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1. 05:26 AM - damn (Kip & Beth Gardner)
2. 07:34 AM - Weekend Weather (Craig Lawler)
3. 07:34 AM - Weekend Weather (Craig Lawler)
4. 07:42 AM - Piet-less in Seattle (Sayre, William G)
5. 08:25 AM - Stevee needs A-65 help (Steve Eldredge)
6. 08:32 AM - latest entry in the log - LOTS of pics (DJ Vegh)
7. 10:46 AM - Nicopress (tm) (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 10:52 AM - Won't make it! (John Dilatush)
9. 11:49 AM - Re: Won't make it! (Christian Bobka)
10. 12:09 PM - Re: Won't make it! (rambog@erols.com)
11. 12:15 PM - Re: Nicopress (tm) (Gary McNeel, Jr.)
12. 12:33 PM - Re: Stevee needs A-65 help (w b evans)
13. 12:49 PM - Re: Nicopress (tm) (w b evans)
14. 01:26 PM - Authentic lettering style (Greg Cardinal)
15. 02:16 PM - Re: Authentic lettering style (Stefan Vorkoetter)
16. 02:41 PM - introduction and -- where's the cargo go? (Jeff Cours)
17. 03:01 PM - Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? (w b evans)
18. 03:13 PM - Re: Stevee needs A-65 help (hjarrett)
19. 03:25 PM - Re: Stevee needs A-65 help (Cy Galley)
20. 04:01 PM - Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? (Jeff Cours)
21. 04:03 PM - Re: Stevee needs A-65 help (w b evans)
22. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? (Jim Ash)
23. 04:17 PM - Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? ()
24. 04:32 PM - Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? (w b evans)
25. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? (w b evans)
26. 04:39 PM - Going to Brodhead (Richard Schreiber)
27. 05:11 PM - Re: Stevee needs A-65 help (Cy Galley)
28. 05:17 PM - nicopress (Dennis Engellkenjohn)
29. 05:31 PM - Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? (Christian Bobka)
30. 05:34 PM - Re: Stevee needs A-65 help (Christian Bobka)
31. 05:54 PM - Re: Stevee needs A-65 help (hjarrett)
32. 06:37 PM - Re: Going to Brodhead (Cinda Gadd)
33. 07:42 PM - A-65 magneto questions (Bert Conoly)
34. 09:05 PM - Re: A-65 magneto questions (Isablcorky@aol.com)
35. 09:31 PM - Re: Won't make it! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
36. 09:46 PM - Wright Bros. (clif)
37. 10:25 PM - Re: Nicopress Tool (Gary McNeel)
38. 10:33 PM - Re: Authentic lettering style (clif)
39. 10:43 PM - Re: Nicopress (tm) (Gary McNeel)
40. 11:32 PM - Data Plate (clif)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Fellow Pieters,
In spite of making plans for months to be at Brodhead, events have
conspired to make it impossible for me to be there unless someone who is
flying up Friday & returning on Sunday can transit NE Ohio & let me hitch
up. I'm not begging, just letting you all know my situation.
Life can be a bitch sometimes. I was really hoping to meet many of you &
also catch up again with William Wynne.
Maybe next year, in the meantime, damn, damn, damn.
Regards,
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
Walt,
We got in a bunch of Piet flying here in central Pa this weekend too. I
was out for a couple of hours last night flying formation with a friend
that has a Challenger. The Para Plane guys were out too. I can just
about stay with them with the Piet.
Craig
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
Walt,
We got in a bunch of Piet flying here in central Pa this weekend too. I
was out for a couple of hours last night flying formation with a friend
that has a Challenger. The Para Plane guys were out too. I can just
about stay with them with the Piet.
Craig
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| Subject: | Piet-less in Seattle |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
In the meantime, if anyone knows of a willing owner that might allow some pictures
and a chat (anywhere in the Seattle area, I'll have a car)....let me know.
Thanks,
Jim in Plano
------------------------------------
Dear Piet-less in Seattle (Jim),
I live in Gig Harbor, Washington. It is located about 50 miles South of Seattle
across the Narrows bridge in Tacoma. Takes about an hour to drive (traffic
permitting).
I am involved with the construction of two Pietenpols where my partner is building
the wings and tails and I am building the fuselages with Model-A engines.
The fuselages are tubular 4130 instead of wood and both ships have the straight
axle landing gear.
Currently I am busier finishing up a Boredom Fighter so the Piet fuselages are
not in the best position for viewing but you would be welcome to look if you're
near by. My partner lives in Vancouver, WA, which is about three hours South
of Tacoma. That's a bit of a trip.
The only complication I can see is that August is my busiest month for flying and
I may be camping out of town. On the other hand, Sundays I usually like to
be home to prepare for the upcoming workweek.
If you'd care to see a frame with some interior in it, and Model-A engines on stands,
you'd be welcome. Sorry I don't have more to show.
Bill Sayre
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| Subject: | Stevee needs A-65 help |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Changing spark plugs and ignition harness to Shielded.
