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1. 05:56 AM - Re: Canadian Advanced Ultralight (John McNarry)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: thumbs up or down?? (Alex Sloan)
3. 08:18 AM - Brodhead impressions from a newbie (baileys)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie (Alex Sloan)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie (John Ford)
6. 11:28 AM - Re: Pacific Scientific T5 cable tensiometer (Carbarvo@aol.com)
7. 11:30 AM - Re: Pacific Scientific T5 cable tensiometer (Carbarvo@aol.com)
8. 11:37 AM - Re: Decision (Carbarvo@aol.com)
9. 01:00 PM - First Flight (Seibert Bob-r18643)
10. 03:35 PM - Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie (Kip & Beth Gardner)
11. 05:15 PM - Re CAble Tensiometer (Michael Green)
12. 06:26 PM - Re: Re CAble Tensiometer (javier cruz)
13. 06:34 PM - Re: First Flight (javier cruz)
14. 07:15 PM - Re: thumbs up or down?? (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
15. 07:33 PM - Re: thumbs up or down?? (baileys)
16. 09:53 PM - Re: Pacific Scientific T5 cable tensiometer (clif)
17. 11:39 PM - Re: Canadian Advanced Ultralight (clif)
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| Subject: | Canadian Advanced Ultralight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Stefan
Try the Recreational Aircraft Association www.raa.ca on the net I have
heard that the Piet will fit into the advanced UL category but it also
seems to me that advanced UL prevents owner maintenance. Better check it
out.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stefan
Vorkoetter
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Canadian Advanced Ultralight
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter
<stefan@capable.ca>
Does anyone know if a Piet qualifies as an Advanced Ultralight (AUL) in
Canada (similar in spirit to the proposed Sport Pilot category in the
US,
only we've already had it for years).
If so, does anyone know if the inspection requirements (and costs) for a
homebuilt AUL are any different than those of a homebuilt "airplane".
Stefan Vorkoetter
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| Subject: | Re: thumbs up or down?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Gene,
Thumbs up if you can use the back door.
How many Pietenpols were at Brodhead?
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: thumbs up or down??
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
>
> We've got a spider who has been building a web on the front door of our
> house for about a week and a half now. It's not just tied to the front
> door, it is built around the front door handle as if he is trying to make
it
> unusable.
>
> I don't know that I have the guts to kill him, ya know, anybody with that
> level of optimism and tenacity . . . like he is really going to entrap two
> adult humans. Kind of reminds you of a Piet builder, don't it?
>
> What do you guys think, thumbs up or down?????
>
>
> Gene
> (really tired and relaxed after Brodhead)
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Brodhead impressions from a newbie |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Hello everyone,
I just recently joined the group and this is my first posting.
This my third trip to Brodhead. The last was over 5 years ago. (I kind of
dropped out of flying after the engine was stolen out of my Piper, but that
is another story)
Anyway, I have been smitten by the Piet for years and now that I'm retired
plan to do something about it.
There were two Corvair powered Piets, one of them being the "Last Orginial"
NX899H. The other one had "Brown Aero" on the fuselage. I did not get to
talk with either owner, there were so many people asking questions.
While at Brodhead I purchased William Wynn's book, "Corvair Flight Engines
for use in Experimental Aircraft",
Three Tee shirts, two cast aluminum rocker covers and a Corvair engine.
The Hoopman family donated Orrins personal collection of Pietenpol
Newsletters, Sport Avaitions and newsletters from the Internation Pietenpol
Association to anyone that wanted them. They were on a table and while I
would like to have taken them all, I only took three. One nice thing is
that they were addressed to Orrin Hoopman. I get a copy BAP issue 31 - 1st
quarter 1991 which featured an article by B.H. Pietenpol about the Corvair
engine conversion. There are no pictures included but if anyone would like
a copy please send me an off list e-mail with their snail mail address. As
long as the volume is not too high they are free if it gets to be too much
I'll ask a for a buck. You will still need to get the instructions from Don
Pietenpol but the article is interesting anyway.
Mike Cuy's Piet was there and it is truly a beautiful aircraft. Mike Cuy
and Lowell Frank were the only two Piet owners that I was able to speak with
and both were very courteous and gave thoughtful answers.
I took about 200 hundred pictures mostly of Piets but some of the antique
aircraft at the show. After I get them oganized I will post them on my web
site. Many pictures show details like landing gear closeups, model "A"
engines, Corvair engines, instrument panels and so fourth and probably won't
be of much interest to anyone except builders. I did get several different
cockpit door pictures from two different Corbins and the Heath Parsol from
the inside showing construction details. I'm going to have to put a door in
the front cockpit because wife has arthritus in her knees and won't be able
to get in otherwise.
