---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/12/03: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:08 AM - Re: Wheels, brakes and tires (del magsam) 2. 07:18 AM - Flying story (Seibert Bob-r18643) 3. 08:51 AM - Re: Flying story (baileys) 4. 08:56 AM - Re: Flying story (Carbarvo@aol.com) 5. 09:42 AM - Re: Flying story (Ken) 6. 09:45 AM - Re: Flying story (John Ford) 7. 10:59 AM - Re: Flying story (baileys) 8. 05:16 PM - Re: Flying story (Jim Ash) 9. 05:26 PM - Re: Flying Stories - Tail skids & hard surface (Jim Ash) 10. 05:46 PM - Re: Flying story (Gary Gower) 11. 05:59 PM - Piet for Sale (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN) 12. 06:33 PM - Repost:For Sale info (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN) 13. 07:36 PM - Re: Repost:For Sale info (Christian Bobka) 14. 09:16 PM - Re: Repost:For Sale info (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN) 15. 10:33 PM - Basic Skills (Gary M. Colwill) 16. 10:45 PM - Re: Basic Skills (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 17. 11:06 PM - Re: Flying story (clif) 18. 11:52 PM - Re: Basic Skills (Peter W Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:15 AM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheels, brakes and tires --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam > My tires are marked not for highway use. This is ok > by me, I hope that I > wont be landing on many highways. But it also says > 40 # maximum pressure. > This bothers me, as the Sonexs use about 70#. > > And the lovely molded wheels say 20# maximum tire > pressure. This bothers me! > My friends here say that the gear should be > designed to take the maximum > load on one wheel. Any comments? I would take a really good look at the machined aluminum gocart wheels, they are prettier, stronger, and lighter. the nylon wheels are not strong enough. my sonex has 45 lbs in the tire. ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:54 AM PST US From: Seibert Bob-r18643 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643 Note: The following is fiction. If it was true, it would require violating the FAR's... I would never do that. I don't have an adventure quite like Chuck's to share but I have to share something that I will probably never be lucky enough to do again. Last Sunday morning I had about 4 hours on the Yellow Peril and decided to try a cross country all the way to Georgetown (25 miles!). Takeoff, climbout and cruise at 500 agl were great. It was cool and calm out and I had about 75 miles visibility. I was easily distracted from my piloting work by all the sights below me as I flew over fields, woods and the San Gabriel river. Beautiful cool blue sky morning. Anyway the first landing on pavement went great. Of course nobody saw it. The cruise home at 70 mph was going great and I decided to swing over to Hutto, Texas and fly from there to Taylor parallel to Highway 79. Its flat, straight and on the south side there are no persons, buildings or structures for about 6 miles. All there is along there is a road, some parallel train tracks and corn fields. Coming up on Hutto and starting my left turn to align with the road I noticed some unusual movement on the edge of town. It was a train coming out of Hutto eastbound at high speed. It was the Amtrak passenger train! It was that steel blue with about a dozen cars and even had some double decker cars. The little devil on my left shoulder immediately pushed the angel off of my right shoulder (no chutes required - they have wings). The little devil immediately gave instructions on the dive and turn. The Red Baron could not have timed that intercept better! I actually had to throttle back almost to idle as I slid into formation with the middle cars on the train. I eased it down to about 10' agl and brought the throttle back in to about 60 mph. I was pacing the train about 100 yards on his right hand side. I waved at the people staring out and they started waving back. Cool! I bumped the power up to 70 mph and started pulling up the length of the train. We were racing. Cooler! I got up along side the engine and the engineer blew his horn when I waved. By now I am grinning so much I am afraid of bug stains on my teeth! All too soon we came up on the first buildings outside of Taylor so I did a climbing turn out away from the captive airshow crowd and flew off into the still cool morning sky. I am still smiling to myself after 2 days. I don't know who those people were or where they got off of the train but they all know what a Pietenpol is now and they have another travel story to tell. Keep sawing, glueing and sweating on those Piets! Those 4 =BD years of building were fun but they were nothing compared to the desert you will get at the end! Bob Seibert N23TX with 5.5hours ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:17 AM PST US From: "baileys" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" Somebody should write a book "Zen and the Art of Pietenol Flying." 