All the plugs were tight, but two of the bottom plugs were very, very
tight. I finally removed them, but when they came out they looked too
big. Then I realized that I had torqued out a steel insert from the
jug, shearing a locking pin in the process. I separated the insert and
plug at home using a vise and an impact wrench. My question is NOW
WHAT!? I hope I'm not in the unenviable position of having to rebuild
two cylinders.... Does anyone know what material the lock pin is for
the insert? Any suggestions appreciated.
Steve E.
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| Subject: | latest entry in the log - LOTS of pics |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I corrected missing/broken link in the log this morning. the last 3 entries
are now correct. there are LOTS of pics of the center section and cabanes
and some nice shots of the whole plane as it looks as of now.
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/07-19-03.htm
and
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/07-04-03.htm
if you scroll down on the last link you'll find a ton of photos taken
recently.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
>
> All I can say is perogi's should have a warning label,,,
> " May become addictive"
> One plate is not enough,, oh yea, potatoes and cheese are the best.
> Carl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Perogi's & Fish Fry's
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > I'm not going to incriminate anyone on the list, but there is a really
> nice
> > fellow from Texas on the list who hadn't heard of what a Perogi is.
That
> > stands to reason as he wasn't raised in Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, St.
> > Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. With all the ethnic folks who
migrated
> > to Cleveland over the years, Perogi's are considered one of the main
food
> > groups.
> >
> > For those who don't know, perogis are dough-like pockets that can be
> filled
> > with mashed potatoes and cheese, sauerkraut, fruit fillings or whatever
> you
> > can dream up. We like the potato and cheese ones. You fire up the
> iron
> > skilled and saute butter and onions and brown those perogis up nice on
> both
> > sides. Put a spoon of sour cream over the top and salt and pepper.
> Yummers.
> >
> > do not archive (no wonder my CG is so far AFT !!!!
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Whew. I'm glad somebody else asked the question about the inexpensive
nicopress squeezer because I've been afraid of getting flamed about using
it. Of course, both the "real" tool and the "cheap" tool are offered in the
builder supply catalogs, but nobody seems to use the cheap one. The one I
have is borrowed from a KR builder who used it successfully in the rebuild
of his KR. I have a bunch of 3/32 cable and copper sleeves to crimp on my
M-19 "Flying Squirrel" and was planning to use the cheap tool. I used it
with some hardware-store cable and aluminum crimps (to brace a sagging door)
and they looked fine, but not at all like the 3-press variety. With the
cheap tool, you get one fat crimp and that's it.
I agree with Walt that it's far easier to control your crimp using the cheap
squeezer. You have complete control over the tension, the placement, and
everything else before you squeeze it. I was just worried that some Tech
Counselor or wise-a** would tell me I was going to crash and die for using
single-crimp nicos instead of "real" 3-crimp ones.
However... consider a strength comparison between 1/8" aircraft cable with
single-crimp nicos vs. building it to plans, with 12 ga. hard wire braces
with wire-wound ferrules... no contest.
Oh, and for you last few patient folks still wondering where your brass data
plates are, I'm sending out Bruce Johnston's, John Myers', and Cecil
Stokesberry's. And although I can't seem to find a record of getting
payment, I'm going ahead and sending plates out to Kip Gardner, John
Ficklen, and Doyle Combs because I know my record keeping ain't great
anyway. And wishing I were going to Brodhead so I could maybe sell a few
more of these data plates or (better yet) trade 'em for free rides. Next
year for sure!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
Pieters,
I was looking foward to meeting with all of you at Brodhead this year, but will
be unable to do so because of recent events.
Late last month I flew "Mountain Piet" to Longmont CO for the Rocky Mt. Flyin and
upon arrival, was sequenced too close to another plane on final. I had flown
over the mountains at a little over 14,000 feet and had the manual waste gate
controller for the turbo on the Subaru Engine almost closed. When I added
power for a go around, I failed to open the turbo wastegate and pegged the guage
which goes up to 50 inches. Next thing that I knew, I had coolant blowing all
over and the temp gauges all pegged too. (For about 5 seconds I probably had
at least 500 hp maybe?)
I pulled throttle and swung around and put Piet down on a ultralite strip. Upon
examination, it appeared that the only damage to the engine was that the crossover
pipe from the right to left cylinder bank had blown. We walked the plane
over to the display area and left it. (even with coolant all over the bird,
it still won an award.)
On Monday I rented a car and drove into Denver to find another crossover pipe,
Came back and installed it. Ran engine up and decided to fly it home. Took
off and made it to about 400 feet and the damn thing really blew up! Smoke, oil
and coolant all over the place! I put it down in a field between a fence and
ditch, stopped about 20 ft before the ditch. We hauled the plane back to the
airport.
This time there was a big hole blown in the crankcase. So I went to Denver again
and purchased a remanufactured engine. (cost about $1900 including tax, just
about the price of 1 and 1/2 cylinders on a Lycoming engine!) Spent the next
week installing it and flew home without any problem.
This past Sunday evening, I slipped going down the stairs to our lower level and
sprained my ankle and busted a toe. I am now convinced that the Gods are not
in favor of my flying back to Brodhead. I give up!
See you next year, maybe. Have a great reunion!
Cordially,
John Dilatush, NX114D
Salida, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Won't make it! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
John D.,
Sorry to here about the misfortunes but now you have time to build your
sandblaster.
Chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Won't make it!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
>
> Pieters,
>
> I was looking foward to meeting with all of you at Brodhead this year, but
will be unable to do so because of recent events.
>
> Late last month I flew "Mountain Piet" to Longmont CO for the Rocky Mt.
Flyin and upon arrival, was sequenced too close to another plane on final.
I had flown over the mountains at a little over 14,000 feet and had the
manual waste gate controller for the turbo on the Subaru Engine almost
closed. When I added power for a go around, I failed to open the turbo
wastegate and pegged the guage which goes up to 50 inches. Next thing that I
knew, I had coolant blowing all over and the temp gauges all pegged too.
(For about 5 seconds I probably had at least 500 hp maybe?)
>
> I pulled throttle and swung around and put Piet down on a ultralite strip.
Upon examination, it appeared that the only damage to the engine was that
the crossover pipe from the right to left cylinder bank had blown. We
walked the plane over to the display area and left it. (even with coolant
all over the bird, it still won an award.)
>
> On Monday I rented a car and drove into Denver to find another crossover
pipe, Came back and installed it. Ran engine up and decided to fly it
home. Took off and made it to about 400 feet and the damn thing really blew
up! Smoke, oil and coolant all over the place! I put it down in a field
between a fence and ditch, stopped about 20 ft before the ditch. We hauled
the plane back to the airport.
>
> This time there was a big hole blown in the crankcase. So I went to
Denver again and purchased a remanufactured engine. (cost about $1900
including tax, just about the price of 1 and 1/2 cylinders on a Lycoming
engine!) Spent the next week installing it and flew home without any
problem.
>
> This past Sunday evening, I slipped going down the stairs to our lower
level and sprained my ankle and busted a toe. I am now convinced that the
Gods are not in favor of my flying back to Brodhead. I give up!
>
> See you next year, maybe. Have a great reunion!
>
> Cordially,
>
> John Dilatush, NX114D
> Salida, Colorado
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rambog@erols.com" <rambog@erols.com>
There is no such thing as can't . . . if the airplane is flying, get
yourself in it and come to Brodhead. I've heard too much about this
airplane not to see it now!!!!
Gene
do not archive
Original Message:
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From: John Dilatush dilatush@amigo.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Won't make it!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
Pieters,
I was looking foward to meeting with all of you at Brodhead this year, but
will be unable to do so because of recent events.
Late last month I flew "Mountain Piet" to Longmont CO for the Rocky Mt.
Flyin and upon arrival, was sequenced too close to another plane on final.
I had flown over the mountains at a little over 14,000 feet and had the
manual waste gate controller for the turbo on the Subaru Engine almost
closed. When I added power for a go around, I failed to open the turbo
wastegate and pegged the guage which goes up to 50 inches. Next thing that
I knew, I had coolant blowing all over and the temp gauges all pegged too.
(For about 5 seconds I probably had at least 500 hp maybe?)
I pulled throttle and swung around and put Piet down on a ultralite strip.
Upon examination, it appeared that the only damage to the engine was that
the crossover pipe from the right to left cylinder bank had blown. We
walked the plane over to the display area and left it. (even with coolant
all over the bird, it still won an award.)
On Monday I rented a car and drove into Denver to find another crossover
pipe, Came back and installed it. Ran engine up and decided to fly it
home. Took off and made it to about 400 feet and the damn thing really
blew up! Smoke, oil and coolant all over the place! I put it down in a
field between a fence and ditch, stopped about 20 ft before the ditch. We
hauled the plane back to the airport.
This time there was a big hole blown in the crankcase. So I went to Denver
again and purchased a remanufactured engine. (cost about $1900 including
tax, just about the price of 1 and 1/2 cylinders on a Lycoming engine!)
Spent the next week installing it and flew home without any problem.
This past Sunday evening, I slipped going down the stairs to our lower
level and sprained my ankle and busted a toe. I am now convinced that the
Gods are not in favor of my flying back to Brodhead. I give up!
See you next year, maybe. Have a great reunion!
Cordially,
John Dilatush, NX114D
Salida, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Nicopress (tm) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <gmcneel@mykitplane.com>
Ah, I forgot to get the name of the one I bought. Was $25 on Ebay. Was a very nice
one, I will photo it and send the picture. I still have the email to the listing
on Ebay, but the listing is no longer there, expired, and I forget who
I bought it from, I will look at PayPal and try to track them down.
The one I have does three sizes, 3/32, 1/8 and something bigger (I forget). It
looks like a huge crimper or bolt cutter.
If you can find one, get it, works great, is adjustable, etc. I just clamp one
arm in the vice, get everything all held together, stick it in and press it. Wallah,
you have a strong cable connection.
-Gary
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Whew. I'm glad somebody else asked the question about the inexpensive
>nicopress squeezer because I've been afraid of getting flamed about using
>it. Of course, both the "real" tool and the "cheap" tool are offered in the
>builder supply catalogs, but nobody seems to use the cheap one. The one I
>have is borrowed from a KR builder who used it successfully in the rebuild
>of his KR. I have a bunch of 3/32 cable and copper sleeves to crimp on my
>M-19 "Flying Squirrel" and was planning to use the cheap tool. I used it
>with some hardware-store cable and aluminum crimps (to brace a sagging door)
>and they looked fine, but not at all like the 3-press variety. With the
>cheap tool, you get one fat crimp and that's it.
