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1. 05:33 AM - Re: Mode C (Dean Dayton)
2. 07:57 AM - C-65 Mags (Craig Lawler)
3. 07:57 AM - C-65 Mags (Craig Lawler)
4. 09:58 AM - Kollsman Instrument Manual (Jim Vydra)
5. 10:31 AM - why the Mode C? (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 11:27 AM - Re: why the Mode C? (Stefan Vorkoetter)
7. 11:34 AM - Re: Kollsman Instrument Manual / Brodhead (John Ford)
8. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Mode C (Barry Davis)
9. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Mode C (DJ Vegh)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Mode C (Barry Davis)
11. 02:17 PM - Re: why the Mode C? (Gary Gower)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dean Dayton" <deandayton@hotmail.com>
Their used to be a flying club at Palo Alto (maybe still is) that flew a no
electric Cub with a handheld radio. It was a lot of fun to fly, but it
certainly did limit where you could go in that area.
Dean Dayton
>
>Time: 09:21:17 AM PST US
>From: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
>Christian Bobka wrote:
> > Why the mode C?
>
>Unfortunately, the two nearby airports (San Carlos and Palo Alto) are
>both within San Francisco International's mode C veil. I'm not too
>worried about installing mode C, though one of the things I'm pondering
>as I decide whether or not to build a Piet is that I'd be flying it out
>of some crowded, tower controlled airports with concrete runways and
>fairly complex airspace -- not exactly a Piet's native environment. So,
>it'd probably need to pick up some extra equipment, which starts to
>detract from its simplicity. On the other hand, I really like the fact
>that it has a nice, slow cruise speed, which would give me plenty of
>time to figure out which way I need to go next so I don't fly through
>the wrong airspace on my way out to the wide open places.
>
>- Jeff C.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
I just did the Matituck exchange for Slicks. New Mags, new wires
eliminates later hassles. I think it was about 650 with the rebate. We
have about 400hrs on the plane and I haven't touched them other than to
check the timing and that hasn't changed.
Craig
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
I just did the Matituck exchange for Slicks. New Mags, new wires
eliminates later hassles. I think it was about 650 with the rebate. We
have about 400hrs on the plane and I haven't touched them other than to
check the timing and that hasn't changed.
Craig
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| Subject: | Kollsman Instrument Manual |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
I found a (seemingly) complete Kollsman Instrument Manual in my father in law's
legacy. Not sure what to do with it. Sell it to one of you piet guys. Keep
it and offer copies for sale when an individual needs one. Sell it on ebay.
I am sure John Grega would like you guys to benefit in some way. It has...Accelerometer
type 312-01...Air Speed Indicator type 386SD-0109....657K-0126....
Altimeter type 642K-05....177BSD-003...206-033......177B-033.....528-01.....528-03.....127-056......127SD-056.....Tachometer
Generator type 377G-01........397G-01......548G-02......Centrifugal
Tachometer type 170-01.....Magnetic Tachometer
type 257B-01....Electric Tachometer type 377-01.....378SD-01. Maintenance,
calibration and parts lists. Appears to be WWII instruments...but i know
you guys make do.
I am open to offers,
Jim Vydra
Springfield, MO
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Jeff wrote-
>I'd be flying it out of some crowded, tower controlled airports with
>concrete runways and fairly complex airspace -- not exactly a Piet's
>native environment.
"Roger, experimental eight-niner-niner Juliet Charlie... cleared for taxi to
runway three-two, no delay... Gulfstream II, you're number two to follow the
experimental on three-two but go have a cup of coffee prior to taxi since he
might be a while."
Hey, these people are our servants, the airports are public use and paid for
with our tax dollars, and the FAA's stated mission is to support and improve
our lot in life. We have just as much right to use the airspace and
airports as the heavies do, right? Right! Just watch out for the business
of operating an experimental over densely populated areas and all that [FAR
91.319(c)].
Reality check: I've flown a C-150 and Tomahawk out of airports as big as San
Antonio Int'l. and most of my flying here in south Texas has been in active
and busy MOAs and alert areas. While we do have a right to do so, it ain't
fun sometimes. I've been on final to big airport runways in a little
airplane, "no delay" being an often-mentioned instruction from ATC, with
following traffic being a heavy or with King Airs sitting fuming at the hold
line waiting for me to clear the active. It just takes the joy out of
operations. But if ya gotta, ya gotta-! Obviously, if you're thinking of
building a low and slow fun flyer and not an RV rattle can or something
similar, anything you decide to build will have similar limitations.
And like you said, you can sure violate a lot more restricted airspace in a
bigger hurry at 170 MPH than you can at 70...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: why the Mode C? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter <stefan@capable.ca>
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Jeff wrote-
>
>
>>I'd be flying it out of some crowded, tower controlled airports with
>>concrete runways and fairly complex airspace -- not exactly a Piet's
>>native environment.
You can probably save a lot of time in a Piet by just landing on the
high-speed turn-off.