8 ) Bob B. - Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seibert Bob-r18643" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying story > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643 > > Note: The following is fiction. If it was true, it would require violating the FAR's... I would never do that. > I don't have an adventure quite like Chuck's to share but I have to share something that I will probably never be lucky enough to do again. > > Last Sunday morning I had about 4 hours on the Yellow Peril and decided to try a cross country all the way to Georgetown (25 miles!). > Takeoff, climbout and cruise at 500 agl were great. It was cool and calm out and I had about 75 miles visibility. I was easily distracted from my piloting work by all the sights below me as I flew over fields, woods and the San Gabriel river. Beautiful cool blue sky morning. Anyway the first landing on pavement went great. Of course nobody saw it. > > The cruise home at 70 mph was going great and I decided to swing over to Hutto, Texas and fly from there to Taylor parallel to Highway 79. Its flat, straight and on the south side there are no persons, buildings or structures for about 6 miles. All there is along there is a road, some parallel train tracks and corn fields. > > Coming up on Hutto and starting my left turn to align with the road I noticed some unusual movement on the edge of town. It was a train coming out of Hutto eastbound at high speed. It was the Amtrak passenger train! It was that steel blue with about a dozen cars and even had some double decker cars. > > The little devil on my left shoulder immediately pushed the angel off of my right shoulder (no chutes required - they have wings). The little devil immediately gave instructions on the dive and turn. The Red Baron could not have timed that intercept better! > > I actually had to throttle back almost to idle as I slid into formation with the middle cars on the train. I eased it down to about 10' agl and brought the throttle back in to about 60 mph. I was pacing the train about 100 yards on his right hand side. I waved at the people staring out and they started waving back. Cool! I bumped the power up to 70 mph and started pulling up the length of the train. We were racing. Cooler! I got up along side the engine and the engineer blew his horn when I waved. By now I am grinning so much I am afraid of bug stains on my teeth! All too soon we came up on the first buildings outside of Taylor so I did a climbing turn out away from the captive airshow crowd and flew off into the still cool morning sky. > > I am still smiling to myself after 2 days. > I don't know who those people were or where they got off of the train but they all know what a Pietenpol is now and they have another travel story to tell. > > Keep sawing, glueing and sweating on those Piets! > Those 4 =BD years of building were fun but they were nothing compared to the desert you will get at the end! > > Bob Seibert > N23TX with 5.5hours > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:20 AM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com Great story...It helps us ground-bound trolls! Thanks....Carl V. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:00 AM PST US From: "Ken" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" Bob, Sounds like a good project for you. You probably could do most of your research on this list. Ken av8or@infionline.net kring@mountainviewdogs.com kring@irisweb.net www.irisweb.net www.mountainviewdogs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of baileys Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:38 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" I believe the horizontal and vertical separation issue relates to structures and/or people on the ground. If you're flying over desert (or tundra where I learned to fly) you can fly as low as you want as long as there are no people or structures. The only issue in this fictional story would be the distance from the train... John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> Bob.Seibert@motorola.com Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:18:18 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643 Note: The following is fiction. If it was true, it would require violating the FAR's... I would never do that. I don't have an adventure quite like Chuck's to share but I have to share something that I will probably never be lucky enough to do again. Last Sunday morning I had about 4 hours on the Yellow Peril and decided to try a cross country all the way to Georgetown (25 miles!). Takeoff, climbout and cruise at 500 agl were great. It was cool and calm out and I had about 75 miles visibility. I was easily distracted from my piloting work by all the sights below me as I flew over fields, woods and the San Gabriel river. Beautiful cool blue sky morning. Anyway the first landing on pavement went great. Of course nobody saw it. The cruise home at 70 mph was going great and I decided to swing over to Hutto, Texas and fly from there to Taylor parallel to Highway 79. Its flat, straight and on the south side there are no persons, buildings or structures for about 6 miles. All there is along there is a road, some parallel train tracks