>
>I agree with Walt that it's far easier to control your crimp using the cheap
>squeezer. You have complete control over the tension, the placement, and
>everything else before you squeeze it. I was just worried that some Tech
>Counselor or wise-a** would tell me I was going to crash and die for using
>single-crimp nicos instead of "real" 3-crimp ones.
>
>However... consider a strength comparison between 1/8" aircraft cable with
>single-crimp nicos vs. building it to plans, with 12 ga. hard wire braces
>with wire-wound ferrules... no contest.
>
>Oh, and for you last few patient folks still wondering where your brass data
>plates are, I'm sending out Bruce Johnston's, John Myers', and Cecil
>Stokesberry's. And although I can't seem to find a record of getting
>payment, I'm going ahead and sending plates out to Kip Gardner, John
>Ficklen, and Doyle Combs because I know my record keeping ain't great
>anyway. And wishing I were going to Brodhead so I could maybe sell a few
>more of these data plates or (better yet) trade 'em for free rides. Next
>year for sure!
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stevee needs A-65 help |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Steve,
My AP had replaced a couple for me. They look like brass with a brass pin.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
>
> Changing spark plugs and ignition harness to Shielded.
>
> All the plugs were tight, but two of the bottom plugs were very, very
> tight. I finally removed them, but when they came out they looked too
> big. Then I realized that I had torqued out a steel insert from the
> jug, shearing a locking pin in the process. I separated the insert and
> plug at home using a vise and an impact wrench. My question is NOW
> WHAT!? I hope I'm not in the unenviable position of having to rebuild
> two cylinders.... Does anyone know what material the lock pin is for
> the insert? Any suggestions appreciated.
>
> Steve E.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nicopress (tm) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Oscar,
Even though I use the economy crimper, I still do the proper three crimps.
My final looks exactly like everyone elses when done. But again, to do the
second and third, with a slight turn of the bolt you can look really close
at the position of the jaws so you start at the right place and get pretty
even looking spacing.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress (tm)
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
> <snip>
> I agree with Walt that it's far easier to control your crimp using the
cheap
> squeezer. You have complete control over the tension, the placement, and
> everything else before you squeeze it. I was just worried that some Tech
> Counselor or wise-a** would tell me I was going to crash and die for using
> single-crimp nicos instead of "real" 3-crimp ones.
> <snip>
>> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Authentic lettering style |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@startribune.com>
Gene Rambo, or others who have been involved with authentic restorations
-
Is their a correct style of lettering for airplanes of the Pietenpol
vintage?
I have the proper dimensions of the lettering to be placed on the wing,
30" high X 20" wide,
5" stroke width and 10" between letters. This was found in the
"Aeronautic Safety Code" from around 1930. It does state that "plain
block lettering" be used but that isn't descriptive enough.
The Piet that Dale Johnson and I are building will have the
registration number NX18235.
I'm OK with figures that don't have curves like the "N", "X" and "1"
but I need to know the proper dimensions and radii of the "8", "2", "3"
and "5".
Any suggestions?
Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
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| Subject: | Re: Authentic lettering style |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter <stefan@capable.ca>
Greg Cardinal wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@startribune.com>
>
> Gene Rambo, or others who have been involved with authentic restorations
> -
>
> Is their a correct style of lettering for airplanes of the Pietenpol
> vintage?
Take a look at http://members.aol.com/p5219/fonts.htm and
http://www.tlai.com/med_des/modeling.html
Stefan
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
Hi, everyone -
I just got my plans and builder's guide a week ago and have been looking
through them, trying to figure out if an Air Camper is the right plane
for a low time tri-gear pilot who's living in the Bay Area. (Yep, it'd
be a Piet with Mode C...) Since I've never built a plane before, and I'm
not too familiar with blueprints, it's been a really pleasant surprise
how much sense the drawings make after I've had a bit of time to go over
them.
I don't know enough yet to be able to ask an intelligent question, but I
do have a not-so-intelligent one: where do you put the cargo? In other
words, when people take their Air Campers airplane camping, where do
they put the tent and sleeping bag? Has anyone looked at building a
small cargo cubby into the space behind the pilot's seat? (Looks like
you'd have to watch weight and balance, but it seems like a hinged
turtledeck section might let you put small, lightweight things back there.)
thanks in advance,
Jeff C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
I think it was Mike Cuy who put a luggage compartment in the wing center.
Since he had a big fuel tank up front. If I had it to do over, I'd do like
him. Now I have 24 gallons total, kind of unrealistic with a A-65.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Cours" <piet-j@moriarti.org>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
> Hi, everyone -
>
> I just got my plans and builder's guide a week ago and have been looking
> through them, trying to figure out if an Air Camper is the right plane
> for a low time tri-gear pilot who's living in the Bay Area. (Yep, it'd
> be a Piet with Mode C...) Since I've never built a plane before, and I'm
> not too familiar with blueprints, it's been a really pleasant surprise
> how much sense the drawings make after I've had a bit of time to go over
> them.