:-)
Stefan
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kollsman Instrument Manual / Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I don't know if you guys already do something like this or not, but I
hope to find out this weekend. I'm wondering what sort of "official"
Pietenpol/GN-1 information and/or documentation repository Brodhead has.
Does anybody up there maintain any sort of doc library? Does anybody
want to? I know the EAA is an excellent resource, but it would be nice
to have a dedicated type-specific Pietenpol *shrine* of some sort that
we could all draw from for inspiration and information..
I plan to drive up Saturday morning, camp, learn a bunch, take gobs of
pictures and hopefully scam a few rides...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> jvydra@sbcglobal.net Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:58:00 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
I found a (seemingly) complete Kollsman Instrument Manual in my father
in law's legacy. Not sure what to do with it. Sell it to one of you
piet guys. Keep it and offer copies for sale when an individual needs
one. Sell it on ebay. I am sure John Grega would like you guys to
benefit in some way. It has...Accelerometer type 312-01...Air Speed
Indicator type 386SD-0109....657K-0126.... Altimeter type
642K-05....177BSD-003...206-033......177B-033.....528-01.....528-03.....127-056......127SD-056.....Tachometer
Generator type 377G-01........397G-01......548G-02......Centrifugal
Tachometer type 170-01.....Magnetic Tachometer type 257B-01....Electric
Tachometer type 377-01.....378SD-01. Maintenance, calibration and parts
lists. Appears to be WWII instruments...but i know you guys make do.
I am open to offers,
Jim Vydra
Springfield, MO
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
I live inside the Mode C ring at Atlanta. We fly non radio aircraft all the
time with no problems. If the aircraft is manufactured with no electrical
system, then Mode C is not required. We have (with special permission) flown
the L-2 Taylorcraft into Hartsfield and landed. Several of no-radio craft
flew in, but had to follow a 150 with a radio. One of those darn Cub drivers
did a loop on final, but thats another story.
Oops, back to the subject. Our FISDO has helped us with the rules on our
Piets. If the engine needs a battery and generator to run, it is still
considered a non-electrical aircraft and no Mode-C required. Example:
Corvair with a starter, battery, alternator, battery ignition system, not
magneto. But the first time you run a little tiny wire over to the handheld
radio or GPS, you had better also run the wire to a transponder, because
then it is required.
Check with your local FAA, because they can "translate" the rules in many
different ways.
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Dayton" <deandayton@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mode C
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dean Dayton"
<deandayton@hotmail.com>
>
> Their used to be a flying club at Palo Alto (maybe still is) that flew a
no
> electric Cub with a handheld radio. It was a lot of fun to fly, but it
> certainly did limit where you could go in that area.
>
> Dean Dayton
> >
> >Time: 09:21:17 AM PST US
> >From: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
> >
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> >
> >Christian Bobka wrote:
> > > Why the mode C?
> >
> >Unfortunately, the two nearby airports (San Carlos and Palo Alto) are
> >both within San Francisco International's mode C veil. I'm not too
> >worried about installing mode C, though one of the things I'm pondering
> >as I decide whether or not to build a Piet is that I'd be flying it out
> >of some crowded, tower controlled airports with concrete runways and
> >fairly complex airspace -- not exactly a Piet's native environment. So,
> >it'd probably need to pick up some extra equipment, which starts to
> >detract from its simplicity. On the other hand, I really like the fact
> >that it has a nice, slow cruise speed, which would give me plenty of
> >time to figure out which way I need to go next so I don't fly through
> >the wrong airspace on my way out to the wide open places.
> >
> >- Jeff C.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
there's also the "other" way to get around it....
Run battery and power your comm radio with it but keep the battery charged via
a wind driven generator.... The FAR states that an airplane with an engine driven
electrical system needs a Mode C Xponder.... wind driven is exempt. I
have even talked with a couple DAR's on this recently and they agree that it
is perfectly legal.
This is how I plan on doing my Corvair powered GN-1 which will be based within
Phoenix 30nm class B
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mode C
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
I live inside the Mode C ring at Atlanta. We fly non radio aircraft all the
time with no problems. If the aircraft is manufactured with no electrical
system, then Mode C is not required. We have (with special permission) flown
the L-2 Taylorcraft into Hartsfield and landed. Several of no-radio craft
flew in, but had to follow a 150 with a radio. One of those darn Cub drivers
did a loop on final, but thats another story.
Oops, back to the subject. Our FISDO has helped us with the rules on our
Piets. If the engine needs a battery and generator to run, it is still
considered a non-electrical aircraft and no Mode-C required. Example:
Corvair with a starter, battery, alternator, battery ignition system, not
magneto. But the first time you run a little tiny wire over to the handheld
radio or GPS, you had better also run the wire to a transponder, because
then it is required.
Check with your local FAA, because they can "translate" the rules in many
different ways.
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Dayton" <deandayton@hotmail.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mode C
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dean Dayton"
<deandayton@hotmail.com>
>
> Their used to be a flying club at Palo Alto (maybe still is) that flew a
no
> electric Cub with a handheld radio. It was a lot of fun to fly, but it
> certainly did limit where you could go in that area.