and corn fields. Coming up on Hutto and starting my left turn to align with the road I noticed some unusual movement on the edge of town. It was a train coming out of Hutto eastbound at high speed. It was the Amtrak passenger train! It was that steel blue with about a dozen cars and even had some double decker cars. The little devil on my left shoulder immediately pushed the angel off of my right shoulder (no chutes required - they have wings). The little devil immediately gave instructions on the dive and turn. The Red Baron could not have timed that intercept better! I actually had to throttle back almost to idle as I slid into formation with the middle cars on the train. I eased it down to about 10' agl and brought the throttle back in to about 60 mph. I was pacing the train about 100 yards on his right hand side. I waved at the people staring out and they started waving back. Cool! I bumped the power up to 70 mph and started pulling up the length of the train. We were racing. Cooler! I got up along side the engine and the engineer blew his horn when I waved. By now I am grinning so much I am afraid of bug stains on my teeth! All too soon we came up on the first buildings outside of Taylor so I did a climbing turn out away from the captive airshow crowd and flew off into the still cool morning sky. I am still smiling to myself after 2 days. I don't know who those people were or where they got off of the train but they all know what a Pietenpol is now and they have another travel story to tell. Keep sawing, glueing and sweating on those Piets! Those 4 =BD years of building were fun but they were nothing compared to the desert you will get at the end! Bob Seibert N23TX with 5.5hours ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:23 AM PST US From: "baileys" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" Ken, Thanks for the suggestion. Not until I have my own flying Piet! Bob B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying story > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken" > > Bob, Sounds like a good project for you. You probably could do most of > your research on this list. > > Ken > av8or@infionline.net > kring@mountainviewdogs.com > kring@irisweb.net > > www.irisweb.net > www.mountainviewdogs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of baileys > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:07 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash Cool story. I've considered this kind of thing, but haven't had the nerve yet. I follow certain railroad stuff with a more than passive interest. Three years ago, my wife and I rode a railfan excursion from Union Station in Chicago to Galesburg and back, across the prairies of north-western Illinois. We lived nearby at the time, and it was just a day trip, albeit a long day. The train is pulled by Milwaukee Road #261, a big mainline 4-8-4 steam locomotive, fully restored and operational. They scrounge up a bunch of old privately-owned rail cars to pull behind it, including a lounge car for the high-dollar people on the rear. The whole consist is right out of the 40's. Unfortunately, my Cub was in Florida at the time. Now, it's on loan to a friend in Illinois, maybe 10-15 miles north of that trackage, but I'm in New Hampshire. As far as I know, they run the 261 excursion out of Chicago every year. I think it would be one of those lifetime adventures to fly a period plane in formation with a period train. But I never was comfortable with the legalities, and flying right next to a trainload of railfans armed with cameras and camcorders surely would get my tail numbers recorded, so it would have to be arguably legal. There are plenty of straight stretches of rail between towns that would not present any risk to those on the ground. Maybe next year. Jim At 8/12/2003 07:18 AM -0700, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Seibert Bob-r18643 > > >Note: The following is fiction. If it was true, it would require violating >the FAR's... I would never do that. >I don't have an adventure quite like Chuck's to share but I have to share >something that I will probably never be lucky enough to do again. > >Last Sunday morning I had about 4 hours on the Yellow Peril and decided to >try a cross country all the way to Georgetown (25 miles!). >Takeoff, climbout and cruise at 500 agl were great. It was cool and calm >out and I had about 75 miles visibility. I was easily distracted from my >piloting work by all the sights below me as I flew over fields, woods and >the San Gabriel river. Beautiful cool blue sky morning. Anyway the first >landing on pavement went great. Of course nobody saw it. > >The cruise home at 70 mph was going great and I decided to swing over to >Hutto, Texas and fly from there to Taylor parallel to Highway 79. Its >flat, straight and on the south side there are no persons, buildings or >structures for about 6 miles. All there is along there is a road, some >parallel train tracks and corn fields. > >Coming up on Hutto and starting my left turn to align with the road I >noticed some unusual movement on the edge of town. It was