>
> I don't know enough yet to be able to ask an intelligent question, but I
> do have a not-so-intelligent one: where do you put the cargo? In other
> words, when people take their Air Campers airplane camping, where do
> they put the tent and sleeping bag? Has anyone looked at building a
> small cargo cubby into the space behind the pilot's seat? (Looks like
> you'd have to watch weight and balance, but it seems like a hinged
> turtledeck section might let you put small, lightweight things back
there.)
>
> thanks in advance,
> Jeff C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
Get with a good A&P that has put in inserts (most all of the older guys will
have done it). Got to make sure the hole is clean and clear of debris.
It's not a huge job, but you want to make sure there isn't anything still in
the cylinder to cause damage and that the cylinder is in good shape. See if
he will let you watch (better yet, help) him do the job. It isn't a job you
want to do yourself (at least not the first time). When you put the plugs
back, get a tube of anti-seize and have him show you how to put it on the
threads. It's IMPORTANT you NOT get in near the tip! It will really screw
up the ignition. If you put it on the threads right, you will never need to
replace the inserts again.
Hank J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
>
> Changing spark plugs and ignition harness to Shielded.
>
> All the plugs were tight, but two of the bottom plugs were very, very
> tight. I finally removed them, but when they came out they looked too
> big. Then I realized that I had torqued out a steel insert from the
> jug, shearing a locking pin in the process. I separated the insert and
> plug at home using a vise and an impact wrench. My question is NOW
> WHAT!? I hope I'm not in the unenviable position of having to rebuild
> two cylinders.... Does anyone know what material the lock pin is for
> the insert? Any suggestions appreciated.
>
> Steve E.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stevee needs A-65 help |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
The part manual lists them as 1/8" by 3/8"
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Steve,
> My AP had replaced a couple for me. They look like brass with a brass
pin.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> >
> > Changing spark plugs and ignition harness to Shielded.
> >
> > All the plugs were tight, but two of the bottom plugs were very, very
> > tight. I finally removed them, but when they came out they looked too
> > big. Then I realized that I had torqued out a steel insert from the
> > jug, shearing a locking pin in the process. I separated the insert and
> > plug at home using a vise and an impact wrench. My question is NOW
> > WHAT!? I hope I'm not in the unenviable position of having to rebuild
> > two cylinders.... Does anyone know what material the lock pin is for
> > the insert? Any suggestions appreciated.
> >
> > Steve E.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
w b evans wrote:
> I think it was Mike Cuy who put a luggage compartment in the wing center.
> Since he had a big fuel tank up front. If I had it to do over, I'd do like
> him. Now I have 24 gallons total, kind of unrealistic with a A-65.
What an interesting idea! Those are some beautiful pictures of your
plane on the Yahoo Groups site. I was having a little trouble getting a
sense of scale, though. Does the large front tank take over the space
behind the passenger seat's panel? Also, how much fuel does that tank
hold -- somewhere in the 12-14 gallon range?
thanks,
Jeff C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Cy,
Are they in fact brass with a brass pin?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> The part manual lists them as 1/8" by 3/8"
>
> Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
> Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
> www.bellanca-championclub.com
> Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
> Quarterly newsletters on time
> Reasonable document reprints
> 1-518-731-6800
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
> >
> > Steve,
> > My AP had replaced a couple for me. They look like brass with a brass
> pin.
> > walt evans
> > NX140DL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> > To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> > >
> > > Changing spark plugs and ignition harness to Shielded.
> > >
> > > All the plugs were tight, but two of the bottom plugs were very, very
> > > tight. I finally removed them, but when they came out they looked too
> > > big. Then I realized that I had torqued out a steel insert from the
> > > jug, shearing a locking pin in the process. I separated the insert
and
> > > plug at home using a vise and an impact wrench. My question is NOW
> > > WHAT!? I hope I'm not in the unenviable position of having to
rebuild
> > > two cylinders.... Does anyone know what material the lock pin is for
> > > the insert? Any suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Steve E.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Walt -
In my ideal plane, bladder and fuel times should be about equal.
You must have an amazing bladder.
Jim Ash
-------Original Message-------
From: w b evans <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
I think it was Mike Cuy who put a luggage compartment in the wing center.
Since he had a big fuel tank up front. If I had it to do over, I'd do
like
him. Now I have 24 gallons total, kind of unrealistic with a A-65.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Cours" <piet-j@moriarti.org>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
> Hi, everyone -
>
> I just got my plans and builder's guide a week ago and have been looking
> through them, trying to figure out if an Air Camper is the right plane
> for a low time tri-gear pilot who's living in the Bay Area. (Yep, it'd
> be a Piet with Mode C...) Since I've never built a plane before, and I'm
> not too familiar with blueprints, it's been a really pleasant surprise
> how much sense the drawings make after I've had a bit of time to go over
> them.
>
> I don't know enough yet to be able to ask an intelligent question, but I
> do have a not-so-intelligent one: where do you put the cargo? In other
> words, when people take their Air Campers airplane camping, where do
> they put the tent and sleeping bag? Has anyone looked at building a
> small cargo cubby into the space behind the pilot's seat? (Looks like
> you'd have to watch weight and balance, but it seems like a hinged
> turtledeck section might let you put small, lightweight things back
there.)
