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1. 09:18 AM - Re: newbie type question - flutter (Alex Sloan)
2. 09:19 AM - tail brace wire hardware (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
3. 09:42 AM - Re: newbie type question - flutter (dpilot)
4. 09:56 AM - Pietenpol For Sale On Ebay (Craig Williams)
5. 11:11 AM - Re: tail brace wire hardware ()
6. 11:12 AM - B&B supply ()
7. 11:44 AM - Re: B&B supply (TomTravis@aol.com)
8. 01:27 PM - Re: B&B supply ()
9. 01:32 PM - Re: B&B supply (TomTravis@aol.com)
10. 05:22 PM - Re: tail brace wire hardware (Carbarvo@aol.com)
11. 05:32 PM - Re: tail brace wire hardware (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
12. 05:35 PM - Re: sketch (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
13. 06:29 PM - Piet winner at Oshkosh (Cinda Gadd)
14. 07:03 PM - Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh (James Dallas)
15. 07:33 PM - Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh (Ken Anderson)
16. 07:36 PM - Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh (TomTravis@aol.com)
17. 08:03 PM - bad news (Christian Bobka)
18. 08:27 PM - Re: bad news (Al Latham)
19. 09:05 PM - Re: bad news (Christian Bobka)
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Subject: | Re: newbie type question - flutter |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Flutter-----
One of the aileronflaparons was completely ripped off of the Kit Fox and the
other broke loose at the outer hinge and was hanging on the inner hinge
banging against the fuselage. He said it happened in the twinkle of an eye.
He was very upset with who ever was responsible for the design as supposedly
there was a fix for this but it never got out to all the Kit Fox builders
and he was one who never got the information till after the fact.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net>
>
> Something had to be broken.
> The original question was about the lack of control balances on the Piet.
> There are none because, if the airplane is intact, and it is being flown
at
> the airspeeds it can attain on this planet, flutter is not a problem. If
> something breaks, such as a control hinge, or a piece of fabric rips, of
> course flutter can occur.
> I doubt very much that your fellow chapter member experienced divergent
> flutter at 80 mph in a Kit Fox that was at that moment fully airworthy.
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan"
<alexms1@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Fellow Piete builder and flyers,
> > We had a chapter member experience flutter at 80 MPH in his Kit Fox and
he
> > lost his flaparons (sp.) He safely landed the aircraft with only rudder
and
> > elevator and a passenger aboard. Just because we will not be able to
fly
> > fast does not exclude any of us from the possibility of flutter.
> > Just my opinion.
> > Alex Sloan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter
> >
>
>
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Subject: | tail brace wire hardware |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Greetings,
I'm looking for help to find hardware. See attached sketch. Our Piet project
has 6 of 8 tail brace wires already built using hardware like shown in the sketch.
Not per the original plans. I have seen hardware like this on other old
airplanes but I don't know where to find it. Before I go to the effort to hand
make these parts, I wonder if anyone on the list knows where to find this type
of hardware.
Thanks,
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
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Subject: | Re: newbie type question - flutter |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
Sure, everybody wants to blame someone else dont they.
Thats why I like Mr. Pietenpols's designs.
JimV.
Alex Sloan <alexms1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan"
Flutter-----
One of the aileronflaparons was completely ripped off of the Kit Fox and the
other broke loose at the outer hinge and was hanging on the inner hinge
banging against the fuselage. He said it happened in the twinkle of an eye.
He was very upset with who ever was responsible for the design as supposedly
there was a fix for this but it never got out to all the Kit Fox builders
and he was one who never got the information till after the fact.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike
>
> Something had to be broken.
> The original question was about the lack of control balances on the Piet.
> There are none because, if the airplane is intact, and it is being flown
at
> the airspeeds it can attain on this planet, flutter is not a problem. If
> something breaks, such as a control hinge, or a piece of fabric rips, of
> course flutter can occur.
> I doubt very much that your fellow chapter member experienced divergent
> flutter at 80 mph in a Kit Fox that was at that moment fully airworthy.
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan"
> >
> > Fellow Piete builder and flyers,
> > We had a chapter member experience flutter at 80 MPH in his Kit Fox and
he
> > lost his flaparons (sp.) He safely landed the aircraft with only rudder
and
> > elevator and a passenger aboard. Just because we will not be able to
fly
> > fast does not exclude any of us from the possibility of flutter.
> > Just my opinion.
> > Alex Sloan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack Phillips"
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Pietenpol For Sale On Ebay |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig Williams" <cwilliams@amteccontrol.com>
I have listed my Pietenpol for sale on Ebay. It can be found at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=242668841
7> &item=2426688417
Included with the airplane is a three piece wing kit made by Charles
Rubeck, wire wheels, and tailwheel.
Thanks for all the good reading the last year and a half and safe flying
to all !!
Craig
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Subject: | Re: tail brace wire hardware |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Terry, attachments do not come through the list server. You will have to
describe what you have or post a picture someplace else or with the list sever
photo share (see the bottom of any email for details).
