---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/18/03: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:59 AM - Brodhead photos (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 06:12 AM - Perogi's & Fish Fry's (Michael D Cuy) 3. 08:03 AM - Re: Perogi's & Fish Fry's (Carl Loar) 4. 08:52 AM - Re: Perogi's & Fish Fry's (Christian Bobka) 5. 09:15 AM - Re: Perogi's & Fish Fry's (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 6. 09:49 AM - Piet Projects in the Seattle area? (Jim Markle) 7. 09:57 AM - Re: Brodhead photos (Gary Gower) 8. 10:12 AM - Re: Perogi's & Fish Fry's (Gary Gower) 9. 11:11 AM - Re: Perogi's & Fish Fry's (John Ford) 10. 11:39 AM - Nicopress Tool () 11. 12:08 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Greg Cardinal) 12. 12:11 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Carl Loar) 13. 12:27 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (DJ Vegh) 14. 12:29 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (DJ Vegh) 15. 12:42 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Christian Bobka) 16. 12:51 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Gary McNeel, Jr.) 17. 01:53 PM - The Mad Crab & Terry Bowden & Chris B. (Michael D Cuy) 18. 02:16 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool () 19. 02:18 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Cy Galley) 20. 02:20 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool () 21. 05:17 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (w b evans) 22. 05:30 PM - pros and cons of my Nicropress tool (w b evans) 23. 06:57 PM - Re: Perogi's & Fish Fry's (Kip & Beth Gardner) 24. 07:02 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (diferent sleeves) (Gary Gower) 25. 07:03 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Cy Galley) 26. 07:09 PM - Re: pros and cons of my Nicropress tool (Gary Gower) 27. 07:21 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (diferent sleeves) (Cy Galley) 28. 09:58 PM - Re: Perogi's & Fish Fry's (clif) 29. 10:32 PM - Re: Piet Projects in the Seattle area? (clif) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:13 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Jim (another good Texan) wrote- >Also (one of my favorites): http://home.att.net/~rdroller/index.htm Ya gotta go there! Even if you don't look through the various pages on this site, just the index page by itself is a great photo. PS- for the record, I love eating fish... errr... fishes? Fried, baked, blackened, broiled, batter-dipped, poached, grilled, raw, you name it. And I take any leftovers and make fish sandwich with lettuce, tomato, sandwich spread and some tabasco sauce, and that's good too. And all y'all ought to know that when they're gone, they are gone because if they weren't, there would still be some! What a zany discussion thread. Maybe time to have a fish fry at Brodhead or something... Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:52 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy I'm not going to incriminate anyone on the list, but there is a really nice fellow from Texas on the list who hadn't heard of what a Perogi is. That stands to reason as he wasn't raised in Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. With all the ethnic folks who migrated to Cleveland over the years, Perogi's are considered one of the main food groups. For those who don't know, perogis are dough-like pockets that can be filled with mashed potatoes and cheese, sauerkraut, fruit fillings or whatever you can dream up. We like the potato and cheese ones. You fire up the iron skilled and saute butter and onions and brown those perogis up nice on both sides. Put a spoon of sour cream over the top and salt and pepper. Yummers. do not archive (no wonder my CG is so far AFT !!!! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:29 AM PST US From: "Carl Loar" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" All I can say is perogi's should have a warning label,,, " May become addictive" One plate is not enough,, oh yea, potatoes and cheese are the best. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > I'm not going to incriminate anyone on the list, but there is a really nice > fellow from Texas on the list who hadn't heard of what a Perogi is. That > stands to reason as he wasn't raised in Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, St. > Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. With all the ethnic folks who migrated > to Cleveland over the years, Perogi's are considered one of the main food > groups. > > For those who don't know, perogis are dough-like pockets that can be filled > with mashed potatoes and cheese, sauerkraut, fruit fillings or whatever you > can dream up. We like the potato and cheese ones. You fire up the iron > skilled and saute butter and onions and brown those perogis up nice on both > sides. Put a spoon of sour cream over the top and salt and pepper. Yummers. > > do not archive (no wonder my CG is so far AFT !!!! > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:58 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Mike, Us New Yorkers know hwat parogis are too. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > I'm not going to incriminate anyone on the list, but there is a really nice > fellow from Texas on the list who hadn't heard of what a Perogi is. That > stands to reason as he wasn't raised in Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, St. > Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. With all the ethnic folks who migrated > to Cleveland over the years, Perogi's are considered one of the main food > groups. > > For those who don't know, perogis are dough-like pockets that can be filled > with mashed potatoes and cheese, sauerkraut, fruit fillings or whatever you > can dream up. We like the potato and cheese ones. You fire up the iron > skilled and saute butter and onions and brown those perogis up nice on both > sides. Put a spoon of sour cream over the top and salt and pepper. Yummers. > > do not archive (no wonder my CG is so far AFT !!!! > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:08 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com This Texas boy tried his first perogi at "The Mad Crab" in Cleveland back in April. It had very little taste. Same texture but not as good as them good ol' Dumplins like my Momma makes here in TX. DO NOT ARCHIVE Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:53 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Projects in the Seattle area? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" I'll be in Seattle on business around the end of August and have a Sunday free.....anyone know of any (Pietenpol) Air Campers in the area? I have Doc's dirctory and will do the cross reference process (having ALL the info (not just the N#) listed by state would REALLY be nice) when I have some time.... In the meantime, if anyone knows of a willing owner that might allow some pictures and a chat (anywhere in the Seattle area, I'll have a car)....let me know. Thanks, Jim in Plano ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:42 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead photos --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower If we have the honor of any of you visiting around here, we will go and eat our "Zarandeado" fish(es)... you will love it also. With Corona Beer of course. Saludos Gary Gower Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico --- Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > Jim (another good Texan) wrote- > > >Also (one of my favorites): http://home.att.net/~rdroller/index.htm > > Ya gotta go there! Even if you don't look through the various pages > on this > site, just the index page by itself is a great photo. > > PS- for the record, I love eating fish... errr... fishes? Fried, > baked, > blackened, broiled, batter-dipped, poached, grilled, raw, you name > it. And > I take any leftovers and make fish sandwich with lettuce, tomato, > sandwich > spread and some tabasco sauce, and that's good too. And all y'all > ought to > know that when they're gone, they are gone because if they weren't, > there > would still be some! What a zany discussion thread. Maybe time to > have a > fish fry at Brodhead or something... > > Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:38 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower One thing I got advised from an old adventurer type friend of the family, during my college vacation days, was that every place you visit, eat the local food you dont know what it is... I do everytime, sometimes is delicious and some very few times you can't even swalow it. Is 50% of the joy of traveling. Saludos Gary Gower Do not Archive --- Carl Loar wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" > > > All I can say is perogi's should have a warning label,,, > " May become addictive" > One plate is not enough,, oh yea, potatoes and cheese are the best. > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > I'm not going to incriminate anyone on the list, but there is a > really > nice > > fellow from Texas on the list who hadn't heard of what a Perogi is. > That > > stands to reason as he wasn't raised in Milwaukee, Detroit, > Chicago, St. > > Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. With all the ethnic folks who > migrated > > to Cleveland over the years, Perogi's are considered one of the > main food > > groups. > > > > For those who don't know, perogis are dough-like pockets that can > be > filled > > with mashed potatoes and cheese, sauerkraut, fruit fillings or > whatever > you > > can dream up. We like the potato and cheese ones. You fire up > the > iron > > skilled and saute butter and onions and brown those perogis up nice > on > both > > sides. Put a spoon of sour cream over the top and salt and > pepper. > Yummers. > > > > do not archive (no wonder my CG is so far AFT !!!! > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:54 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Agreed, 100%! do not archive John Ford jford@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> ggower_99@yahoo.com Friday, July 18, 2003 12:12:31 PM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower One thing I got advised from an old adventurer type friend of the family, during my college vacation days, was that every place you visit, eat the local food you dont know what it is... I do everytime, sometimes is delicious and some very few times you can't even swalow it. Is 50% of the joy of traveling. Saludos Gary Gower Do not Archive --- Carl Loar wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" > > > All I can say is perogi's should have a warning label,,, > " May become addictive" > One plate is not enough,, oh yea, potatoes and cheese are the best. > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > I'm not going to incriminate anyone on the list, but there is a > really > nice > > fellow from Texas on the list who hadn't heard of what a Perogi is. > That > > stands to reason as he wasn't raised in Milwaukee, Detroit, > Chicago, St. > > Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. With all the ethnic folks who > migrated > > to Cleveland over the years, Perogi's are considered one of the > main food > > groups. > > > > For those who don't know, perogis are dough-like pockets that can > be > filled > > with mashed potatoes and cheese, sauerkraut, fruit fillings or > whatever > you > > can dream up. We like the potato and cheese ones. You fire up > the > iron > > skilled and saute butter and onions and brown those perogis up nice > on > both > > sides. Put a spoon of sour cream over the top and salt and > pepper. > Yummers. > > > > do not archive (no wonder my CG is so far AFT !!!! > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:33 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their Piet anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year. I was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees in the garage at ten o'clock at night. A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding solutions to problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand swagger (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so