregon, look
up a gent named Ted Roner in Medford. He used to be one of my business
partners... now retired (engineer). He has had his hands on many, many of
the old Fords and still has a shop full of projects. Not a real chatty guy
but he knows all about those old babbitt bearings and stuff. (541) 772-4892
Also there in Medford are other car restorers who can help with engine
rebuilds... I think there is an antique restoration club there. Another
gent you might look up is Jack Hamilton in Central Point (just outside of
Medford). Jack was pretty much born and raised in J-3's and his brother
flies a souped-up Pacer out of their family strip in the mountains. Jack
knows the old cars very well, knows the restorers, and also has a shop full
of old car projects. He's a retired school teacher; (541) 664-1568 or
jshamilton@wave.net. You should be able to get some good assistance from
either of these fellows.
Oh, and somewhere right on I-5 up around Cottage Grove is a guy who always
has old cars (restored) for sale, on a bluff overlooking the Interstate. I
understand he is quite the restorer as well, but I don't recall his name.
Ted or Jack would know.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | New Weight & Balance |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643 <Bob.Seibert@motorola.com>
Hey Corky came through again!
I flew over to his place Saturday and picked up that metal prop.
He has a really pretty bird and is just as much of a gentleman as you would suspect
from his emails!
Great little airport too. It looks just the way you would picture a place called
Bluebird Hill.
I am glad to have gone over and wish I could have stayed longer.
Well, I am finally "in the envelope" on W&B and waiting for the DAR to come and
bless this thing!
I came in at 584 pounds total (Checked it twice) with 22 lbs on the tailwheel at
180.5 inches from the leading edge datum.
(Long Fuse, 1 piece wing and A-65 engine)
My mains are 2.8 inches behind the datum. I wind up at 19.5 inches for the worst
case CG so I guess I am "in"....even if it is at the aft limit.
The motor mount is extended 3" and the wing is moved back 2" already.
I guess I will see how it flies before moving/changing much more.
The metal prop on the nose and some liposuction on the tailwheel assembly really
did the trick. (Just replacing the RV tailwheel alone got rid of 2 pounds!)
Stuck my 2 INCH numbers on last night. Put gas in it and now am waiting for the
hurricane crud to blow out so I can taxi test the "Yellow Peril".
We didn't even get a rainshower out of it but we sure got some wind.
Bob Seibert
NX23TX
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| Subject: | Re: New Weight & Balance |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
My wife has seen me hang out with various groups over the years (amateur
radio, sailing, woodworking, aviation, etc, etc) and typically regards my
"friends" as very strange people (and usually rightly so...)
Then I tell her about these types of stories and she usually says something
along the lines of "really? hey, these are good people".....
She's right, somewhat understated, but (as usual) she's right......
Jim in Plano.....
appreciative of even getting to listen in..........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seibert Bob-r18643" <Bob.Seibert@motorola.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Weight & Balance
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643
<Bob.Seibert@motorola.com>
>
> Hey Corky came through again!
> I flew over to his place Saturday and picked up that metal prop.
> He has a really pretty bird and is just as much of a gentleman as you
would suspect from his emails!
> Great little airport too. It looks just the way you would picture a place
called Bluebird Hill.
> I am glad to have gone over and wish I could have stayed longer.
>
> Well, I am finally "in the envelope" on W&B and waiting for the DAR to
come and bless this thing!
> I came in at 584 pounds total (Checked it twice) with 22 lbs on the
tailwheel at 180.5 inches from the leading edge datum.
> (Long Fuse, 1 piece wing and A-65 engine)
> My mains are 2.8 inches behind the datum. I wind up at 19.5 inches for the
worst case CG so I guess I am "in"....even if it is at the aft limit.
> The motor mount is extended 3" and the wing is moved back 2" already.
> I guess I will see how it flies before moving/changing much more.
> The metal prop on the nose and some liposuction on the tailwheel assembly
really did the trick. (Just replacing the RV tailwheel alone got rid of 2
pounds!)
>
> Stuck my 2 INCH numbers on last night. Put gas in it and now am waiting
for the hurricane crud to blow out so I can taxi test the "Yellow Peril".
> We didn't even get a rainshower out of it but we sure got some wind.
> Bob Seibert
> NX23TX
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
"Small is beautiful"....ask the ladies, they'll tell you that size does
mtter. Do not archive. Leon S.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
Somewhere in the mountain of stuff i have is a maintenance manual on the Model
A engine. Will try to remember to post when i find it.
Jim Vydra
Springfield, MO
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| Subject: | Low & Slow Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
EAA Chapter 59 Waco, Texas will be having a "Low&Slow" Fly-In on Saturday
September 20. It will be held at the McGregor Executive Airport (PWG).
There will be a free Fish Fry starting at 11:30 am until the fish is gone.
Aurora Aviation the FBO has agreed to give a discount on gas that day. We
will be putting out a flyer with a coupon for the discount a bit later. Let
us know if you want one. We hope to attract a number of the Low & Slow type
aircraft so some of those who are anticipating the proposed Sport Pilots
License can see what some qualifying aircraft are like. I hope that the
Piet/GN-1s have a good representation. If you want to be put on a list for
more information let me know and I will take care of it.