Chris
Sacramento CA
Quoting "" <BARNSTMR@aol.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
> Greetings,
> I'm looking for help to find hardware. See attached sketch. Our Piet
> project has 6 of 8 tail brace wires already built using hardware like shown
> in the sketch. Not per the original plans. I have seen hardware like this
> on other old airplanes but I don't know where to find it. Before I go to the
> effort to hand make these parts, I wonder if anyone on the list knows where
> to find this type of hardware.
> Thanks,
> Terry L. Bowden
> ph 254-715-4773
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Is the correct phone number for B&B Supply 913-884-5930 ? It rings and rings
but no one answers.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
I think they are out of business. They have retired and moved to the
Caribbean after I bought all that hardware at Oshkosh. Seriously, I show 913-884-5930
as their number.
Tom Travis
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
That's right the big EAA thing was last week. Guess I should give them a few
days to get back to work. Thanks Tom, I guess now I know who to blame when B&B
is out of everything I need.
and to answer my own question
B & B Aircraft Supplies
Attn Dan & E J Brown
PO Box 37
Gardner, KS 66030
USA
Phone: 913-884-5930
Fax: 913-884-6533
Quoting "" <TomTravis@aol.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
>
> I think they are out of business. They have retired and moved to the
> Caribbean after I bought all that hardware at Oshkosh. Seriously, I show
> 913-884-5930
> as their number.
>
>
> Tom Travis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
In a message dated 8/5/2003 3:28:36 PM Central Standard Time,
catdesign@intergate.com writes:
> That's right the big EAA thing was last week. Guess I should give them a
> few
> days to get back to work. Thanks Tom, I guess now I know who to blame when
> B&B
> is out of everything I need.
>
..and I'm out of money.
Tom
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Subject: | Re: tail brace wire hardware |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
Good luck...No sketch...Say, did you and your Daddy coach football??? Carl
V.
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Subject: | Re: tail brace wire hardware |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Not the same Terry Bowden that coached Auburn. My only claim to fame will be
this Piet one day I hope.
Anyway....I found that the type of hardware I have and need is quite similar
to that used for outboard bay wing brace wire on luscombes and similar to
Piper pawnee tail brace wires. The Piper parts cost big $ from the parts house.
The ferrules are very similar, maybe identical to the type used on spoke
wheels. I am going to check with some motorcycle shops tomorrow. Perhaps they
can
fix me up with ferrules. Does anyone on the list know if spokes for wheels
use rolled threads or cut threads?
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Chris
Thanks for the info...it got me onto discussions with a friend at work with
an MG midget about spokes. Then we went and looked at his luscombe wings. The
spokes use the same little ferrule I need. After 100 years....these
airplanes are still made out of bicycle parts.
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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Subject: | Piet winner at Oshkosh |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
Congratulations to Larry Williams his beautiful
A-Model Piet won the Outstanding Workmanship Plaque in the Homebuilt Plans Built
category.
Great job Larry!
--- Skip Cinda Gadd
--- csfog@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:57:18 -0500
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <BEC176@msn.com>
Way to go Larry!!!!!!!!!!
Jim D
----- Original Message -----
From: Cinda Gadd
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet winner at Oshkosh
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
Congratulations to Larry Williams his beautiful
A-Model Piet won the Outstanding Workmanship Plaque in the Homebuilt Plans Built
category.
Great job Larry!
--- Skip Cinda Gadd
--- csfog@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Anderson" <piet4ken@mindspring.com>
Way to go !!!!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet winner at Oshkosh
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Congratulations to Larry Williams his beautiful
> A-Model Piet won the Outstanding Workmanship Plaque in the Homebuilt Plans
Built
> category.
>
> Great job Larry!
>
>
> --- Skip Cinda Gadd
>
> --- csfog@earthlink.net
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com
Larry,
Congratulations! I concur with the judges, you did a beautiful job on the
Piet.
Tom Travis
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"taylorcraft" <taylorcraft@topica.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Replica of Howard Hughes plane crashes in Yellowstone
rwbhopvs
YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. (AP) - Federal investigators on Tuesday were called
to the site of a fatal airplane crash.
One person was killed Monday evening when an experimental plane crashed north of
Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park, the Federal Aviation Administration
said.
The Hughes 1B - the only replica of a record-breaking racer designed and flown
by Howard Hughes in 1935 - was en route from Oshkosh, Wis., to Oregon when the
crash occurred, spokeswoman Karen Byrd said.
The pilot was the only person on board but was not identified pending notification
of relatives.
The plane's registered owners were James and Betty Wright of Cottage Grove, Ore.,
according to the FAA's Web site.
The crash started a small fire near Midway Geyser Basin, but it was immediately
contained by park fire crews, park spokeswoman Marsha Karle said.
Several park visitors witnessed the crash and phoned 911. The crash was near the
Firehole River next to the main park road, which was closed for a period Monday
evening.