a train coming >out of Hutto eastbound at high speed. It was the Amtrak passenger train! >It was that steel blue with about a dozen cars and even had some double >decker cars. > >The little devil on my left shoulder immediately pushed the angel off of >my right shoulder (no chutes required - they have wings). The little devil >immediately gave instructions on the dive and turn. The Red Baron could >not have timed that intercept better! > >I actually had to throttle back almost to idle as I slid into formation >with the middle cars on the train. I eased it down to about 10' agl and >brought the throttle back in to about 60 mph. I was pacing the train about >100 yards on his right hand side. I waved at the people staring out and >they started waving back. Cool! I bumped the power up to 70 mph and >started pulling up the length of the train. We were racing. Cooler! I got >up along side the engine and the engineer blew his horn when I waved. By >now I am grinning so much I am afraid of bug stains on my teeth! All too >soon we came up on the first buildings outside of Taylor so I did a >climbing turn out away from the captive airshow crowd and flew off into >the still cool morning sky. > >I am still smiling to myself after 2 days. >I don't know who those people were or where they got off of the train but >they all know what a Pietenpol is now and they have another travel story >to tell. > >Keep sawing, glueing and sweating on those Piets! >Those 4 =BD years of building were fun but they were nothing compared to >the desert you will get at the end! > >Bob Seibert >N23TX with 5.5hours > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:12 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Stories - Tail skids & hard surface --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash Bad landings, by necessity, always have an audience. If you learned something, and nothing got busted, you did good. Jim At 8/12/2003 01:08 AM -0400, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > >I just gotta share some of my flying stories with y'all (most of them are >true), as well as some of the lessons I've learned. > Flying a 'Low & Slow' airplane cross country is absolutely the best way >to see this beautiful country we live in, and meet so many people...it's a >real >attention getter at the FBO's. Don't tell me this ain't no cross country >airplane, cause I don't wanna hear about it. On the return trip, someone >asked >"Well, how many hours did it take to get there ?" I replied "When you fly a >Pietenpol on a cross country, you don't measure time in hours, you measure it >in days !!" After a good heart felt laugh, they gathered themselves back >together and asked "OK, well how many days did it take you to get there >?" I >replied with a grin "Three !!" > Tail Skids, and hard surface runways: >I have always flown off the grass runways, no brakes, and the tail skid >performs very well on the grass. Simplicity at it's finest, and much less >weight >back at the tail. Stick forward, add power, and just rudder it around...no >worries. I got the brakes operational just a week before Brodhead, but >didn't >have time to get a tail wheel done. Well, when ya try to land a tail skid >on a >hard surface runway, ya really gotta spit your gum out, and pay attention !! >My first one, was on the second leg of my trip. I did four hard surface >landings during my adventure to Brodhead / Oshkosh adventure, and each time I >almost lost it on roll out - maybe 20 or 15 mph down to zero mph. I >learned that >any slight breeze will push the tail around, and with the engine at idle - no >prop wash, she just doesn't pay any attention to where the rudder is, and the >tail just goes wherever the wind tells it to. When I left, I thought I could >just use a touch of brake in this situation, and everything would be >cool...Big >Mistake...BIG BIG MISTAKE !! Example: When she's headed to the right side >of the edge of the runway, I just lightly stabbed the left brake to keep >it on >course down the runway. Well, this got 'er pointed back on course, but it >also brought the tail up upbruptly, and then it did a double bounce back >down. >Adding power takes a second or two, for the prop wash to reach the >rudder. On >my second hard surface landing, I just let 'er go to the grass off the side >of the runway...I think she was just letting me know she likes it there much >more !! Each time, I had visions of either nosing over, or doing a ground >loop. So...THAT'S why I was the only one there at Brodhead with a tail >skid !! >When I landed at Oshkosh in front of all those people, and as I was doing >this >dance down the runway, ATC was saying to me "Red high wing, exit runway...as >soon as you can..." >So... the morale of this story, is 'Entertainment is as close as my next >landing'. >Or...'Tail skids, and hard surface runways, just don't mix well'. > >Chuck Gantzer >NX770CG >Wichita, KS > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:52 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Jim, I dont think there will be any problem with flying near, if you keep a safe distance from the