>
> thanks in advance,
> Jeff C.
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Quoting Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>:
where do you put the cargo?
I have seen cargo space in three places. If you use a wing tank you can use
the space right behind the fire wall. If you have a nose take you can use the
wing center section space. The best way to do it is to have a sack built for
the front cockpit and stuff it in there. Be very carefully that it will not
interfere with the control. Mike Cuy made his front stick removable so he
could stuff more stuff in his.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
-------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: introduction and -- where's the cargo go? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
My front tank is where most are, in the very nose where the old Model A used
to go. Just behind where the cowl dips down toward the engine. In this
pic,,,just ahead of the angle tubing that runs from the wing fwd to the
body.
It's 14 gals.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Cours" <piet-j@moriarti.org>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
> w b evans wrote:
> > I think it was Mike Cuy who put a luggage compartment in the wing
center.
> > Since he had a big fuel tank up front. If I had it to do over, I'd do
like
> > him. Now I have 24 gallons total, kind of unrealistic with a A-65.
>
> What an interesting idea! Those are some beautiful pictures of your
> plane on the Yahoo Groups site. I was having a little trouble getting a
> sense of scale, though. Does the large front tank take over the space
> behind the passenger seat's panel? Also, how much fuel does that tank
> hold -- somewhere in the 12-14 gallon range?
>
> thanks,
> Jeff C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Jim,
Naw, just after flying ultralights for a while, always had my eye on the 5
gals. of fuel. When I built the Piet, became a kid in a candy shop with the
tanks.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Walt -
>
> In my ideal plane, bladder and fuel times should be about equal.
>
> You must have an amazing bladder.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
> From: w b evans <wbeevans@verizon.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
>
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> I think it was Mike Cuy who put a luggage compartment in the wing center.
> Since he had a big fuel tank up front. If I had it to do over, I'd do
> like
> him. Now I have 24 gallons total, kind of unrealistic with a A-65.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Cours" <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> >
> > Hi, everyone -
> >
> > I just got my plans and builder's guide a week ago and have been looking
> > through them, trying to figure out if an Air Camper is the right plane
> > for a low time tri-gear pilot who's living in the Bay Area. (Yep, it'd
> > be a Piet with Mode C...) Since I've never built a plane before, and I'm
> > not too familiar with blueprints, it's been a really pleasant surprise
> > how much sense the drawings make after I've had a bit of time to go over
> > them.
> >
> > I don't know enough yet to be able to ask an intelligent question, but I
> > do have a not-so-intelligent one: where do you put the cargo? In other
> > words, when people take their Air Campers airplane camping, where do
> > they put the tent and sleeping bag? Has anyone looked at building a
> > small cargo cubby into the space behind the pilot's seat? (Looks like
> > you'd have to watch weight and balance, but it seems like a hinged
> > turtledeck section might let you put small, lightweight things back
> there.)
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> > Jeff C.
> >
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Going to Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Schreiber <schreib@netnitco.net>
I've been making progress on my Pietenpol, which I started at the end of
April. I have all of my wing ribs done and the horiz. stab and
elevators. I plan on going to Brodhead this weekend and will like to fly
in my Tri Pacer if the weather co-opereates. Since this will be my first
trip I was wondering if anyone shows up Thursday night. If the weather
looks good Thursday, I would probably come in then if anyone will be around.
Rick Schreiber
N5936D
Porter Co. IN
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| Subject: | Re: Stevee needs A-65 help |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Manual doesn't say. The insert is brass. From what others have said, they
are probably brass as well. The insert for the A-65, C-75 or C-85 is #2002
and are available in oversize of 0.003, 0.006, 0.009 in case your cylinder
threads are loose.
The pin # is 22256 but one could make one out of 1/8" brazing rod. Their
only function is to prevent the insert from rotating and to shear if the
insert is stuck to the plug. It is a good idea to always use anti-seize.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
Quarterly newsletters on time
Reasonable document reprints
1-518-731-6800
----- Original Message -----
From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Cy,
> Are they in fact brass with a brass pin?
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> >
> > The part manual lists them as 1/8" by 3/8"
> >
> > Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
> > Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
> > www.bellanca-championclub.com
> > Actively supporting Aeroncas every day
> > Quarterly newsletters on time
> > Reasonable document reprints
> > 1-518-731-6800
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans"
<wbeevans@verizon.net>
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > > My AP had replaced a couple for me. They look like brass with a brass
> > pin.
> > > walt evans
> > > NX140DL
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> > > To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge"
<steve@byu.edu>
> > > >
> > > > Changing spark plugs and ignition harness to Shielded.
> > > >
> > > > All the plugs were tight, but two of the bottom plugs were very,
very
> > > > tight. I finally removed them, but when they came out they looked
too
> > > > big. Then I realized that I had torqued out a steel insert from the
> > > > jug, shearing a locking pin in the process. I separated the insert
> and
> > > > plug at home using a vise and an impact wrench. My question is NOW
> > > > WHAT!? I hope I'm not in the unenviable position of having to
> rebuild
> > > > two cylinders.... Does anyone know what material the lock pin is
for
> > > > the insert? Any suggestions appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Steve E.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engellkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
I bought my General Telephone nicopress squisher from a pawn shop in Topeka, Ks.
