---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/11/03: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:17 AM - B&B Turnbuckle price () 2. 09:25 AM - looking for Larry West near Spokane WA (Christian Bobka) 3. 10:09 AM - Re: looking for Larry West near Spokane WA (Jim Markle) 4. 11:58 AM - Re: B&B Turnbuckle price (TomTravis@aol.com) 5. 03:52 PM - Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Jim Markle) 6. 06:45 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Christian Bobka) 7. 06:57 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Jim Markle) 8. 07:05 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Jim Markle) 9. 07:12 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Jim Markle) 10. 07:15 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Jim Markle) 11. 07:15 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (javier cruz) 12. 07:15 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Jim Markle) 13. 07:21 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Jim Markle) 14. 07:21 PM - Re: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... (Jim Markle) 15. 07:33 PM - I didn't mean to do that.... (Jim Markle) 16. 09:53 PM - Wheels, brakes and tires (ANNCARLEK@aol.com) 17. 10:09 PM - Flying Stories - Tail skids & hard surface (Rcaprd@aol.com) 18. 11:28 PM - Re: Flying Stories - Tail skids & hard surface (Christian Bobka) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:01 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Pietenpol-List: B&B Turnbuckle price --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" Just got off the phone with B&B Supply (913-884-5930). Their current price for a AN130-16S turnbuckle is $8.95 each. He also has a bunch turnbuckle assemblies made up of AN155-16L an AN161 short and an AN170 short for $8.95 as well. Unfortunately they do not have any AN115-22 shackles. These prices are way under Aircraft Spruce, Wicks and a bunch of other places I tried. Chris Sacramento CA ------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:36 AM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" "pietenpol" , "tailwind" Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for Larry West near Spokane WA --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Somebody on the list told me they new Larry West from Spokane WA of nearby. I am trying to get a holt of him. chris bobka ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:22 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: looking for Larry West near Spokane WA --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Well, it wasn't me......but...... A search in landings.com returns the following (Tumtum is just NE of Spokane): WEST, LARRY LEE 5742A CORKSCREW CANYON RD TUMTUM, WA, 99034-9716 ww.411.com: (509)258-6896 Here's an email address that might work: tailskidwest@peoplepc.com Jim in Plano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" ; "tailwind" Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for Larry West near Spokane WA > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Somebody on the list told me they new Larry West from Spokane WA of nearby. I am trying to get a holt of him. > > chris bobka > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:32 AM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: B&B Turnbuckle price --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com B&B has the best prices on turnbuckles I've found. Tom Travis ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:35 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue of American Aircraft Modeler. These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the plans, a teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny tiny error)......oops.... If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on the computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the files (they zipped into 2.6MB file). Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written in 1969!!! :-) Jim in Plano > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > simply go to: > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:50 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Jim Send me the Zip on the Bowers articles. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue of > American Aircraft Modeler. > > These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. > > I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the plans, a > teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny tiny > error)......oops.... > > If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on the > computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the files > (they zipped into 2.6MB file). > > Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the > amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written in > 1969!!! :-) > > Jim in Plano > > > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:58 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Here you go.... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Jim > > Send me the Zip on the Bowers articles. > > Chris Bobka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Markle" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > > > I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue of > > American Aircraft Modeler. > > > > These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. > > > > I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the plans, > a > > teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny > tiny > > error)......oops.... > > > > If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on > the > > computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the files > > (they zipped into 2.6MB file). > > > > Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the > > amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written in > > 1969!!! :-) > > > > Jim in Plano > > > > > > > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:08 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Here you go.... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Jim > > Send me the Zip on the Bowers articles. > > Chris Bobka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Markle" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > > > I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue of > > American Aircraft Modeler. > > > > These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. > > > > I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the plans, > a > > teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny > tiny > > error)......oops.... > > > > If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on > the > > computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the files > > (they zipped into 2.6MB file). > > > > Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the > > amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written in > > 1969!!! :-) > > > > Jim in Plano > > > > > > > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:22 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Here you go.... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Jim > > Send me the Zip on the Bowers articles. > > Chris Bobka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Markle" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > > > I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue of > > American Aircraft Modeler. > > > > These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. > > > > I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the plans, > a > > teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny > tiny > > error)......oops.... > > > > If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on > the > > computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the files > > (they zipped into 2.6MB file). > > > > Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the > > amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written in > > 1969!!! :-) > > > > Jim in Plano > > > > > > > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:26 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Oops, sorry to send this to the list...... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > Here you go.... > > jm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > > > Jim > > > > Send me the Zip on the Bowers articles. > > > > Chris Bobka > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Markle" > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > > > > > > I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue > of > > > American Aircraft Modeler. > > > > > > These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. > > > > > > I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the > plans, > > a > > > teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny > > tiny > > > error)......oops.... > > > > > > If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on > > the > > > computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the > files > > > (they zipped into 2.6MB file). > > > > > > Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the > > > amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written > in > > > 1969!!! :-) > > > > > > Jim in Plano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:41 PM PST US From: javier cruz Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz Hi Jim i would like to have the files to... __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:49 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Here you go.... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Jim > > Send me the Zip on the Bowers articles. > > Chris Bobka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Markle" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > > > I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue of > > American Aircraft Modeler. > > > > These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. > > > > I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the plans, > a > > teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny > tiny > > error)......oops.... > > > > If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on > the > > computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the files > > (they zipped into 2.6MB file). > > > > Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the > > amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written in > > 1969!!! :-) > > > > Jim in Plano > > > > > > > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:33 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Oops, sorry to send this to the list...... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > Here you go.... > > jm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bobka" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > > > > Jim > > > > Send me the Zip on the Bowers articles. > > > > Chris Bobka > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Markle" > > To: > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > > > > > > I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue > of > > > American Aircraft Modeler. > > > > > > These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. > > > > > > I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the > plans, > > a > > > teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny > > tiny > > > error)......oops.... > > > > > > If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on > > the > > > computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the > files > > > (they zipped into 2.6MB file). > > > > > > Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the > > > amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written > in > > > 1969!!! :-) > > > > > > Jim in Plano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:39 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Here you go.... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" > > Jim > > Send me the Zip on the Bowers articles. > > Chris Bobka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Markle" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting 1969 Model Mag article..... > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > > > > I found this Pietenpol article, written by Pete Bowers, in a 1969 issue of > > American Aircraft Modeler. > > > > These pictues will be too small to read but you'll get the idea. > > > > I haven't had time to really read everything but I noticed, on the plans, > a > > teeny tiny mistake on the wing chord dimension (if you call 13' a teeny > tiny > > error)......oops.... > > > > If you would like copies of what I scanned (MORE than enough to read on > the > > computer display or print out), email me directly and I'll send the files > > (they zipped into 2.6MB file). > > > > Pretty interesting reading about a design that's been "offered to the > > amateur"...."For 40 years". Yes, I know, but this article was written in > > 1969!!! :-) > > > > Jim in Plano > > > > > > > > > > To view Jim Markle's pictures at Shutterfly, > > > simply go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:01 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: I didn't mean to do that.... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" but I figured out what happened...to cause all those messages to get sent to the list over and over, etc.... But hey, anyone who knows me would expect nothing less than a HUGE goof...... My apologies to everyone on the list.... Jim in (hmmm, maybe I better not say....) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:02 PM PST US From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels, brakes and tires --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com Anyone out there tried anything with Azusa Engineering Wheels? Im trying to build a light-weight Piet, So I got their catalog and ordered tires, wheels and brakes. It seems that it would be possible to save about 30 pounds. So I ordered the nylon-filled wheels, (6), 5.00 x 6 tires(4-ply rated), and brake drums and the contracting brake bands. The external band brakes do not need backing plates and are easy to adapt to the vees. The tires are a little larger than those my friend has on his Sonex, which u ses the Azusa aluminum wheels on 3/4 axles, and this rig is OK on the Sonex, which is a little bit heavier and a lot faster than the Piet. So I figured my rig would be ok for my Piet. My tires are marked not for highway use. This is ok by me, I hope that I wont be landing on many highways. But it also says 40 # maximum pressure. This bothers me, as the Sonexs use about 70#. And the lovely molded wheels say 20# maximum tire pressure. This bothers me! My friends here say that the gear should be designed to take the maximum load on one wheel. Any comments? Carl @ Compton Airport ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:30 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Stories - Tail skids & hard surface --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com I just gotta share some of my flying stories with y'all (most of them are true), as well as some of the lessons I've learned. Flying a 'Low & Slow' airplane cross country is absolutely the best way to see this beautiful country we live in, and meet so many people...it's a real attention getter at the FBO's. Don't tell me this ain't no cross country airplane, cause I don't wanna hear about it. On the return trip, someone asked "Well, how many hours did it take to get there ?" I replied "When you fly a Pietenpol on a cross country, you don't measure time in hours, you measure it in days !!" After a good heart felt laugh, they gathered themselves back together and asked "OK, well how many days did it take you to get there ?" I replied with a grin "Three !!" Tail Skids, and hard surface runways: I have always flown off the grass runways, no brakes, and the tail skid performs very well on the grass. Simplicity at it's finest, and much less weight back at the tail. Stick forward, add power, and just rudder it around...no worries. I got the brakes operational just a week before Brodhead, but didn't have time to get a tail wheel done. Well, when ya try to land a tail skid on a hard surface runway, ya really gotta spit your gum out, and pay attention !! My first one, was on the second leg of my trip. I did four hard surface landings during my adventure to Brodhead / Oshkosh adventure, and each time I almost lost it on roll out - maybe 20 or 15 mph down to zero mph. I learned that any slight breeze will push the tail around, and with the engine at idle - no prop wash, she just doesn't pay any attention to where the rudder is, and the tail just goes wherever the wind tells it to. When I left, I thought I could just use a touch of brake in this situation, and everything would be cool...Big Mistake...BIG BIG MISTAKE !! Example: When she's headed to the right side of the edge of the runway, I just lightly stabbed the left brake to keep it on course down the runway. Well, this got 'er pointed back on course, but it also brought the tail up upbruptly, and then it did a double bounce back down. Adding power takes a second or two, for the prop wash to reach the rudder. On my second hard surface landing, I just let 'er go to the grass off the side of the runway...I think she was just letting me know she likes it there much more !! Each time, I had visions of either nosing over, or doing a ground loop. So...THAT'S why I was the only one there at Brodhead with a tail skid !! When I landed at Oshkosh in front of all those people, and as I was doing this dance down the runway, ATC was saying to me "Red high wing, exit runway...as soon as you can..." So... the morale of this story, is 'Entertainment is as close as my next landing'. Or...'Tail skids, and hard surface runways, just don't mix well'. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Wichita, KS ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:45 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Stories - Tail skids & hard surface --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Chuck, That story is the best post I have seen in weeks! Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Stories - Tail skids & hard surface > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > I just gotta share some of my flying stories with y'all (most of them are > true), as well as some of the lessons I've learned. > Flying a 'Low & Slow' airplane cross country is absolutely the best way > to see this beautiful country we live in, and meet so many people...it's a real > attention getter at the FBO's. Don't tell me this ain't no cross country > airplane, cause I don't wanna hear about it. On the return trip, someone asked > "Well, how many hours did it take to get there ?" I replied "When you fly a > Pietenpol on a cross country, you don't measure time in hours, you measure it > in days !!" After a good heart felt laugh, they gathered themselves back > together and asked "OK, well how many days did it take you to get there ?" I > replied with a grin "Three !!" > Tail Skids, and hard surface runways: > I have always flown off the grass runways, no brakes, and the tail skid > performs very well on the grass. Simplicity at it's finest, and much less weight > back at the tail. Stick forward, add power, and just rudder it around...no > worries. I got the brakes operational just a week before Brodhead, but didn't > have time to get a tail wheel done. Well, when ya try to land a tail skid on a > hard surface runway, ya really gotta spit your gum out, and pay attention !! > My first one, was on the second leg of my trip. I did four hard surface > landings during my adventure to Brodhead / Oshkosh adventure, and each time I > almost lost it on roll out - maybe 20 or 15 mph down to zero mph. I learned that > any slight breeze will push the tail around, and with the engine at idle - no > prop wash, she just doesn't pay any attention to where the rudder is, and the > tail just goes wherever the wind tells it to. When I left, I thought I could > just use a touch of brake in this situation, and everything would be cool...Big > Mistake...BIG BIG MISTAKE !! Example: When she's headed to the right side > of the edge of the runway, I just lightly stabbed the left brake to keep it on > course down the runway. Well, this got 'er pointed back on course, but it > also brought the tail up upbruptly, and then it did a double bounce back down. > Adding power takes a second or two, for the prop wash to reach the rudder. On > my second hard surface landing, I just let 'er go to the grass off the side > of the runway...I think she was just letting me know she likes it there much > more !! Each time, I had visions of either nosing over, or doing a ground > loop. So...THAT'S why I was the only one there at Brodhead with a tail skid !! > When I landed at Oshkosh in front of all those people, and as I was doing this > dance down the runway, ATC was saying to me "Red high wing, exit runway...as > soon as you can..." > So... the morale of this story, is 'Entertainment is as close as my next > landing'. > Or...'Tail skids, and hard surface runways, just don't mix well'. > > Chuck Gantzer > NX770CG > Wichita, KS > >