train and buildings up front. The photos from the train might not prove anything, with a telephoto (sp? any plane far away could look very close. In your place I will go for it, will be one experience in lifetime... Several years ago, 3 of us (ultralight pilots) went to a boat race in a lake near our strip. for two laps we raced and won the boats, we were flying about 300 ft on top of them, the water was scary below with our undependable 2 cycle engines. We landed near the area to go for some soft drinks and we were invited to the pits area as celebrities. We didnt hear any complain from any authority, in fact, people enjoyed the fly by, they were getting bored with the slow boats just going around the marked oval with no accidents ;-) For non boaters it was very boring, only the great engines in the boats and the pretty girls in the pits (from the beer company) were something to watch and enjoy :-) Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive --- Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > Cool story. > > I've considered this kind of thing, but haven't had the nerve yet. > > I follow certain railroad stuff with a more than passive interest. > Three > years ago, my wife and I rode a railfan excursion from Union Station > in > Chicago to Galesburg and back, across the prairies of north-western > Illinois. We lived nearby at the time, and it was just a day trip, > albeit a > long day. The train is pulled by Milwaukee Road #261, a big mainline > 4-8-4 > steam locomotive, fully restored and operational. They scrounge up a > bunch > of old privately-owned rail cars to pull behind it, including a > lounge car > for the high-dollar people on the rear. The whole consist is right > out of > the 40's. > > Unfortunately, my Cub was in Florida at the time. Now, it's on loan > to a > friend in Illinois, maybe 10-15 miles north of that trackage, but I'm > in > New Hampshire. As far as I know, they run the 261 excursion out of > Chicago > every year. I think it would be one of those lifetime adventures to > fly a > period plane in formation with a period train. But I never was > comfortable > with the legalities, and flying right next to a trainload of railfans > armed > with cameras and camcorders surely would get my tail numbers > recorded, so > it would have to be arguably legal. There are plenty of straight > stretches > of rail between towns that would not present any risk to those on the > ground. > > Maybe next year. > > Jim > __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:14 PM PST US From: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet for Sale Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:58:57 -0700 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" I have a friend who is intrested in buying a flying Piet. He does not have time to build one, but loves the plane. He came across a Piet for sale on the BPA site I think it was. Does anyone know anything about this plane. You saved him from buying a HEAVY piet a few months ago, so I thought I would check for him to see what you guys thought about this plane. You can reply to me privately, or straight to him at wegetnoticed@yahoo.com . His name is Greg Aumen. Thanks, Doug Blackburn P.S. I started tearing down the Corvair engine I picked up a few weeks ago. Very simple engine to work on. Thanks for any help torwards info for Greg. Thanks!!!.... Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California www.inlandsloperebels.com W.W. conversion manual, #3202 www.flycorvair.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:15 PM PST US From: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Repost:For Sale info Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:30:01 -0700 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Hey folks, I guess if attached the info you needed, I might get a better response eh? Here you go.... I have a friend who is intrested in buying a flying Piet. He does not have time to build one, but loves the plane. He came across a Piet for sale on the BPA site I think it was. Does anyone know anything about this plane. You saved him from buying a HEAVY piet a few months ago, so I thought I would check for him to see what you guys thought about this plane. You can reply to me privately, or straight to him at wegetnoticed@yahoo.com . His name is Greg Aumen. Thanks, Doug Blackburn P.S. I started tearing down the Corvair engine I picked up a few weeks ago. Very simple engine to work on. Thanks for any help torwards info for Greg. Thanks!!!.... . Hey Doug: I found this under piet stuff for sale. This is what it said. It's dated 8/10/03, Grant, I came across your website while searching for a site for my father to advertise his pietenpol air camper project for sale. please let me know if you can post this on your website. here's the info on it. N13708, dismantled pietenpol air camper project, EA 81 Subaru engine 55,000 road miles, Reductions of canada redrive 1.84 ratio, 68" 3 blade aluminum warp drive prop with pitch adjuster, exhaust system, fuel pumps, holly 5200 carb,radiator, coil, alternator, starter, air cleaner, prop hub and spinner, goodyear tires and wheel parts, hydraulic brakes, engine mount, nose cowl, most side cowl parts, flight and engine instruments, ELT, sporty's JD200 transceiver, always hangared. 