it will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the plans call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my ears are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior to use. How do I do this? Chris Sacramento, CA ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:14 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior to use. How do I do this? Chris Sacramento, CA Chris, Per AC43.13 cables assemblies are to tested to 60% of the rated strength of the cable. Dale Johnson built a cable testing rig out of a large piece of channel iron, some uni-strut and a hydraulic jack. The jack was drilled and tapped to install a pressure gage. The gage face was marked to read in pounds of force instead of psi. The cables were marked where they entered the nicopress sleeves or swaged fittings prior to pull testing. This gave a handy visual check to see if the cables were slipping through the sleeves. A 1/8 inch cable stressed to 60% of its breaking strength is incredibly tight. Not a single fitting slipped or had to be redone. It was a great confidence booster in the construction process. Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis (Reminding everyone to wear name tags at Brodhead) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:26 PM PST US From: "Carl Loar" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" Chris,,, I got one from Tractor Supply Co for about 60 bucks. Not sure if it is the same brand but sure sounds the same. Mine works on 1/16, 3/32 and 1/8. It will squish stainless just as good as brass. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their Piet > anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the > humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year. I > was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees in > the garage at ten o'clock at night. > > A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access > to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding solutions > to > problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to > loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a > Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It > works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on > stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney > Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand swagger > (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so it > will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the plans > call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). > > If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my ears > are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. > > I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior > to use. How do I do this? > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:42 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" you can make a testing fixture for your cables from some 4130 steel tubing. Using some simple math you can make a fulcrum/lever that has one end attached to the cable and the other you will hang weight from. if you make the small arm 6" and the long side 2.5' you have a 5:1 lever. put 100lb on the long side you're applying 500lb on the cable. You only need to test the cable to 60% as I recall. This jig works good on smaller cables like cabane cables since you don't have to have the jig elevated very high. I'm not sure how you would do longer control cables or drag anti drag strut wires. Of course if you have a hangar with high ceilings and steel rafters I suppose you could hang the cables from a rafter and then attach weight to them somehow. ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesign@intergate.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their Piet anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year. I was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees in the garage at ten o'clock at night. A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding solutions to problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand swagger (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so it will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the plans call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my ears are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior to use. How do I do this? Chris Sacramento, CA ------------------------------------------------- = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:28 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" I just got my tool on ebay last week for $90. It does 1/16 to 5/32. It is an authentic Niocpress tool. It works great! Never underestimate the power of ebay :-) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Loar To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" Chris,,, I got one from Tractor Supply Co for about 60 bucks. Not sure if it is the same brand but sure sounds the same. Mine works on 1/16, 3/32 and 1/8. It will squish stainless just as good as brass. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their Piet > anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the > humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year. I > was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees in > the garage at ten o'clock at night. > > A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access > to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding solutions > to > problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to > loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a > Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It > works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on > stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney > Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand swagger > (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so it > will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the plans > call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). > > If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my ears > are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. > > I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior > to use. How do I do this? > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:25 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Greg also meant to add that the testing rig's jack was calibrated using some scales in an arbor press. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" > > > I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables > assemblies prior > to use. How do I do this? > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > > Chris, > > Per AC43.13 cables assemblies are to tested to 60% of the rated > strength of the cable. > > Dale Johnson built a cable testing rig out of a large piece of channel > iron, some uni-strut and a hydraulic jack. > The jack was drilled and tapped to install a pressure gage. The gage > face was marked to read in pounds of force instead of psi. > The cables were marked where they entered the nicopress sleeves or > swaged fittings prior to pull testing. This gave a handy visual check to > see if the cables were slipping through the sleeves. > A 1/8 inch cable stressed to 60% of its breaking strength is incredibly > tight. > Not a single fitting slipped or had to be redone. It was a great > confidence booster in the construction process. > > Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis (Reminding everyone to wear name tags at > Brodhead) > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:57 PM PST US From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel, Jr." I bought a really nice one on Ebay for $50 plus shipping. Works great. Does three sizes. I will get the name off it and sizes when I get home today. It is a name brand, I just can't think of it now. -Gary ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "" >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > >Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their Piet >anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the >humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year. I >was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees in >the garage at ten o'clock at night. > >A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access >to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding solutions >to >problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to >loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a >Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It >works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on >stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney >Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand swagger >(also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so it >will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the plans >call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). > >If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my ears >are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. > >I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior >to use. How do I do this? > >Chris >Sacramento, CA > > >------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:46 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Mad Crab & Terry Bowden & Chris B. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Terry--- you were at the Mad Crab in Strongsville ???? Heck that is the old site of Strongsville Airport where I used to fly. Actually, all those zillion dollar homes behind that joint was the airport. Shoot---the guy who owns that doesn't know diddly about Perogis. (by the way, he used to RUN the airport in the early 80's....) Should have stopped by. My Piet is about 8 minutes from that restaurant. There are a few taverns here (and Catholic churches) that know how to make perogis. Sorry Chris Bobka--- I was thinking about NY when I listed all the cities. Shoot. do not archive Mike C. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:20 PM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Quoting Carl Loar : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" > > Chris,,, I got one from Tractor Supply Co for about 60 bucks. Not sure if it > is the same brand but > sure sounds the same. Mine works on 1/16, 3/32 and 1/8. It will squish > stainless just as good as > brass. > Carl Even though Sacramento is surrounded by farming we do not have a Tractor Supply in California. I was hopping this is the same one too you have. The specs seem to match. Chris Sacramento, CA ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:55 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" All nico press sleeves are copper. They may be plated. Check AC 43-13.1B Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their Piet > anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the > humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year. I > was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees in > the garage at ten o'clock at night. > > A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access > to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding solutions > to > problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to > loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a > Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It > works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on > stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney > Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand swagger > (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so it > will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the plans > call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). > > If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my ears > are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. > > I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies prior > to use. How do I do this? > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:48 PM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Quoting DJ Vegh : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > I just got my tool on ebay last week for $90. It does 1/16 to 5/32. It is > an authentic Niocpress tool. It works great! > > Never underestimate the power of ebay :-) > > DJ Oh, great now we are all going to be bidding aginst each other and drive prices up. Chris Sacramento, CA Do not archive ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:05 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" No, The sleeves supplied with my Fisher 404 were aluminum, the same, I guess, that are at Home Depot. Now the sleeves from AS&S were all brass, some plated , some not. Used the plated ones out of sight, and the brass ones out where the antique admirerers could see. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > All nico press sleeves are copper. They may be plated. Check AC 43-13.1B > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > > > Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their > Piet > > anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the > > humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of > year. I > > was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 > degrees in > > the garage at ten o'clock at night. > > > > A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking > access > > to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding > solutions > > to > > problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk > to > > loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a > > Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. > It > > works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works > on > > stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for > Feeney > > Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand > swagger > > (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so > it > > will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the > plans > > call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). > > > > If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my > ears > > are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. > > > > I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies > prior > > to use. How do I do this? > > > > Chris > > Sacramento, CA > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:52 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: pros and cons of my Nicropress tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" I bought the cheap version of the tool. Like it cause I clamp the tool in the vice and I can control the cable going into the tool before I crimp, and can get the sleeve just right with a few turns of the bolt, just to keep the sleeve there without crimping. then get everything set with the thimble nice and tight to the tool before crimping. Seems to me that with the expensive tool , someone has to be on the sqeezing end , and someone else on the cable end. What do you do when you are putting ends on a rudder cable and it's way up front near the floor? I could never have done mine squeezing with two hands. Bet that everyone that uses the big tool, had to cut at least one end off because someone wasn't watching, or moved. On the first end , it's only a do-over, on the second end, you throw the whole cable away. If I lost my tool tomorrow on the way back from winning the lottery, I'd still buy the economy tool. I'll squoze under control over squozing for speed. walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:44 PM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner At 2:11 PM -0400 07/18/03, John Ford wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > >Agreed, 100%! > >do not archive > >John Ford >jford@indstate.edu >812-237-8542 > > >>>> ggower_99@yahoo.com Friday, July 18, 2003 12:12:31 PM >>> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > >One thing I got advised from an old adventurer type friend of the >family, during my college vacation days, was that every place you >visit, eat the local food you dont know what it is... I do everytime, >sometimes is delicious and some very few times you can't even swalow >it. Is 50% of the joy of traveling. > >Saludos >Gary Gower You guys are making me positively homesick for good old Carolina-style barbecue.(Pork shoulder, or whole pig, slooooow cooked over hickory coals, liberally basted in hot pepper vinegar, shredded & served with sweet cole slaw on a bun & a dash of Tabasco or Crystal hot sauce - there is nothing better.) Perogi's are great, but the other Ohio specialty I've run across since moving up here, namely, fried sauerkraut balls, I just can't get into. I'd vote for fried Walleye at Brodhead, but I'll 'settle' for the pork chops - I've been waiting to try those for a couple of years now. BTW, one of those local foods that I tried while travelling & can do without is Scottish haggis - no offense to any full-blood Scot on the list, but that one had to have been dreamed up when someone was DESPERATELY hungry :) Thank god the Scots know how to brew beer & distill whisky. Oh yeah, cracked conch, fried up by a native Bahamian cook, rates up there at the top of the list too. I could go on, but.... See y'all at Brodhead. Kip Gardner North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:49 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool (diferent sleeves) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower This bring a question I want to make. Is there any diference betwen copper sleves and the plated color ones? I run out of plated ones but have about 200 coppper ones a friend brough to me from S&F. Is there any rule about type of sleeve used with galvanized or SS cable? Appreciate any help. Saludos Gary Gower --- Cy Galley wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > All nico press sleeves are copper. They may be plated. Check AC > 43-13.1B > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > > > Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on > their > Piet > > anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the > > humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time > of > year. I > > was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 > degrees in > > the garage at ten o'clock at night. > > > > A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started > blocking > access > > to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding > solutions > > to > > problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh > don't talk > to > > loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search > turned up a > > Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 > dollars. > It > > works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it > works > on > > stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) > for > Feeney > > Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock > hand > swagger > > (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to > 1/8" so > it > > will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I > believe the > plans > > call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). > > > > If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of > it my > ears > > are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. > > > > I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables > assemblies > prior > > to use. How do I do this? > > > > Chris > > Sacramento, CA > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:50 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" From AC 43-13 b. Nicopress Process. A patented process using copper sleeves may be used up to the full rated strength of the cable when the cable is looped around a thimble. This process may also be used in place of the five-tuck splice on Page 7-32 Par 7-148 cables up to and including 3/8 inch diameter. The use of sleeves that are fabricated of materials other than copper will require engineering approval for the specific application by the FAA. Your ultralight and experimental can use aluminum but the FAA does not permit it for certified planes. Why take the chance? Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > No, The sleeves supplied with my Fisher 404 were aluminum, the same, I > guess, that are at Home Depot. > Now the sleeves from AS&S were all brass, some plated , some not. Used the > plated ones out of sight, and the brass ones out where the antique > admirerers could see. > walt evans > NX140DL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cy Galley" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > > > All nico press sleeves are copper. They may be plated. Check AC 43-13.1B > > > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > > > > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > > > > > Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their > > Piet > > > anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the > > > humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of > > year. I > > > was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 > > degrees in > > > the garage at ten o'clock at night. > > > > > > A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking > > access > > > to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding > > solutions > > > to > > > problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't > talk > > to > > > loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up > a > > > Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 > dollars. > > It > > > works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it > works > > on > > > stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for > > Feeney > > > Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand > > swagger > > > (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" > so > > it > > > will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe > the > > plans > > > call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). > > > > > > If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my > > ears > > > are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. > > > > > > I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies > > prior > > > to use. How do I do this? > > > > > > Chris > > > Sacramento, CA > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:37 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pros and cons of my Nicropress tool --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Here I have the only Nico press Tool in the city, is the big one, we always make the cables in teams of at least two, preferable 3 builders. We have never used the economic one. There were 2 of them, but when they robed our friends shop, they tried to use it as lock braker :-( and that was the end of tool # 2, and several tools from his shop... Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- w b evans wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" > > > I bought the cheap version of the tool. Like it cause I clamp the > tool in the vice and I can control the cable going into the tool > before I crimp, and can get the sleeve just right with a few turns of > the bolt, just to keep the sleeve there without crimping. then get > everything set with the thimble nice and tight to the tool before > crimping. > Seems to me that with the expensive tool , someone has to be on the > sqeezing end , and someone else on the cable end. > What do you do when you are putting ends on a rudder cable and > it's way up front near the floor? I could never have done mine > squeezing with two hands. > Bet that everyone that uses the big tool, had to cut at least one end > off because someone wasn't watching, or moved. On the first end , > it's only a do-over, on the second end, you throw the whole cable > away. > If I lost my tool tomorrow on the way back from winning the lottery, > I'd still buy the economy tool. > I'll squoze under control over squozing for speed. > walt evans > NX140DL > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:04 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool (diferent sleeves) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Again AC 43-13 says that you must use plated sleeves on Stainless cable because of corrosion due to electrolysis. It isn't very obvious but the info is at the bottom of a table with a "Splat" (*) as the English would say. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool (diferent sleeves) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > This bring a question I want to make. Is there any diference betwen > copper sleves and the plated color ones? I run out of plated ones > but have about 200 coppper ones a friend brough to me from S&F. > > Is there any rule about type of sleeve used with galvanized or SS > cable? > > Appreciate any help. > > Saludos > Gary Gower > > --- Cy Galley wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > > > All nico press sleeves are copper. They may be plated. Check AC > > 43-13.1B > > > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > > > > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > > > > > Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on > > their > > Piet > > > anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the > > > humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time > > of > > year. I > > > was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 > > degrees in > > > the garage at ten o'clock at night. > > > > > > A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started > > blocking > > access > > > to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding > > solutions > > > to > > > problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh > > don't talk > > to > > > loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search > > turned up a > > > Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 > > dollars. > > It > > > works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it > > works > > on > > > stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) > > for > > Feeney > > > Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock > > hand > > swagger > > > (also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to > > 1/8" so > > it > > > will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I > > believe the > > plans > > > call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables). > > > > > > If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of > > it my > > ears > > > are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works. > > > > > > I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables > > assemblies > > prior > > > to use. How do I do this? > > > > > > Chris > > > Sacramento, CA > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:56 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif My ancestors had to become good at alky-- it's the only way to get that haggis stuff down. I have always had the suspicion that its real purpose was to poison King James. Mike, whaddya mean ONE dollop. Is that why I have to widen the cockpit? Clif do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner > > At 2:11 PM -0400 07/18/03, John Ford wrote: > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > > >Agreed, 100%! > > > >do not archive > > > >John Ford > >jford@indstate.edu > >812-237-8542 > > > > > >>>> ggower_99@yahoo.com Friday, July 18, 2003 12:12:31 PM >>> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > > >One thing I got advised from an old adventurer type friend of the > >family, during my college vacation days, was that every place you > >visit, eat the local food you dont know what it is... I do everytime, > >sometimes is delicious and some very few times you can't even swalow > >it. Is 50% of the joy of traveling. > > > >Saludos > >Gary Gower > > You guys are making me positively homesick for good old Carolina-style > barbecue.(Pork shoulder, or whole pig, slooooow cooked over hickory coals, > liberally basted in hot pepper vinegar, shredded & served with sweet cole > slaw on a bun & a dash of Tabasco or Crystal hot sauce - there is nothing > better.) > > Perogi's are great, but the other Ohio specialty I've run across since > moving up here, namely, fried sauerkraut balls, I just can't get into. > > I'd vote for fried Walleye at Brodhead, but I'll 'settle' for the pork > chops - I've been waiting to try those for a couple of years now. > > BTW, one of those local foods that I tried while travelling & can do > without is Scottish haggis - no offense to any full-blood Scot on the list, > but that one had to have been dreamed up when someone was DESPERATELY > hungry :) > > Thank god the Scots know how to brew beer & distill whisky. > > Oh yeah, cracked conch, fried up by a native Bahamian cook, rates up there > at the top of the list too. > > I could go on, but.... > > See y'all at Brodhead. > > Kip Gardner > > North Canton, OH > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:18 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Projects in the Seattle area? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif Hi Jim, Every year I go to Arlington EAA sporting my Piet tee( one hr north of Seattle ). The only bite I've got is that someone had one and it burnt in a hanger fire some years ago. Up here in Vancouver (2hrs and a border from Seattle) there's myself, an older one being rebuilt, and a rumour of another. In Victoria, on Vancouver Island are two more, an A65 powered older one and a B powered new one. Up Island from there is another in Naniamo. Oh yeah, another hanging from the ceiling of the local air museum at Victoria International(YVR) and an old, prewar frame with still covered wings -and the craziest center join you have ever seen! I'm not sure yet where I'll be at that time. My youngest daughter is moving to Toronto to be with her older sister and to go to school. She wants me to take a few days and go with her. I don't know if I can yet. If not? If Piets don't work out, you absolutely HAVE to see the Boeng museum in Seatle. Clif do not archive > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > I'll be in Seattle on business around the end of August and have a Sunday > free.....anyone know of any (Pietenpol) Air Campers in the area? > > I have Doc's dirctory and will do the cross reference process (having ALL > the info (not just the N#) listed by state would REALLY be nice) when I have > some time.... > > In the meantime, if anyone knows of a willing owner that might allow some > pictures and a chat (anywhere in the Seattle area, I'll have a car)....let > me know. > > Thanks, > Jim in Plano > >