William Wynn's seminar on the Corvair conversion was very interesting, as
was Larry Hudson's converted Corvair engine which was displayed in the
pavilion for several hours while Larry patiently answered questions. Again
it was too crowed to get an overall picture, but I did get a few showing
some details, prop hub, starter etc.
My advice to anyone going to Brodhead that must drive through Beloit is be
well prepared ahead of time. I got directions from Yahoo which were wrong,
I stopped and got directions at a store which were wrong also. Finally I
bought a map and the clerk at that store gave me perfect directions. I
didn't need the map but got it anyway out of gratitude. I arrived at the
airport after dark, too late to try and put up my tent so spent the first
night in my car. After while, pain becomes somewhat of a sedative and I did
get some sleep. In the morning two very nice gentleman from the UK helped
me put up my tent. Actually, I think they took pity on me. Anyway, never
put up a tent for the first time in public, practice doing it somewhere
private until you know what to do. All in all everyone was very polite I
had a great time, met some truly nice people, learned a lot and am ready to
come back next year. One thing I heard someone say is that they flew over
Oshkosh, threw out their billfold then and came on to Brodhead.
Regards,
Bob Bailey
P.S. Sorry this got to be so long, sometimes I get carried away. I hope no
one minds and I promise to keep the stupid questions to a minimum. I plan
to do the engine conversion and make all the metal parts first.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Bob B.
Thanks for the newsy info about Brodhead. I was unable to go this year but
reading your letter gives me the feeling of having been there.
I am looking forward to seeing your pictures. Post the web site for them
when you get them ready for viewing.
I have a Corvair about ready to run and have the long fuselage glued up.
Retirement jobs keeps me from doing as much as I would like.
Thanks.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead impressions from a newbie
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
>
> Hello everyone,
> I just recently joined the group and this is my first posting.
>
> This my third trip to Brodhead. The last was over 5 years ago. (I kind
of
> dropped out of flying after the engine was stolen out of my Piper, but
that
> is another story)
> Anyway, I have been smitten by the Piet for years and now that I'm retired
> plan to do something about it.
>
> There were two Corvair powered Piets, one of them being the "Last
Orginial"
> NX899H. The other one had "Brown Aero" on the fuselage. I did not get to
> talk with either owner, there were so many people asking questions.
>
> While at Brodhead I purchased William Wynn's book, "Corvair Flight Engines
> for use in Experimental Aircraft",
> Three Tee shirts, two cast aluminum rocker covers and a Corvair engine.
>
> The Hoopman family donated Orrins personal collection of Pietenpol
> Newsletters, Sport Avaitions and newsletters from the Internation
Pietenpol
> Association to anyone that wanted them. They were on a table and while I
> would like to have taken them all, I only took three. One nice thing is
> that they were addressed to Orrin Hoopman. I get a copy BAP issue 31 -
1st
> quarter 1991 which featured an article by B.H. Pietenpol about the Corvair
> engine conversion. There are no pictures included but if anyone would
like
> a copy please send me an off list e-mail with their snail mail address.
As
> long as the volume is not too high they are free if it gets to be too much
> I'll ask a for a buck. You will still need to get the instructions from
Don
> Pietenpol but the article is interesting anyway.
>
> Mike Cuy's Piet was there and it is truly a beautiful aircraft. Mike Cuy
> and Lowell Frank were the only two Piet owners that I was able to speak
with
> and both were very courteous and gave thoughtful answers.
>
> I took about 200 hundred pictures mostly of Piets but some of the antique
> aircraft at the show. After I get them oganized I will post them on my
web
> site. Many pictures show details like landing gear closeups, model "A"
> engines, Corvair engines, instrument panels and so fourth and probably
won't
> be of much interest to anyone except builders. I did get several
different
> cockpit door pictures from two different Corbins and the Heath Parsol from
> the inside showing construction details. I'm going to have to put a door
in
> the front cockpit because wife has arthritus in her knees and won't be
able
> to get in otherwise.
>
> William Wynn's seminar on the Corvair conversion was very interesting, as
> was Larry Hudson's converted Corvair engine which was displayed in the
> pavilion for several hours while Larry patiently answered questions.
Again
> it was too crowed to get an overall picture, but I did get a few showing
> some details, prop hub, starter etc.
