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1. 01:16 AM - Piets at Brodhead 2003 (Cinda Gadd)
2. 06:37 AM - EAA Manuals (Jim Vydra)
3. 12:06 PM - Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie (Carbarvo@aol.com)
4. 01:15 PM - Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie ()
5. 02:04 PM - Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie (Mike)
6. 07:51 PM - Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie (Dmott9@aol.com)
7. 08:53 PM - Brazing 4130 (Al Latham)
8. 09:25 PM - Another new guy (Al Latham)
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Subject: | Piets at Brodhead 2003 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
The Piet fly-in at Brodhead was really great this
year. There were 16 Piets, 4 local and 12 that came cross country. There
were 9 Continental, 5 A-Model and 2 Corvairs.
Below is my unofficial list.
N-number
Pilot
Color
Power
X899LW
Larry Williams
Yellow/Red
A-Model
X799JK Jim
Kensella
Cream/Red
Continental
8497AR
Lowell Frank
Blue/Silver
A-Model
34KP
Ken Perkins
Orange/Cream A-Model
X71WR
Bill
Rewey
Silver/Yellow Continental
X770CG
Chuck Ganzer
Red/Silver
Continental
25101
J R
Reber
Red/Cream
Continental
X37979
Tom
Brown
Red/Clear Corvair
X12969
Gar Williams
Red/Cream
A-Model
X899H
Bill
Knight
Cream/Red
Corvair
X1138D
Dennis
Hall
Blue/Cream A-Model
X899FP
Frank Pavliga
Red/Cream
Continental
X48MC
Mike
Cuy
Blue/White
Continental
57TL
Tim
Mickle Red/Cream
Continental
58TL
Bill
Emo
Red/Cream
Continental
161DW Mehlin
Smith
Silver/Red
Continental
Larry Williams had some really neat new
wheels/breaks. Jim Kensella hopped a lot of rides. Yes, Lowell Frank removed the
Warner and reinstalled the A/B motor. Great to see Chuck Ganzer's Piet, he was
having a ball. The Bill Knight Corvair is the Last Original. Mike Cuy's Piet
still looks just like it just rolled off the showroom floor. If you left
Brodhead before Sunday noon you missed the twin Piets 57TL and 58TL, they had
some really nice detail and were EXACTLY alike, with 0200
Continentals.
Skip, Back in Atlanta
--- Skip Cinda Gadd
--- csfog@earthlink.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Vydra <jvydra@sbcglobal.net>
It is now 8:30 AM CDT. Less than 6 hours left to bid on EAA Manuals on ebay.
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
Can anyone cite chapter and verse about why there are recommendations against
brazing 4130? I'm not questioning the truth of it, I'm just trying to cure my
ignorance. This is the second time I've heard this. After the first time, I
went to the best professional welder I know and he couldn't provide any
background.
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
I have looked at all the libraries around here and never came up with anything
definitive as to why it has become unacceptable (to the FAA) to braze 4130.
The only thing I could find is a reference (and I am paraphrasing here what I
think I remember) saying the brazing material get into the crystalline
structure of the metal and causes the 4130 steel to crack upon cooling. I sure
wish I could find this article again. However, so far I have no luck in finding
it.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
Quoting "" <Carbarvo@aol.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
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> Can anyone cite chapter and verse about why there are recommendations against
>
> brazing 4130? I'm not questioning the truth of it, I'm just trying to cure my
>
> ignorance. This is the second time I've heard this. After the first time, I
> went to the best professional welder I know and he couldn't provide any
> background.
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
Considering how easy it is for the hobbyist to make a very high quality weld
in 4130 with an inexpensive oxy/acetylene set compared to the actual skill
level required to produce a high quality braze that won't be as strong and
has so many unknowns about internal corrosion, microscopic cracking, and
other gremlins, why do you even care?
If it's because "BHP did it that way," you might not want follow his lead
blindly in all things; he flew his first airplanes without seatbelts.
on 7/31/03 13:15, catdesign@intergate.com at catdesign@intergate.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
>
> I have looked at all the libraries around here and never came up with anything
> definitive as to why it has become unacceptable (to the FAA) to braze 4130.
> The only thing I could find is a reference (and I am paraphrasing here what I
> think I remember) saying the brazing material get into the crystalline
> structure of the metal and causes the 4130 steel to crack upon cooling. I
> sure
> wish I could find this article again. However, so far I have no luck in
> finding
> it.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
>
> Quoting "" <Carbarvo@aol.com>:
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
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>> Can anyone cite chapter and verse about why there are recommendations against
>>
>> brazing 4130? I'm not questioning the truth of it, I'm just trying to cure my
>>
>> ignorance. This is the second time I've heard this. After the first time, I
>> went to the best professional welder I know and he couldn't provide any
>> background.
>
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead impressions from a newbie |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dmott9@aol.com
In a message dated 7/31/03 3:06:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carbarvo@aol.com
writes:
> Can anyone cite chapter and verse about why there are recommendations
against
>
> brazing 4130? I'm not questioning the truth of it, I'm just trying to cure
> my
> ignorance. This is the second time I've heard this. After the first time,
I
> went to the best professional welder I know and he couldn't provide any
> background.
How about in here:
<A HREF="http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/43-13/">AC 43-13 Acceptable Methods,
Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Inspection and Repair
or: http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/43-13/
or: http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/300/pdf/
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
I can't find any info either, for the ones lucky enough to go to Oshkosh attend
one of Richard Finch's welding forums and ask
him, reading his bio I think the man can weld Play-Dough...
I've brazed the bird cage on a Piper J5 and I hate it, have no idea why anyone
would want to do it, but that is just me and I have
almost no experience with brazing. Seen others do it and they made it look like
a two year old could do it... I have seen a tubing
cluster that was in the Gee Bee Ascender that was brazed, it is really mangled
from a crash and there isn't a single crack. I
wonder if it was something that was more generally used in the days of 1025 tubing?
Al Latham
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
Hello Guys,
I joined the group last night and had the pleasure of attending my first Brodhead
Fly-in last weekend.
I can honestly say that we've not enjoyed a fly-in like we did Brodhead in many
years.
I still feel like I'm in a Twilight Zone movie, my wife who came with me mentioned
that she liked the
Corbin Junior Ace, this was odd as it doesn't have a radial or a rounded tail.
Then on the way home
she announced that she wanted to learn to fly. There has been Pietenpol plans laying
around the house
for many years and our friend Gene Rambo is currently building one. I see the Corbin
as a side by side
Piet so I've talked Colleen into a Piet (for now). I really want a Super Ace as
I can't see having a pair of
Piet's.
The Pietenpol or Super Ace projects will not start full force for a while yet as
I have several projects in
work at this time. I am as of this afternoon the proud???Papa of a pair of Model
A engines, another thing
that I'd of gotten work over pretty hard about...all she said was"when do we go
get them???"
Al Latham
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