Jon Botsford
botsford7@hot.rr.com
Looking for Corky to come over!!!
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| Subject: | Low & Slow Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
Until the fish "is" gone?? You have someone special in attendance that can
feed the entire crowd with just one fish?
Gene :)
(professional smarta**)
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From: Jon Botsford botsford7@hot.rr.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Low & Slow Fly-in
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jon Botsford" <botsford7@hot.rr.com>
EAA Chapter 59 Waco, Texas will be having a "Low&Slow" Fly-In on Saturday
September 20. It will be held at the McGregor Executive Airport (PWG).
There will be a free Fish Fry starting at 11:30 am until the fish is gone.
Aurora Aviation the FBO has agreed to give a discount on gas that day. We
will be putting out a flyer with a coupon for the discount a bit later. Let
us know if you want one. We hope to attract a number of the Low & Slow type
aircraft so some of those who are anticipating the proposed Sport Pilots
License can see what some qualifying aircraft are like. I hope that the
Piet/GN-1s have a good representation. If you want to be put on a list for
more information let me know and I will take care of it.
Jon Botsford
botsford7@hot.rr.com
Looking for Corky to come over!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter <stefan@capable.ca>
rambog@erols.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
>
> Until the fish "is" gone?? You have someone special in attendance that can
> feed the entire crowd with just one fish?
>
> Gene :)
> (professional smarta**)
There can be free food until the food "is" gone. Fish can either imply one
fish (singular), many fish (plural), or a pile of fish (singular).
Stefan
(amateur smartera**)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
>
> Until the fish "is" gone?? You have someone special in attendance that can
> feed the entire crowd with just one fish?
>
> Gene :)
"One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish; it's all the same to me."
--Dr. Seuss' cat
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Pieters,
This discussion of ises and r-rahs bring back memories of the 4th grade and
MISS Greer pounding that grammar into our non receptive brains. 1932 was a
tough year all the way around.
Sir, you may put my name down for my 1st personal appearance at a fly in IF
those beauros make the SP issue effective by then. If not, can you assure me of
an insignicant landing and parking area void of officials, beauros, ramp
checkers, you get the idea. No registration or name signing. It would be about
a 3
hr flight assuming those SW Texas winds show up strong about 10 am daily.
If you accept these conditions I will, God willing, attend your fly in
Corky in Shreveport
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
I just posted a Model A maintenance Manual on ebay...
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and |
Englishmen...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Ah yes, but the "is" is singular, whereas "are" denotes the plural fish. I personally
prefer it in the form of "fishes is gone..." ;-)
John
do not archive
John Ford
jford@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> stefan@capable.ca Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:10:00 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter <stefan@capable.ca>
rambog@erols.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
>
> Until the fish "is" gone?? You have someone special in attendance that can
> feed the entire crowd with just one fish?
>
> Gene :)
> (professional smarta**)
There can be free food until the food "is" gone. Fish can either imply one
fish (singular), many fish (plural), or a pile of fish (singular).
Stefan
(amateur smartera**)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and |
Englishmen...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
I was taught that fish was for singular and plural of the same species, and
fishes was for multiple species.
...maybe that's why I fool with airplanes instead of teaching English.
Jim
At 7/16/2003 03:08 PM -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
>Ah yes, but the "is" is singular, whereas "are" denotes the plural
>fish. I personally prefer it in the form of "fishes is gone..." ;-)
>
>John
>
>do not archive
>
>John Ford
>jford@indstate.edu
>812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> stefan@capable.ca Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:10:00 PM >>>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter <stefan@capable.ca>
>
>rambog@erols.com wrote:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
> >
> > Until the fish "is" gone?? You have someone special in attendance that can
> > feed the entire crowd with just one fish?
> >
> > Gene :)
> > (professional smarta**)
>
>There can be free food until the food "is" gone. Fish can either imply one
>fish (singular), many fish (plural), or a pile of fish (singular).
>
>Stefan
>(amateur smartera**)
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Maybe I'd better take a peanut butter and mayhaw jelly sandwich when I sneak
into Waco. Don't really know too much about them Texas fish/fishs/fishes.
Maybe they bar b q them.
Corky
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
I wanst to be there, but I hope that by the time I gets there, I amn't too
late to gets the fishes.
walt evans
NX140DL
p.s. got a dime? :
) Worry about a glue joint, or if the DE will get
there in time.
Fish is gone sounds right to me and I think it's technically correct. :
)
see youse later
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>
> I was taught that fish was for singular and plural of the same species,
and
> fishes was for multiple species.
>
> ...maybe that's why I fool with airplanes instead of teaching English.