>
> My advice to anyone going to Brodhead that must drive through Beloit is be
> well prepared ahead of time. I got directions from Yahoo which were
wrong,
> I stopped and got directions at a store which were wrong also. Finally I
> bought a map and the clerk at that store gave me perfect directions. I
> didn't need the map but got it anyway out of gratitude. I arrived at the
> airport after dark, too late to try and put up my tent so spent the first
> night in my car. After while, pain becomes somewhat of a sedative and I
did
> get some sleep. In the morning two very nice gentleman from the UK helped
> me put up my tent. Actually, I think they took pity on me. Anyway, never
> put up a tent for the first time in public, practice doing it somewhere
> private until you know what to do. All in all everyone was very polite I
> had a great time, met some truly nice people, learned a lot and am ready
to
> come back next year. One thing I heard someone say is that they flew over
> Oshkosh, threw out their billfold then and came on to Brodhead.
> Regards,
> Bob Bailey
> P.S. Sorry this got to be so long, sometimes I get carried away. I hope
no
> one minds and I promise to keep the stupid questions to a minimum. I plan
> to do the engine conversion and make all the metal parts first.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
We used a gps and watched for traffic as we got within a mile or two.
Worked great.
do not archive
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> baileys@ktis.net Monday, July 28, 2003 10:18:14 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
>>>
My advice to anyone going to Brodhead that must drive through Beloit is
be
well prepared ahead of time. I got directions from Yahoo which were
wrong,
I stopped and got directions at a store which were wrong also. Finally
I
bought a map and the clerk at that store gave me perfect directions.
I
didn't need the map but got it anyway out of gratitude. I arrived at
the
airport after dark, too late to try and put up my tent so spent the
first>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Pacific Scientific T5 cable tensiometer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
Thanks for your comments, Corky. That's about what I've done too. The
tensions may not be right, but they're close to even...Carl
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| Subject: | Re: Pacific Scientific T5 cable tensiometer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
My "fergetter" works great. It's my "rememberer" that doesn't work so
hot....Carl
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
When I was a kid I had one for my car (a Model A). 'Very dangerous...used it
(once) on the highway...Stopped traffic for a while until the smoke
cleared...Carl V.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643 <Bob.Seibert@motorola.com>
On Saturday 26 July 2003 Pietenpol N23TX finally took to the sky.
This thing is so different from an RV it's almost shocking!
First flight was about 15 minutes - It flew OK I guess but was out of rig so I
didn't try any slow flight/stalls.
Lesson learned ...shrinking the ceconite really can twist those flying surfaces!
Shortened the right rear strut .4 inches and raised the HS leading edges by adjusting
the brace wires.
Yesterday, with the re-rigging complete it went back up and we had a ball just
buzzing around all over the Taylor Texas skies!
Luke Skiles flew chase for me with his Heath Parasol so I have a witness that this
Piet actually does 90+ mph. (It sure doesn't like it though - feels like it
needs boosted controls at that speed!)
Stalls are sub 40 only I was too nervous to try to watch gauges too closely.
At 1750 rpm and 70-75 indicated it's just a joy to fly around in!
It's about like looking out of a helicopter only much neater sounding!
I just flew around until the sinking gas gage said it was time to go back to Macho
Grande Field.
Despite my ham-handed techniques, it lands very nicely. (3 landings now and only
went off in the weeds once)
Another lesson learned... Don't wear your good baseball cap in an open cockpit
plane! My favorite one is going to wind up in some cow's hay bale lunch!
Just ordered a cloth helmet and goggles today. My hair hurts :-)!!!
Everybody just keep sawing and gluing. It is really worth the effort to fly such
a unique airplane!
Brodhead next year????
Regards,
Bob Seibert
NX23TX
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 11:51 AM -0400 07/28/03, Alex Sloan wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
>
>Bob B.
>Thanks for the newsy info about Brodhead. I was unable to go this year but
>reading your letter gives me the feeling of having been there.
>I am looking forward to seeing your pictures. Post the web site for them
>when you get them ready for viewing.
>I have a Corvair about ready to run and have the long fuselage glued up.
>Retirement jobs keeps me from doing as much as I would like.
>Thanks.
>Alex Sloan
Bob B.
Nice to see you on the list. I enjoyed meeting you at Brodhead and talking
about various things. I'll send along the metal fuselage info I promised as
soon as I get a chance to dig it out.
