---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/05/03: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:18 AM - Re: newbie type question - flutter (Alex Sloan) 2. 09:19 AM - tail brace wire hardware (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 3. 09:42 AM - Re: newbie type question - flutter (dpilot) 4. 09:56 AM - Pietenpol For Sale On Ebay (Craig Williams) 5. 11:11 AM - Re: tail brace wire hardware () 6. 11:12 AM - B&B supply () 7. 11:44 AM - Re: B&B supply (TomTravis@aol.com) 8. 01:27 PM - Re: B&B supply () 9. 01:32 PM - Re: B&B supply (TomTravis@aol.com) 10. 05:22 PM - Re: tail brace wire hardware (Carbarvo@aol.com) 11. 05:32 PM - Re: tail brace wire hardware (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 12. 05:35 PM - Re: sketch (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 13. 06:29 PM - Piet winner at Oshkosh (Cinda Gadd) 14. 07:03 PM - Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh (James Dallas) 15. 07:33 PM - Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh (Ken Anderson) 16. 07:36 PM - Re: Piet winner at Oshkosh (TomTravis@aol.com) 17. 08:03 PM - bad news (Christian Bobka) 18. 08:27 PM - Re: bad news (Al Latham) 19. 09:05 PM - Re: bad news (Christian Bobka) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:50 AM PST US From: "Alex Sloan" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" Flutter----- One of the aileronflaparons was completely ripped off of the Kit Fox and the other broke loose at the outer hinge and was hanging on the inner hinge banging against the fuselage. He said it happened in the twinkle of an eye. He was very upset with who ever was responsible for the design as supposedly there was a fix for this but it never got out to all the Kit Fox builders and he was one who never got the information till after the fact. Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike > > Something had to be broken. > The original question was about the lack of control balances on the Piet. > There are none because, if the airplane is intact, and it is being flown at > the airspeeds it can attain on this planet, flutter is not a problem. If > something breaks, such as a control hinge, or a piece of fabric rips, of > course flutter can occur. > I doubt very much that your fellow chapter member experienced divergent > flutter at 80 mph in a Kit Fox that was at that moment fully airworthy. > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" > > > > Fellow Piete builder and flyers, > > We had a chapter member experience flutter at 80 MPH in his Kit Fox and he > > lost his flaparons (sp.) He safely landed the aircraft with only rudder and > > elevator and a passenger aboard. Just because we will not be able to fly > > fast does not exclude any of us from the possibility of flutter. > > Just my opinion. > > Alex Sloan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack Phillips" > > To: > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:26 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail brace wire hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Greetings, I'm looking for help to find hardware. See attached sketch. Our Piet project has 6 of 8 tail brace wires already built using hardware like shown in the sketch. Not per the original plans. I have seen hardware like this on other old airplanes but I don't know where to find it. Before I go to the effort to hand make these parts, I wonder if anyone on the list knows where to find this type of hardware. Thanks, Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:13 AM PST US From: dpilot Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot Sure, everybody wants to blame someone else dont they. Thats why I like Mr. Pietenpols's designs. JimV. Alex Sloan wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" Flutter----- One of the aileronflaparons was completely ripped off of the Kit Fox and the other broke loose at the outer hinge and was hanging on the inner hinge banging against the fuselage. He said it happened in the twinkle of an eye. He was very upset with who ever was responsible for the design as supposedly there was a fix for this but it never got out to all the Kit Fox builders and he was one who never got the information till after the fact. Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike > > Something had to be broken. > The original question was about the lack of control balances on the Piet. > There are none because, if the airplane is intact, and it is being flown at > the airspeeds it can attain on this planet, flutter is not a problem. If > something breaks, such as a control hinge, or a piece of fabric rips, of > course flutter can occur. > I doubt very much that your fellow chapter member experienced divergent > flutter at 80 mph in a Kit Fox that was at that moment fully airworthy. > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" > > > > Fellow Piete builder and flyers, > > We had a chapter member experience flutter at 80 MPH in his Kit Fox and he > > lost his flaparons (sp.) He safely landed the aircraft with only rudder and > > elevator and a passenger aboard. Just because we will not be able to fly > > fast does not exclude any of us from the possibility of flutter. > > Just my opinion. > > Alex Sloan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack Phillips" > > To: > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newbie type question - flutter > > > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:02 AM PST US From: "Craig Williams" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol For Sale On Ebay --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Craig Williams" I have listed my Pietenpol for sale on Ebay. It can be found at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=2426688417 Included with the airplane is a three piece wing kit made by Charles Rubeck, wire wheels, and tailwheel. Thanks for all the good reading the last year and a half and safe flying to all !! Craig ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:02 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail brace wire hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Terry, attachments do not come through the list server. You will have to describe what you have or post a picture someplace else or with the list sever photo share (see the bottom of any email for details). Chris Sacramento CA Quoting "" : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com > > Greetings, > I'm looking for help to find hardware. See attached sketch. Our Piet > project has 6 of 8 tail brace wires already built using hardware like shown > in the sketch. Not per the original plans. I have seen hardware like this > on other old airplanes but I don't know where to find it. Before I go to the > effort to hand make these parts, I wonder if anyone on the list knows where > to find this type of hardware. > Thanks, > Terry L. Bowden > ph 254-715-4773 > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:50 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Pietenpol-List: B&B supply --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Is the correct phone number for B&B Supply 913-884-5930 ? It rings and rings but no one answers. Chris Sacramento, CA do not archive ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:48 AM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: B&B supply --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com I think they are out of business. They have retired and moved to the Caribbean after I bought all that hardware at Oshkosh. Seriously, I show 913-884-5930 as their number. Tom Travis ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:51 PM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: B&B supply --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" That's right the big EAA thing was last week. Guess I should give them a few days to get back to work. Thanks Tom, I guess now I know who to blame when B&B is out of everything I need. and to answer my own question B & B Aircraft Supplies Attn Dan & E J Brown PO Box 37 Gardner, KS 66030 USA Phone: 913-884-5930 Fax: 913-884-6533 Quoting "" : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com > > I think they are out of business. They have retired and moved to the > Caribbean after I bought all that hardware at Oshkosh. Seriously, I show > 913-884-5930 > as their number. > > > Tom Travis > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:03 PM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: B&B supply --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com In a message dated 8/5/2003 3:28:36 PM Central Standard Time, catdesign@intergate.com writes: > That's right the big EAA thing was last week. Guess I should give them a > few > days to get back to work. Thanks Tom, I guess now I know who to blame when > B&B > is out of everything I need. > ..and I'm out of money. Tom Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:21 PM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail brace wire hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com Good luck...No sketch...Say, did you and your Daddy coach football??? Carl V. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:15 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail brace wire hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Not the same Terry Bowden that coached Auburn. My only claim to fame will be this Piet one day I hope. Anyway....I found that the type of hardware I have and need is quite similar to that used for outboard bay wing brace wire on luscombes and similar to Piper pawnee tail brace wires. The Piper parts cost big $ from the parts house. The ferrules are very similar, maybe identical to the type used on spoke wheels. I am going to check with some motorcycle shops tomorrow. Perhaps they can fix me up with ferrules. Does anyone on the list know if spokes for wheels use rolled threads or cut threads? Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:22 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: sketch --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Chris Thanks for the info...it got me onto discussions with a friend at work with an MG midget about spokes. Then we went and looked at his luscombe wings. The spokes use the same little ferrule I need. After 100 years....these airplanes are still made out of bicycle parts. Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:36 PM PST US From: "Cinda Gadd" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet winner at Oshkosh --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" Congratulations to Larry Williams his beautiful A-Model Piet won the Outstanding Workmanship Plaque in the Homebuilt Plans Built category. Great job Larry! --- Skip Cinda Gadd --- csfog@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:17 PM PST US From: "James Dallas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet winner at Oshkosh Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:57:18 -0500 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" Way to go Larry!!!!!!!!!! Jim D ----- Original Message ----- From: Cinda Gadd To: pietenpol-list Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet winner at Oshkosh --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" Congratulations to Larry Williams his beautiful A-Model Piet won the Outstanding Workmanship Plaque in the Homebuilt Plans Built category. Great job Larry! --- Skip Cinda Gadd --- csfog@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:39 PM PST US From: "Ken Anderson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet winner at Oshkosh --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Anderson" Way to go !!!!! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cinda Gadd" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet winner at Oshkosh > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cinda Gadd" > > > Congratulations to Larry Williams his beautiful > A-Model Piet won the Outstanding Workmanship Plaque in the Homebuilt Plans Built > category. > > Great job Larry! > > > --- Skip Cinda Gadd > > --- csfog@earthlink.net > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:36 PM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet winner at Oshkosh --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com Larry, Congratulations! I concur with the judges, you did a beautiful job on the Piet. Tom Travis do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:32 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" "taylorcraft" Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Replica of Howard Hughes plane crashes in Yellowstone rwbhopvs YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. (AP) - Federal investigators on Tuesday were called to the site of a fatal airplane crash. One person was killed Monday evening when an experimental plane crashed north of Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park, the Federal Aviation Administration said. The Hughes 1B - the only replica of a record-breaking racer designed and flown by Howard Hughes in 1935 - was en route from Oshkosh, Wis., to Oregon when the crash occurred, spokeswoman Karen Byrd said. The pilot was the only person on board but was not identified pending notification of relatives. The plane's registered owners were James and Betty Wright of Cottage Grove, Ore., according to the FAA's Web site. The crash started a small fire near Midway Geyser Basin, but it was immediately contained by park fire crews, park spokeswoman Marsha Karle said. Several park visitors witnessed the crash and phoned 911. The crash was near the Firehole River next to the main park road, which was closed for a period Monday evening. Hughes designed the original H-1B, which is at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C. In 1935, he flew that aircraft to a new speed record and for a brief period of time was the fastest person ever to pilot an airplane. The replica was built in 2002 from scratch by a five-man team after hundreds of hours studying photographs, drawings, test results and measurements of the original plane. --- On the Net: Federal Aviation Administration: http://www.faa.gov Yellowstone National Park: http://www.nps.gov/yell/ Information on the Hughes H1-B: http://www.wrightools.com/hughes AP-WS-08-05-03 1136EDT ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:48 PM PST US From: "Al Latham" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bad news --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" Hi Christian, Sad news indeed, I found out at lunch time today about it. My partner and I were supplying Jim with some drawings for what was to be his next project, a Lockheed Sirius. We lost a fantastic man and flying machine yesterday. Al Latham, Lathrop, MO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Replica of Howard Hughes plane crashes in Yellowstone > > > rwbhopvs > > YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. (AP) - Federal investigators on Tuesday were called to the site of a fatal airplane crash. > > One person was killed Monday evening when an experimental plane crashed north of Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park, the Federal Aviation Administration said. > > The Hughes 1B - the only replica of a record-breaking racer designed and flown by Howard Hughes in 1935 - was en route from Oshkosh, Wis., to Oregon when the crash occurred, spokeswoman Karen Byrd said. > > The pilot was the only person on board but was not identified pending notification of relatives. > > The plane's registered owners were James and Betty Wright of Cottage Grove, Ore., according to the FAA's Web site. > > The crash started a small fire near Midway Geyser Basin, but it was immediately contained by park fire crews, park spokeswoman Marsha Karle said. > > Several park visitors witnessed the crash and phoned 911. The crash was near the Firehole River next to the main park road, which was closed for a period Monday evening. > > Hughes designed the original H-1B, which is at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C. In 1935, he flew that aircraft to a new speed record and for a brief period of time was the fastest person ever to pilot an airplane. > > The replica was built in 2002 from scratch by a five-man team after hundreds of hours studying photographs, drawings, test results and measurements of the original plane. > > --- > > On the Net: > > Federal Aviation Administration: http://www.faa.gov > > Yellowstone National Park: http://www.nps.gov/yell/ > > Information on the Hughes H1-B: http://www.wrightools.com/hughes > > > AP-WS-08-05-03 1136EDT > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:01 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bad news --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Was it Jim Wright that was lost? chris bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Latham" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bad news > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Al Latham" > > Hi Christian, > > Sad news indeed, I found out at lunch time today about it. My partner and I > were supplying > Jim with some drawings for what was to be his next project, a Lockheed > Sirius. We lost a > fantastic man and flying machine yesterday. > > Al Latham, > Lathrop, MO. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" > To: "pietenpol" ; "taylorcraft" > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > > > Replica of Howard Hughes plane crashes in Yellowstone > > > > > > rwbhopvs > > > > YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. (AP) - Federal investigators on Tuesday > were called to the site of a fatal airplane crash. > > > > One person was killed Monday evening when an experimental plane crashed > north of Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park, the Federal Aviation > Administration said. > > > > The Hughes 1B - the only replica of a record-breaking racer designed and > flown by Howard Hughes in 1935 - was en route from Oshkosh, Wis., to Oregon > when the crash occurred, spokeswoman Karen Byrd said. > > > > The pilot was the only person on board but was not identified pending > notification of relatives. > > > > The plane's registered owners were James and Betty Wright of Cottage > Grove, Ore., according to the FAA's Web site. > > > > The crash started a small fire near Midway Geyser Basin, but it was > immediately contained by park fire crews, park spokeswoman Marsha Karle > said. > > > > Several park visitors witnessed the crash and phoned 911. The crash was > near the Firehole River next to the main park road, which was closed for a > period Monday evening. > > > > Hughes designed the original H-1B, which is at the Smithsonian Institution > in Washington, D.C. In 1935, he flew that aircraft to a new speed record and > for a brief period of time was the fastest person ever to pilot an airplane. > > > > The replica was built in 2002 from scratch by a five-man team after > hundreds of hours studying photographs, drawings, test results and > measurements of the original plane. > > > > --- > > > > On the Net: > > > > Federal Aviation Administration: http://www.faa.gov > > > > Yellowstone National Park: http://www.nps.gov/yell/ > > > > Information on the Hughes H1-B: http://www.wrightools.com/hughes > > > > > > AP-WS-08-05-03 1136EDT > > > > > >