>
> Dean Dayton
> >
> >Time: 09:21:17 AM PST US
> >From: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo go?
> >
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> >
> >Christian Bobka wrote:
> > > Why the mode C?
> >
> >Unfortunately, the two nearby airports (San Carlos and Palo Alto) are
> >both within San Francisco International's mode C veil. I'm not too
> >worried about installing mode C, though one of the things I'm pondering
> >as I decide whether or not to build a Piet is that I'd be flying it out
> >of some crowded, tower controlled airports with concrete runways and
> >fairly complex airspace -- not exactly a Piet's native environment. So,
> >it'd probably need to pick up some extra equipment, which starts to
> >detract from its simplicity. On the other hand, I really like the fact
> >that it has a nice, slow cruise speed, which would give me plenty of
> >time to figure out which way I need to go next so I don't fly through
> >the wrong airspace on my way out to the wide open places.
> >
> >- Jeff C.
> >
> >
>
>
=
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
DJ
Thanks for your info, we plan to recheck with our FISDO before we add the
generators. We are using information given to us from an examiner about a
year and a half ago.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mode C
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
>
> there's also the "other" way to get around it....
>
> Run battery and power your comm radio with it but keep the battery charged
via a wind driven generator.... The FAR states that an airplane with an
engine driven electrical system needs a Mode C Xponder.... wind driven is
exempt. I have even talked with a couple DAR's on this recently and they
agree that it is perfectly legal.
>
> This is how I plan on doing my Corvair powered GN-1 which will be based
within Phoenix 30nm class B
>
> DJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry Davis
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mode C
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
>
> I live inside the Mode C ring at Atlanta. We fly non radio aircraft all
the
> time with no problems. If the aircraft is manufactured with no
electrical
> system, then Mode C is not required. We have (with special permission)
flown
> the L-2 Taylorcraft into Hartsfield and landed. Several of no-radio
craft
> flew in, but had to follow a 150 with a radio. One of those darn Cub
drivers
> did a loop on final, but thats another story.
> Oops, back to the subject. Our FISDO has helped us with the rules on our
> Piets. If the engine needs a battery and generator to run, it is still
> considered a non-electrical aircraft and no Mode-C required. Example:
> Corvair with a starter, battery, alternator, battery ignition system,
not
> magneto. But the first time you run a little tiny wire over to the
handheld
> radio or GPS, you had better also run the wire to a transponder, because
> then it is required.
> Check with your local FAA, because they can "translate" the rules in
many
> different ways.
> Barry Davis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Dayton" <deandayton@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mode C
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dean Dayton"
> <deandayton@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Their used to be a flying club at Palo Alto (maybe still is) that flew
a
> no
> > electric Cub with a handheld radio. It was a lot of fun to fly, but it
> > certainly did limit where you could go in that area.
> >
> > Dean Dayton
> > >
> > >Time: 09:21:17 AM PST US
> > >From: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: introduction and -- where's the cargo
go?
> > >
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours
<piet-j@moriarti.org>
> > >
> > >Christian Bobka wrote:
> > > > Why the mode C?
> > >
> > >Unfortunately, the two nearby airports (San Carlos and Palo Alto) are
> > >both within San Francisco International's mode C veil. I'm not too
> > >worried about installing mode C, though one of the things I'm
pondering
> > >as I decide whether or not to build a Piet is that I'd be flying it
out
> > >of some crowded, tower controlled airports with concrete runways and
> > >fairly complex airspace -- not exactly a Piet's native environment.
So,
> > >it'd probably need to pick up some extra equipment, which starts to
> > >detract from its simplicity. On the other hand, I really like the
fact
> > >that it has a nice, slow cruise speed, which would give me plenty of
> > >time to figure out which way I need to go next so I don't fly through
> > >the wrong airspace on my way out to the wide open places.
> > >
> > >- Jeff C.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: why the Mode C? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
In fact, a friend here has a Stintson he uses for bush flying, the
plane has a 260 HP engine (instead of the original 150 hp Franklin).
When he is asked to expedite (sp?,local word to leave the main strip as
soon as possible, airplanes behind) in the Guadlajara International
Airport, he aplies full power in the intersection of the main strip,
before he reaches the middle of the strip he is already airborne, so he
just skims turning a little to align with the strip just building speed
and expedites near the other side of the strip... he keeps an eye in
the airspeed always when flying to prevent VNE.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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--- Stefan Vorkoetter <stefan@capable.ca> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter
> <stefan@capable.ca>
>
> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Jeff wrote-
> >
> >
> >>I'd be flying it out of some crowded, tower controlled airports
> with
> >>concrete runways and fairly complex airspace -- not exactly a
> Piet's
> >>native environment.
>
> You can probably save a lot of time in a Piet by just landing on the
> high-speed turn-off.
>
> :-)
>
> Stefan
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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