---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/07/03: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 AM - Re: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures (Ed Grentzer) 2. 06:18 AM - Re: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures (Michael D Cuy) 3. 06:27 AM - Re: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures (Jim Markle) 4. 06:33 AM - Brodhead/OSH (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS) 5. 07:03 AM - post those Brodhead photos! (Ken Chambers) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures (baileys) 7. 07:55 AM - Re: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures (Borodent@aol.com) 8. 08:10 AM - Re: Big Adventure (Hodgson, Mark O) 9. 08:16 AM - zip code: 75093-3534 Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures (Jim Markle) 10. 08:35 AM - Flying Piets at Brodhead (Michael D Cuy) 11. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Big Adventure (dpilot) 12. 10:08 AM - Re: Flying Piets at Brodhead (Christian Bobka) 13. 11:01 AM - Re: Flying Piets at Brodhead (Michael D Cuy) 14. 11:07 AM - Hardware () 15. 11:26 AM - Re: Hardware (DJ Vegh) 16. 12:59 PM - Re: Hardware (Christian Bobka) 17. 04:37 PM - Re: Brodhead/OSH (Lauritz Larsen) 18. 06:33 PM - Re: Hardware (w b evans) 19. 08:57 PM - Placed plans order...waiting. (Gary M. Colwill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:55 AM PST US From: "Ed Grentzer" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" Thanks for posting the great pictures Jim....I wasn't able to make it this year so the pics are much appreciated.....Congratulations on your Oshkosh award Larry And thanks for the positive input on brazing ...I put a LOT of effort into making my control parts as perfect as possible... to the plans... just before all this brazing stuff came up on the list. They will fly but the subject caused me alot of grief. Ed G. >From: "Jim Markle" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:13:38 -0500 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > >What a great time. Brodhead is wonderful. The people, the planes, the >field.....just incredible. > >The thingy up at Whitman Field the following week is pretty good too, but >BRODHEAD!!!! WOW!!! > >It was a treat putting some faces with names this year. A lot of very nice >people, these Pietenpol fanatics! > >Last year I ran around looking for a ride (and got 2!) and trying to take >it >all in......this year I slowed down and just hung out with the crowd.....it >just can't get any better.... > >I had to leave before everyone took to the air Saturday evening (to pick up >my 3 oldest sons in Milwaukee, not a bad trade off....) but I was told that >a lot of rides were given. That's great! I've had my ride and won't soon >forget what a thrill the first one is. What a hoot to know how much >someone >is enjoying their first ride! > >My highlights? Got to meet Gene R, Skip G, Michael C. and break bread with >Chuck G, Larry W and Bill R. > >Well, it just goes on and on..... > >Here are a few pictures..... > >Jim in Plano > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > (If you can't click on this link, try copying and pasting it > > into your web browser.) > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:50 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Great pics, Jim Markle. I just sent the Matronics photoshare a bunch that I took at Brodhead, but they haven't posted them yet. I'll pass along the link in another e-mail for everyone to take a look at as soon as he gets them on-line. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:54 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" I took quite a few pictures (don't you just love digital technology?). Filled up a couple cd's. I would be happy to burn a copy of each if anyone wants copies. Just send me an sase CD mailer (if you want to send a couple blank cd's, cool. but that's not necessary....). Chuck G made an observation that I completely agree with.....it all went by WAY too fast.... Jim in Plano 2508 Pickwick Ln Plano, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Great pics, Jim Markle. I just sent the Matronics photoshare a bunch that > I took at Brodhead, but they haven't posted them yet. I'll pass along the > link in another e-mail for everyone to take a look at as soon as he gets > them on-line. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:54 AM PST US From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/OSH --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Thanks to all for the kind words. I don't know how or when EAA plans on telling me that I won something but Skip sure is all over the web wringing things out that are of interest to us all. Thanks, Skip. Brodhead was great but if I NEVER fly into Oshkosh again it'll be too soon. Maybe when a little time goes by and I can see things more objectively, I'll change my attitude. I made it there and back safely and I can forever proclaim that I flew the airplane I built to the "Big One". Give me Brodhead any day! It was great to have Bill Rewey, Chuck Gantzer and Jim Markle to hang around with at OSH. Sort of a support group of familiar faces. It was good to get to know each of you a little better. Another listee who helped was Cy Galley by virtue of being in charge of the maintenance compound that my airplane used for a couple of hours. The "A" never skipped a beat in all the 21 hours of time it took to go there and back. I recorded 70 gallons of fuel burned. No worries!!! Gotta love it! After two weeks of a barnstormer-like existence, I'm still trying to get back in synch with my real life (or is it?). I just got back yesterday and can't seem to get enough of the soft mattress and hot shower. OK, enough rambling........ everyone should have it so good! Thanks for the support- Larry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: post those Brodhead photos! From: "Ken Chambers" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Chambers" Hey Brodheaders Show a little sympathy for those who couldn't make it. Post your photos or put them on Shutterfly a la Jim Markle. (Thanks Jim!) Ken in Austin, wishing I could have made it there. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:47 AM PST US From: "baileys" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" Jim, I would like pictures and well send blank CDs also include a CD of the pictures I took. Also if anyone will send me a blank CD I will send my pictures to them as well. All of mine are at Brodhead and I took a lot of close up pictures of various details; tail feather, landing gears etc. I was going to post them on my personal site but haven't got it done yet. Thanks, Bob Bailey PO Box 276 Fulton, MO 65251 P.S. Jim what is your Zip code? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > I took quite a few pictures (don't you just love digital technology?). > > Filled up a couple cd's. > > I would be happy to burn a copy of each if anyone wants copies. > > Just send me an sase CD mailer (if you want to send a couple blank cd's, > cool. but that's not necessary....). > > Chuck G made an observation that I completely agree with.....it all went by > WAY too fast.... > > Jim in Plano > > 2508 Pickwick Ln > Plano, TX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > Great pics, Jim Markle. I just sent the Matronics photoshare a bunch > that > > I took at Brodhead, but they haven't posted them yet. I'll pass along the > > link in another e-mail for everyone to take a look at as soon as he gets > > them on-line. > > > > Mike C. > > > > do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:44 AM PST US From: Borodent@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com In a message dated 8/6/03 6:11:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: > Nice pictures, thanks, - Henry Williams ( Borodent@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Adventure From: "Hodgson, Mark O" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" This list newbie was really surprised by Chuck Gantzer's comments re: Saturday evening, because I had to leave before dinner. When I left only one Piet was flying (Ken Perkins', with someone else at the controls whose name I didn't get); the wind was tres' gusty and cross which led me to assume that that was why no one else was flying, and although I had to leave for other reasons was under the impression that I had seen all of the action for the day anyway. Either the wind died down a lot, (which of course often happens in the evening), or Piet pilots can and are willing to fly in fairly trashy conditions. So which is accurate? I'm hoping next year I'll be building one and I'll try not to leave so soon! Mark Hodgson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:35 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: zip code: 75093-3534 Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle Thanks! P.S. Jim what is your Zip code? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:03 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets at Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Mark--- When most of us arrived at Brodhead on Friday the winds were very strong out of the south. The airport at Brodhead has a long E-W runway and two diagonals, both of which were X'ed out when I arrived. (I think they do that to save lives of people on foot near the flight line and the hangars to the south) Anyway, the winds were even worse on Saturday and hardly anybody dared take to the air except for two Aeronca C-3's and one gorgeous Heath Super Parasol AFTER they opened the SW runway up. About 30 minutes before sunset the winds diminished enough for most of us to get our Piets in the air. It was still a bit bumpy but we just had to get some in the air. Some gave rides, others just buzzed around high and low, fast and slow. It wouldn't have been fair to the people on the ground had we not been able to fly some that day. Thankfully, we were able to do some flying at the last light of the day. Great fun ! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:36 AM PST US From: dpilot Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Adventure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot They opened the closed runway into the wind JimV. "Hodgson, Mark O" wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" This list newbie was really surprised by Chuck Gantzer's comments re: Saturday evening, because I had to leave before dinner. When I left only one Piet was flying (Ken Perkins', with someone else at the controls whose name I didn't get); the wind was tres' gusty and cross which led me to assume that that was why no one else was flying, and although I had to leave for other reasons was under the impression that I had seen all of the action for the day anyway. Either the wind died down a lot, (which of course often happens in the evening), or Piet pilots can and are willing to fly in fairly trashy conditions. So which is accurate? I'm hoping next year I'll be building one and I'll try not to leave so soon! Mark Hodgson --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:03 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets at Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Mike, you forgot about the cessna 140. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets at Brodhead > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Mark--- When most of us arrived at Brodhead on Friday the winds were very > strong out of the south. The airport at Brodhead has a long E-W runway and > two diagonals, both of which were X'ed out when I arrived. (I think they > do that to save lives of people on foot near the flight line and the > hangars to the south) Anyway, the winds were even worse on Saturday and > hardly anybody dared take to the air except for two Aeronca C-3's and one > gorgeous Heath Super Parasol AFTER they opened the SW runway up. About 30 > minutes before sunset the winds diminished enough for most of us to get our > Piets in the air. It was still a bit bumpy but we just had to get some in > the air. Some gave rides, others just buzzed around high and low, fast and > slow. It wouldn't have been fair to the people on the ground had we not > been able to fly some that day. Thankfully, we were able to do some flying > at the last light of the day. Great fun ! > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:38 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets at Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy At 12:06 PM 8/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > >Mike, > >you forgot about the cessna 140. Of course, how could I have missed that. My apologies, Mike C. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:37 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Can anyone tell me why there are copper Nicopress sleeves and zinc plated Nicopress sleeves? Are they for specific applications? If so, what are they? I think I heard about stainless steel cable needing a different type of sleeve. Is this what the zinc ones are for? Some where (I think it was in AC43-13) I also read a vague reference that left me thinking certain sizes of Nicopress sleeves do not use/need the 3 compressed sections. Is this true? Also what type of bolt/pin do you use in shackles (AN115-21) and the fork end (AN161) of a turnbuckle. Are there special pins or do you just use a bolt? Do shackles come with a pin/bolt or do I have to order them separately? Figure I would bite the bullet and buy the stuff now, even though I dont need it. I doubt that in the future the prices will be going down so it makes sound financial sense to buy now not later (well thats the excuse I am using but in reality I just want to buy them to have around when I need them in the way far off distant future). I wish my body could build as fast as my mind can. At that rate, Id of built three or four planes by now, mistake free of course. One nice thing about building so slow is your airplane building fund can grow into a nice little sum of money. Almost enough to buy 35 turnbuckles..now that is depressing. Chris Sacramento, CA ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:54 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" the zinc plated nicopress sleeves are for stainless cables. copper would be used for galvanized. As for pins/bolts on fork ends. You can do it either way. I am using clevis pins with washers and cotter pics to secure my forks, but short AN bolts with lock nuts would work equally well. DJ Vegh www.imagedv.com/aircamper ----- Original Message ----- From: catdesign@intergate.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Can anyone tell me why there are copper Nicopress sleeves and zinc plated Nicopress sleeves? Are they for specific applications? If so, what are they? I think I heard about stainless steel cable needing a different type of sleeve. Is this what the zinc ones are for? Some where (I think it was in AC43-13) I also read a vague reference that left me thinking certain sizes of Nicopress sleeves do not use/need the 3 compressed sections. Is this true? Also what type of bolt/pin do you use in shackles (AN115-21) and the fork end (AN161) of a turnbuckle. Are there special pins or do you just use a bolt? Do shackles come with a pin/bolt or do I have to order them separately? Figure I would bite the bullet and buy the stuff now, even though I dont need it. I doubt that in the future the prices will be going down so it makes sound financial sense to buy now not later (well thats the excuse I am using but in reality I just want to buy them to have around when I need them in the way far off distant future). I wish my body could build as fast as my mind can. At that rate, Id of built three or four planes by now, mistake free of course. One nice thing about building so slow is your airplane building fund can grow into a nice little sum of money. Almost enough to buy 35 turnbuckles..now that is depressing. Chris Sacramento, CA ------------------------------------------------- = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:40 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" You can't use lock nuts with the shackles. But you can use cotter keys with a drilled shank bolt with a castle nut. A nylock nut is not approved as the bolt can rotate. Just about 100% of the applications use a clevis pin and cotter key. The hardware supplier should be able to tell you what size clevis is normally used with the specific size of shacle you are using. chris bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hardware > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > the zinc plated nicopress sleeves are for stainless cables. copper would be used for galvanized. > > As for pins/bolts on fork ends. You can do it either way. I am using clevis pins with washers and cotter pics to secure my forks, but short AN bolts with lock nuts would work equally well. > > DJ Vegh > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: catdesign@intergate.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:09 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Can anyone tell me why there are copper Nicopress sleeves and zinc plated > Nicopress sleeves? Are they for specific applications? If so, what are they? > I think I heard about stainless steel cable needing a different type of sleeve. > Is this what the zinc ones are for? > Some where (I think it was in AC43-13) I also read a vague reference that left > me thinking certain sizes of Nicopress sleeves do not use/need the 3 compressed > sections. Is this true? > > Also what type of bolt/pin do you use in shackles (AN115-21) and the fork end > (AN161) of a turnbuckle. Are there special pins or do you just use a bolt? Do > shackles come with a pin/bolt or do I have to order them separately? > > Figure I would bite the bullet and buy the stuff now, even though I dont need > it. I doubt that in the future the prices will be going down so it makes sound > financial sense to buy now not later (well thats the excuse I am using but in > reality I just want to buy them to have around when I need them in the way far > off distant future). I wish my body could build as fast as my mind can. At > that rate, Id of built three or four planes by now, mistake free of course. > One nice thing about building so slow is your airplane building fund can grow > into a nice little sum of money. Almost enough to buy 35 turnbuckles..now > that is depressing. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:37 PM PST US From: "Lauritz Larsen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/OSH --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lauritz Larsen" Larry, Happy to hear about your award at Oshkosh and your comments about you reactions. Didn't make to Brodhead for the first time in 7 years; it appears thar I missed a 'good'one. Hopefully next year. Trying to do the color coat painting but its been, hot , wet and humid. Went over to see Bud Roger's "A" ; he has it in his prototype SE-5 fuselage. I was impressed, he had it turning a 76 x 42 prop at over 2500 RPM. I think the dual Solex carbs and the modified cam are adding to the performance significantly. He has a dual ignition which is currently using two coils and a Mazda 8 wire distributer. What kind of a mag are using in your A ? Regards, Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/OSH > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" > > Thanks to all for the kind words. I don't know how or when EAA plans on telling me that I won something but Skip sure is all over the web wringing things out that are of interest to us all. Thanks, Skip. > > Brodhead was great but if I NEVER fly into Oshkosh again it'll be too soon. Maybe when a little time goes by and I can see things more objectively, I'll change my attitude. I made it there and back safely and I can forever proclaim that I flew the airplane I built to the "Big One". Give me Brodhead any day! > > It was great to have Bill Rewey, Chuck Gantzer and Jim Markle to hang around with at OSH. Sort of a support group of familiar faces. It was good to get to know each of you a little better. Another listee who helped was Cy Galley by virtue of being in charge of the maintenance compound that my airplane used for a couple of hours. > > The "A" never skipped a beat in all the 21 hours of time it took to go there and back. I recorded 70 gallons of fuel burned. No worries!!! Gotta love it! > > After two weeks of a barnstormer-like existence, I'm still trying to get back in synch with my real life (or is it?). I just got back yesterday and can't seem to get enough of the soft mattress and hot shower. > > OK, enough rambling........ everyone should have it so good! > > Thanks for the support- > Larry > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:21 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hardware --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Chris, Don't know if you have the Aircraft Spruce catalog or not , but it has all that little data, with charts and graphs. If you go onto their site and follow the links for a free catalog, you get a fresh new one. No strings. I've gotten more than one and some for all my friends . http://www.aircraftspruce.com/index.php matter of fact, the catalog prompt is on this page. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" > > Can anyone tell me why there are copper Nicopress sleeves and zinc plated > Nicopress sleeves? Are they for specific applications? If so, what are they? > I think I heard about stainless steel cable needing a different type of sleeve. > Is this what the zinc ones are for? > Some where (I think it was in AC43-13) I also read a vague reference that left > me thinking certain sizes of Nicopress sleeves do not use/need the 3 compressed > sections. Is this true? > > Also what type of bolt/pin do you use in shackles (AN115-21) and the fork end > (AN161) of a turnbuckle. Are there special pins or do you just use a bolt? Do > shackles come with a pin/bolt or do I have to order them separately? > > Figure I would bite the bullet and buy the stuff now, even though I dont need > it. I doubt that in the future the prices will be going down so it makes sound > financial sense to buy now not later (well thats the excuse I am using but in > reality I just want to buy them to have around when I need them in the way far > off distant future). I wish my body could build as fast as my mind can. At > that rate, Id of built three or four planes by now, mistake free of course. > One nice thing about building so slow is your airplane building fund can grow > into a nice little sum of money. Almost enough to buy 35 turnbuckles..now > that is depressing. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:59 PM PST US From: "Gary M. Colwill" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Placed plans order...waiting. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary M. Colwill" I WAS interested in gyroplanes, til I stumbled across the Pietenpol Aircamper on the Internet. That was a month ago. ...placed my order yesterday for the aircamper plans and the builder's manual on the Pietenpol family website. Figured it would be here by now... Should have this thing whipped together in a week or two (hundred). I'm also looking forward to Mike Cuy's video. I'll probably be hanging aroud here alot, too, since the most I've ever done with wood before is replacing the slats on my fence. Hopefully your collective knowledge and my patience (see above for example) and willingness to "redo" will compensate for my lack of experience. I'm looking forward to this new journey. Gary M. Colwill Do not archive