Hughes designed the original H-1B, which is at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington,
D.C. In 1935, he flew that aircraft to a new speed record and for a
brief period of time was the fastest person ever to pilot an airplane.
The replica was built in 2002 from scratch by a five-man team after hundreds of
hours studying photographs, drawings, test results and measurements of the original
plane.
---
On the Net:
Federal Aviation Administration: http://www.faa.gov
Yellowstone National Park: http://www.nps.gov/yell/
Information on the Hughes H1-B: http://www.wrightools.com/hughes
AP-WS-08-05-03 1136EDT
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
Hi Christian,
Sad news indeed, I found out at lunch time today about it. My partner and I
were supplying
Jim with some drawings for what was to be his next project, a Lockheed
Sirius. We lost a
fantastic man and flying machine yesterday.
Al Latham,
Lathrop, MO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
<taylorcraft@topica.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
<bobka@compuserve.com>
>
> Replica of Howard Hughes plane crashes in Yellowstone
>
>
> rwbhopvs
>
> YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. (AP) - Federal investigators on Tuesday
were called to the site of a fatal airplane crash.
>
> One person was killed Monday evening when an experimental plane crashed
north of Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park, the Federal Aviation
Administration said.
>
> The Hughes 1B - the only replica of a record-breaking racer designed and
flown by Howard Hughes in 1935 - was en route from Oshkosh, Wis., to Oregon
when the crash occurred, spokeswoman Karen Byrd said.
>
> The pilot was the only person on board but was not identified pending
notification of relatives.
>
> The plane's registered owners were James and Betty Wright of Cottage
Grove, Ore., according to the FAA's Web site.
>
> The crash started a small fire near Midway Geyser Basin, but it was
immediately contained by park fire crews, park spokeswoman Marsha Karle
said.
>
> Several park visitors witnessed the crash and phoned 911. The crash was
near the Firehole River next to the main park road, which was closed for a
period Monday evening.
>
> Hughes designed the original H-1B, which is at the Smithsonian Institution
in Washington, D.C. In 1935, he flew that aircraft to a new speed record and
for a brief period of time was the fastest person ever to pilot an airplane.
>
> The replica was built in 2002 from scratch by a five-man team after
hundreds of hours studying photographs, drawings, test results and
measurements of the original plane.
>
> ---
>
> On the Net:
>
> Federal Aviation Administration: http://www.faa.gov
>
> Yellowstone National Park: http://www.nps.gov/yell/
>
> Information on the Hughes H1-B: http://www.wrightools.com/hughes
>
>
> AP-WS-08-05-03 1136EDT
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
Was it Jim Wright that was lost?
chris bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bad news
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" <geebeed@grm.net>
>
> Hi Christian,
>
> Sad news indeed, I found out at lunch time today about it. My partner and
I
> were supplying
> Jim with some drawings for what was to be his next project, a Lockheed
> Sirius. We lost a
> fantastic man and flying machine yesterday.
>
> Al Latham,
> Lathrop, MO.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
> To: "pietenpol" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>; "taylorcraft"
> <taylorcraft@topica.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka"
> <bobka@compuserve.com>
> >
> > Replica of Howard Hughes plane crashes in Yellowstone
> >
> >
> > rwbhopvs
> >
> > YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. (AP) - Federal investigators on Tuesday
> were called to the site of a fatal airplane crash.
> >
> > One person was killed Monday evening when an experimental plane crashed
> north of Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park, the Federal Aviation
> Administration said.
> >
> > The Hughes 1B - the only replica of a record-breaking racer designed and
> flown by Howard Hughes in 1935 - was en route from Oshkosh, Wis., to
Oregon
> when the crash occurred, spokeswoman Karen Byrd said.
> >
> > The pilot was the only person on board but was not identified pending
> notification of relatives.
> >
> > The plane's registered owners were James and Betty Wright of Cottage
> Grove, Ore., according to the FAA's Web site.
> >
> > The crash started a small fire near Midway Geyser Basin, but it was
> immediately contained by park fire crews, park spokeswoman Marsha Karle
> said.
> >
> > Several park visitors witnessed the crash and phoned 911. The crash was
> near the Firehole River next to the main park road, which was closed for a
> period Monday evening.
> >
> > Hughes designed the original H-1B, which is at the Smithsonian
Institution
> in Washington, D.C. In 1935, he flew that aircraft to a new speed record
and
> for a brief period of time was the fastest person ever to pilot an
airplane.
> >
> > The replica was built in 2002 from scratch by a five-man team after
> hundreds of hours studying photographs, drawings, test results and
> measurements of the original plane.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > On the Net:
> >
> > Federal Aviation Administration: http://www.faa.gov
> >
> > Yellowstone National Park: http://www.nps.gov/yell/
> >
> > Information on the Hughes H1-B: http://www.wrightools.com/hughes
> >
> >
> > AP-WS-08-05-03 1136EDT
> >
> >
>
>
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