BTW, I want to publicly give Gene Rambo a huge 'Thank You' for stopping off
in OH and giving me a lift to Brodhead in his Aztec - truly the 'heavy
metal' at Brodhead this year:). I can't thank Gene enough, because without
the ride, I would not have beeen able to be there this year.
Also, a big thanks to Ken Perkins (& his unknown pilot) for hopping rides
in his beautiful orange Piet - my first ride in an 'A' powered one.
I also enjoyed meeting all of you on this list who previously were only
names on the screen.
Hope to see you all again next year!
Kip Gardner
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re CAble Tensiometer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Green <mmml@bigpond.com>
DJ,
I,m in Australia, so I can't tell you where to get the tensiometer calibrated,
but I'm sure an A&P at your local airport would be able to point you in the right
direction. They would also be able to tell you where to get the risers. I'm
your equivilent of your A&P here in Australia and the calibration company provides
us with lost risers.
# 1 riser = 1/16", # 2 riser =3/32" and 1/8", # 2C = 5/32" and 3/16".
Mike Green
Victoria,
Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Re CAble Tensiometer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com>
Hi friends
About the cables tension, remember that the Piet have
a little problem with the geometry on the first stage
for elevators, if you adjust the tension on the
neutral position, when you move the control, the
adjust is lose, i don't install the ailerons cables
yet, but it seems to be right.
If someone have the correct geometry please advice to
the group..
Saludos de Mexico
Javier Cruz
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com>
congrats Bob
It's very good to ear that other Piet is on the sky,
do you have any pictures or web?
Javier Cruz
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: thumbs up or down?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com
In a message dated 7/27/2003 9:17:49 PM Central Standard Time,
wbeevans@verizon.net writes:
> I say use the back door for awhile.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> we all have a reason on this earth
>
>
I'll throw in with Walt. When you're still feeling the Brodhead rush why
spoil it ? Give him (or her) a break. Maybe another day or two! Don
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| Subject: | Re: thumbs up or down?? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Why not just relocate Mr./Ms. Spider to a more suitable place?
It may starve where it is anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: thumbs up or down??
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
>
> We've got a spider who has been building a web on the front door of our
> house for about a week and a half now. It's not just tied to the front
> door, it is built around the front door handle as if he is trying to make
it
> unusable.
>
> I don't know that I have the guts to kill him, ya know, anybody with that
> level of optimism and tenacity . . . like he is really going to entrap two
> adult humans. Kind of reminds you of a Piet builder, don't it?
>
> What do you guys think, thumbs up or down?????
>
>
> Gene
> (really tired and relaxed after Brodhead)
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pacific Scientific T5 cable tensiometer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
You could simply hold them together with fingers
at cross. Twang both at the same time and adjust
until Wa-Wa sound stops and you have a continuous
clean note.
Get an old guitar player to show you if you're not
sure. The new guys all use those electronic tuners
and might not know the old way. Sort of like learning
navigation with a GPS without learning dead reckoning
and map reading.
Use the "hold one away" trick when equalizing the
front left and front right and do the same thing.
The farther apart the tension, the faster the wa-wa.
As you get closer they lengthen out, waaa-waaa,
waaaaa-waaaaa, etc until the notes are the same.
This assumes that the vibrating mass is the same
for both " strings"which is not really possible but
certainly close enough for our purposes.
Clif
PS, Know any guitar,fiddle,banjo players that
might trade a ride for twanging? I'd bet they'd
get a kick out of " tuning " an airplane!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Waytogopiet@aol.com>
> Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
>
> > Just pull the other cable out of the way so the cable will vibrate it's
> > full
> > amplitude.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canadian Advanced Ultralight |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Hi Stefan,
As an RAA member I just posted a message
on the RAA list asking for info.
I wouldn't hold out much hope though. All I've
seen so far is for full kits and completed
aircraft that have been inspected at the company
level for compliance with the rules. No owner
made changes allowed at all. If the plane is
squirrely on floats or with an enclosed cabin
you cannot add fins or plates to the tail without
certification from the factory which has to have the
mod passed by the powers that be.
Ditto engines.
If it's either the cost of personal licencing or
medical concerns, you could go to the
recreational pilot permit. The only thing with
that is that you can't fly to the States( like maybe
Oshkosh or Broadhead ) as it's a permit, not a
licence.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Stefan Vorkoetter
> <stefan@capable.ca>
>
> Does anyone know if a Piet qualifies as an Advanced Ultralight (AUL) in
> Canada (similar in spirit to the proposed Sport Pilot category in the
> US,
> Stefan Vorkoetter
>
>
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