If there is any aircraft manufacturing, like Piper or Cessna or what not nearby,
check the pawn shops. Nicopress tools are not red hot in the "gotta have"
tool line unless you are into experimental aviation.
It was priced at $ 19, but I asked what he wanted for the worn out bolt cutter.
He told me that we both knew what it was, but he would come down to $ 17.
Still a deal.
Dennis
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Why the mode C?
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Cours" <piet-j@moriarti.org>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
> Hi, everyone -
>
> I just got my plans and builder's guide a week ago and have been looking
> through them, trying to figure out if an Air Camper is the right plane
> for a low time tri-gear pilot who's living in the Bay Area. (Yep, it'd
> be a Piet with Mode C...) Since I've never built a plane before, and I'm
> not too familiar with blueprints, it's been a really pleasant surprise
> how much sense the drawings make after I've had a bit of time to go over
> them.
>
> I don't know enough yet to be able to ask an intelligent question, but I
> do have a not-so-intelligent one: where do you put the cargo? In other
> words, when people take their Air Campers airplane camping, where do
> they put the tent and sleeping bag? Has anyone looked at building a
> small cargo cubby into the space behind the pilot's seat? (Looks like
> you'd have to watch weight and balance, but it seems like a hinged
> turtledeck section might let you put small, lightweight things back
there.)
>
> thanks in advance,
> Jeff C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stevee needs A-65 help |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
There is special antisieze that is used on spark plug threads that is sold
by champion. Aircraft Spruce has it. This antisieze will not screw up the
electordes on the plugs.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
>
> Get with a good A&P that has put in inserts (most all of the older guys
will
> have done it). Got to make sure the hole is clean and clear of debris.
> It's not a huge job, but you want to make sure there isn't anything still
in
> the cylinder to cause damage and that the cylinder is in good shape. See
if
> he will let you watch (better yet, help) him do the job. It isn't a job
you
> want to do yourself (at least not the first time). When you put the plugs
> back, get a tube of anti-seize and have him show you how to put it on the
> threads. It's IMPORTANT you NOT get in near the tip! It will really
screw
> up the ignition. If you put it on the threads right, you will never need
to
> replace the inserts again.
> Hank J
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> >
> > Changing spark plugs and ignition harness to Shielded.
> >
> > All the plugs were tight, but two of the bottom plugs were very, very
> > tight. I finally removed them, but when they came out they looked too
> > big. Then I realized that I had torqued out a steel insert from the
> > jug, shearing a locking pin in the process. I separated the insert and
> > plug at home using a vise and an impact wrench. My question is NOW
> > WHAT!? I hope I'm not in the unenviable position of having to rebuild
> > two cylinders.... Does anyone know what material the lock pin is for
> > the insert? Any suggestions appreciated.
> >
> > Steve E.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stevee needs A-65 help |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
I need to check that out. The stuff my IA gave me shorts out the plug if
you get it on there so I am always very careful to get it on the threads
only. If you are careful I know it works, I even use it on my cars plugs
and lug nuts and nothing has ever frozen again. I know that if you get it
on your pants you may as well throw them away and NEVER put them in the
washer. You end up with little silver streaks on all the cloths that are in
with them (the pants you were trying to get clean, never do either). I'll
check ASS and try theirs.
Hank J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> There is special antisieze that is used on spark plug threads that is sold
> by champion. Aircraft Spruce has it. This antisieze will not screw up
the
> electordes on the plugs.
>
>
> Chris Bobka
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
> >
> > Get with a good A&P that has put in inserts (most all of the older guys
> will
> > have done it). Got to make sure the hole is clean and clear of debris.
> > It's not a huge job, but you want to make sure there isn't anything
still
> in
> > the cylinder to cause damage and that the cylinder is in good shape.
See
> if
> > he will let you watch (better yet, help) him do the job. It isn't a job
> you
> > want to do yourself (at least not the first time). When you put the
plugs
> > back, get a tube of anti-seize and have him show you how to put it on
the
> > threads. It's IMPORTANT you NOT get in near the tip! It will really
> screw
> > up the ignition. If you put it on the threads right, you will never
need
> to
> > replace the inserts again.
> > Hank J
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> > To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stevee needs A-65 help
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
> > >
> > > Changing spark plugs and ignition harness to Shielded.
> > >
> > > All the plugs were tight, but two of the bottom plugs were very, very
> > > tight. I finally removed them, but when they came out they looked too
> > > big. Then I realized that I had torqued out a steel insert from the
> > > jug, shearing a locking pin in the process. I separated the insert
and
> > > plug at home using a vise and an impact wrench. My question is NOW
> > > WHAT!? I hope I'm not in the unenviable position of having to
rebuild
> > > two cylinders.... Does anyone know what material the lock pin is for
> > > the insert? Any suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Steve E.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Going to Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
Rick,
Thursday night is fine, there is always a few of us
diehards there. Heck, there is probably a couple guys there right
now.
Skip, leaving Atlanta for Brodhead REAL early
Wednesday morning.
-- Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Schreiber schreib@netnitco.net
I was wondering if anyone shows up Thursday night. If the weather
looks good Thursday, I would probably come in then if anyone will be
around.