>
> Jim
>
> At 7/16/2003 03:08 PM -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
> >
> >Ah yes, but the "is" is singular, whereas "are" denotes the plural
> >fish. I personally prefer it in the form of "fishes is gone..." ;-)
> >
> >John
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >John Ford
> >jford@indstate.edu
> >812-237-8542
> >
> >
> > >>> stefan@capable.ca Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:10:00 PM >>>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter
<stefan@capable.ca>
> >
> >rambog@erols.com wrote:
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com"
<rambog@erols.com>
> > >
> > > Until the fish "is" gone?? You have someone special in attendance
that can
> > > feed the entire crowd with just one fish?
> > >
> > > Gene :)
> > > (professional smarta**)
> >
> >There can be free food until the food "is" gone. Fish can either imply
one
> >fish (singular), many fish (plural), or a pile of fish (singular).
> >
> >Stefan
> >(amateur smartera**)
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing back how far, Carl ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Mike,,,, I set the wing back 3 1/2 inches and the motor mount is out 2
inches. The mains are split V piet style.
Looks like Bob Seibert is sitting on the edge with me getting close to
gettin some air under the wing.
With a lot of the guys reporting great progress, we could have a heck of a
showing at Brodhead in 2004.
On a sad note,,, The guy that's been flying Bill Poiry's piet, came in a
little too slow on a NW Ohio windy day.
Wind gust got him and he dropped her pretty hard. No serious human injuries
but the piet got bent quite a bit.
Remember boys,,, give that gas a crack more when the ole winds start to
blow. Bill says he will have it back
together hopefully by fall.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing back how far, Carl ?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Carl-- out of curiosity, how far back aft of vertical did you shift your
> wing on your long fuse, non-elect. Corvair Pietenpol Air Camper
> ? Again---way to go. This must be getting exciting !!
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
In a message dated 7/16/2003 5:50:09 PM Central Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
> mayhaw jelly sandwich
Now I just might show up if Corky can bring a couple of those peanut butter
and mayhaw sammiches.
Tom Travis
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| Subject: | 'Pieters in Middle TN |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: N925WB1@aol.com
'Pieters,
First of all, I need to say thanks to Mike Cuy for a great video! If I could figure
out who I loaned it to last, I'd watch it 'til the tape broke!
I also want to thank Gene Rambo for his graciousness in letting me and a buddy
poke around his hangar a few months ago. Judging by the work on his Travel-Air,
his 'Piet is sure to be top-notch!
Finally, I'll be moving to Murfreesboro, TN in August, and would like to know if
anyone in the area has a Piet either flying or under construction. I overheard
a fella at the local EAA meeting talk about building one when I was visiting
last month, but didn't check any specifics.
With any luck, I'll be a proud 'Piet builder one day, too! ;)
-Wayne Bressler
N925WB1@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
John said it before I could. While I am well aware that the plural of
"fish" is "fish," as well as the arcane, but technically proper "fishes."
"Is," however, is most definitely singular, which is why I put it in
quotation marks. I don't know about multiple species being "fishes."
Interestingly, a few weeks ago our own Secr'y of Education (Bush appointee)
pulled a Dan (Potatoe) Quail at a visit to a junior high school and could
not spell the plural of "fish" even after multiple chances and a bit of
coaching. He argued that he was playing dumb to see if the student could
get it right . . . no, wait, he didn't want to answer before the student . .
. no, wait . . . . I could have thought of a better excuse, I wouldn't have
thought of "fishes" either off the top of my head.
Gene
(tired of being a smarta**)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> Ah yes, but the "is" is singular, whereas "are" denotes the plural fish.
I personally prefer it in the form of "fishes is gone..." ;-)
>
> John
>
> do not archive
>
> John Ford
> jford@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> stefan@capable.ca Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:10:00 PM >>>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter
<stefan@capable.ca>
>
> rambog@erols.com wrote:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com"
<rambog@erols.com>
> >
> > Until the fish "is" gone?? You have someone special in attendance that
can
> > feed the entire crowd with just one fish?
> >
> > Gene :)
> > (professional smarta**)
>
> There can be free food until the food "is" gone. Fish can either imply one
> fish (singular), many fish (plural), or a pile of fish (singular).
>
> Stefan
> (amateur smartera**)
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com
Jim, is this maintenance manual for the car or engine? What is the exact
title and how much are you asking for it? Don Hicks
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| Subject: | Re: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
So long as they ( or bits of IT ) are cooked
in the dishwasher all will be well. Looonnnnggg
and ssllooowww and gentle for cooking fish, at
least Salmon, anyway.
http://www.surrealgourmet.com/html/recipes/ditdaal.html
http://www.notsosoft.com/files/dishwasher_poached_salmon.php
http://www.salon.com/nov96/salmon961118.html
Plus 13,000 more of the same. In google enter;
dishwasher and salmon
On the other hand, if mayhaw is anything like
raspberry, it's got to be good.
Clif
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low & Slow Fly-in - fishes and Englishmen...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
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> Maybe I'd better take a peanut butter and mayhaw jelly sandwich when I
sneak
> into Waco. Don't really know too much about them Texas fish/fishs/fishes.
> Maybe they bar b q them.
>
> Corky
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> Do not archive
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