Rick Schreiber
N5936D
Porter Co. IN
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| Subject: | A-65 magneto questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly@earthlink.net>
Group:
I need to decide what mags to use. I have borrowed a set of Scintillas but they
aren't firing.
I've pulled this prop till I'm about dead - not even a pop.
Is there a supplier of re-built mags out there or do I have to bite the bullet
and pay 1200 bucks for new ones.
I'm down to just the mags to make this thing run.
Thanks;
Bert (who's wishing he'd spent the last 8 years working on his golf swing instead)
http://bconoly.tripod.com/
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 magneto questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Bert,
What are the model numbers of the bendix mags you have. I might be able to
suggest a remedy
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Won't make it! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 7/21/03 12:52:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
dilatush@amigo.net writes:
<< I was looking foward to meeting with all of you at Brodhead this year, but
will be unable to do so because of recent events. >>
John,
sorry to hear you're not going to make it. I was hoping to meet up in Kansas
someplace, and fly there in formation with you !!
Chuck
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Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft <corvaircraft@mylist.net>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Anyone near Dayton might want to check this out
http://www.daytonartinstitute.org/info/general.html
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" <gmcneel@mykitplane.com>
Below is a link to the tool I bought. It works great. $25 online at Ebay,
brand new. I just can't find it online again. Sorry.
Campbell p/n is 7679037.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=134
-Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
catdesign@intergate.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress Tool
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Not to discourage all this fish chit chat but is anyone working on their
Piet
anymore? Or is it to hot. Out here it's going to be 106 and the
humidity will be high, about 40%, yes that's high for us this time of year.
I
was out in the garage last night and the thermometer said it was 90 degrees
in
the garage at ten o'clock at night.
A few weeks ago, before my computer died and my work started blocking access
to Juno's web page (but as we Piet builders are so adept at finding
solutions
to
problems, I found a new way access this list from work so shhh don't talk to
loud), I asked the question about Nicopress tools. My search turned up a
Nicopress tool sold at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) for $70 dollars. It
works for cables 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" in diameter. I don't believe it works on
stainless steel nicopress sleeves. It is made in Japan (I think) for Feeney
Wire Rope located here in California and sold by OSH. The Locolock hand
swagger
(also around 70 bucks) in Aircraft Spruce catalog does no go up to 1/8" so
it
will not work as the plans call for 1/8" cables to be used (I believe the
plans
call for 3/32 and 1/8th inch cables).
If anyone has purchased one of these and want's to talks me out of it my
ears
are open. If not I think I will buy one and see how it works.
I also read that you are supposed to pull test all you cables assemblies
prior
to use. How do I do this?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Authentic lettering style |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
If it helps, I've just added a lettering guide
template from a 1940's maintenance textbook.
I've seen this style on earlier planes from the
30's in books and magazines. Sometimes with
thinner sections.
Go to www.mykitplane.com
then Picture Gallery
then Clif Dawson,
then Pietenpol
then to the very last picture.
By covering up various bits of this template
you get all the letters and numbers.
Enlarge it to any size you need.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Cardinal"
<gcardinal@startribune.com>
>
> Gene Rambo, or others who have been involved with authentic restorations
> -
>
> Is their a correct style of lettering for airplanes of the Pietenpol
> vintage?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary McNeel" <gmcneel@mykitplane.com>
I also found this online. It is nearly identical to how I did my cables. The
cold chisel shears right through, no problem or crush.
-Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress (tm)
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Whew. I'm glad somebody else asked the question about the inexpensive
nicopress squeezer because I've been afraid of getting flamed about using
it. Of course, both the "real" tool and the "cheap" tool are offered in the
builder supply catalogs, but nobody seems to use the cheap one. The one I
have is borrowed from a KR builder who used it successfully in the rebuild
of his KR. I have a bunch of 3/32 cable and copper sleeves to crimp on my
M-19 "Flying Squirrel" and was planning to use the cheap tool. I used it
with some hardware-store cable and aluminum crimps (to brace a sagging door)
and they looked fine, but not at all like the 3-press variety. With the
cheap tool, you get one fat crimp and that's it.
I agree with Walt that it's far easier to control your crimp using the cheap
squeezer. You have complete control over the tension, the placement, and
everything else before you squeeze it. I was just worried that some Tech
Counselor or wise-a** would tell me I was going to crash and die for using
single-crimp nicos instead of "real" 3-crimp ones.
However... consider a strength comparison between 1/8" aircraft cable with
single-crimp nicos vs. building it to plans, with 12 ga. hard wire braces
with wire-wound ferrules... no contest.
Oh, and for you last few patient folks still wondering where your brass data
plates are, I'm sending out Bruce Johnston's, John Myers', and Cecil
Stokesberry's. And although I can't seem to find a record of getting
payment, I'm going ahead and sending plates out to Kip Gardner, John
Ficklen, and Doyle Combs because I know my record keeping ain't great
anyway. And wishing I were going to Brodhead so I could maybe sell a few
more of these data plates or (better yet) trade 'em for free rides. Next
year for sure!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
This thing looks even better in person.
Thanks Oscar.
Clif
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