1991 airworthiness cert w/1999 update. documentation and photo's available. asking $3500.00 contact: Owners Jack M Maki or Fred E Maki Granville, OH 34023 Phone 740-587-2819. Do you know anything about this piet? see ya Greg Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California www.inlandsloperebels.com W.W. conversion manual, #3202 www.flycorvair.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:04 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Repost:For Sale info --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Doug, Getting close to needing those instruments? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Repost:For Sale info > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" > > Hey folks, > I guess if attached the info you needed, I might get a better response eh? Here you go.... > I have a friend who is intrested in buying a flying Piet. He does not have time to build one, but loves the plane. He came across a Piet for sale on the BPA site I think it was. Does anyone know anything about this plane. You saved him from buying a HEAVY piet a few months ago, so I thought I would check for him to see what you guys thought about this plane. You can reply to me privately, or straight to him at wegetnoticed@yahoo.com . His name is Greg Aumen. Thanks, > > Doug Blackburn > > P.S. I started tearing down the Corvair engine I picked up a few weeks ago. Very simple engine to work on. Thanks for any help torwards info for Greg. Thanks!!!.... > . > Hey Doug: I found this under piet stuff for sale. This is what it said. It's dated 8/10/03, Grant, I came across your website while searching for a site for my father to advertise his pietenpol air camper project for sale. please let me know if you can post this on your website. here's the info on it. N13708, dismantled pietenpol air camper project, EA 81 Subaru engine 55,000 road miles, Reductions of canada redrive 1.84 ratio, 68" 3 blade aluminum warp drive prop with pitch adjuster, exhaust system, fuel pumps, holly 5200 carb,radiator, coil, alternator, starter, air cleaner, prop hub and spinner, goodyear tires and wheel parts, hydraulic brakes, engine mount, nose cowl, most side cowl parts, flight and engine instruments, ELT, sporty's JD200 transceiver, always hangared. 1991 airworthiness cert w/1999 update. documentation and photo's available. asking $3500.00 contact: Owners Jack M Maki or Fred E Maki Granville, OH 34023 Phone 740-587-2819. Do you know anything about th! > is piet? see ya Greg > > Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn > Yucaipa California > www.inlandsloperebels.com > W.W. conversion manual, #3202 www.flycorvair.com > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:56 PM PST US From: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Repost:For Sale info Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:15:43 -0700 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Chris, As with most that get started with a homebuilt, mine has been a very slow start. I have the motor which against the popular opinion, I will probably rebuild first. I am a much better mechanic then builder. Thinking that getting the engine done will spur me on to getting the frame built and as an encouragement to finish the project. Call me crazy eh? We all do it different. Won't need the insts. for a while, so don't sweat it. Thanks for asking though. I'll send you some pics of the engine opened up tommorrow. My disks are at work. Take care, as usuall, I appreciate your's, and everyone else's input and suggestions from the list. Oh yeah, last time I asked about Greg buying a Piet from someone, I received an answer within two hours telling him why he should not do so. Thanks for saving him his money, and the agrevation of buying a project that even the builder knew was not airworthy. This list is worth it's wieght in gold!! (how much does a HD wiegh) ? : ) Do not archive Doug Doug Blackburn Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California www.inlandsloperebels.com W.W. conversion manual, #3202 www.flycorvair.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Repost:For Sale info --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Doug, Getting close to needing those instruments? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" To: "Pietenpol List" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Repost:For Sale info > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" > > Hey folks, > I guess if attached the info you needed, I might get a better response eh? Here you go.... > I have a friend who is intrested in buying a flying Piet. He does not have time to build one, but loves the plane. He came across a Piet for sale on the BPA site I think it was. Does anyone know anything about this plane. You saved him from buying a HEAVY piet a few months ago, so I thought I would check for him to see what you guys thought about this plane. You can reply to me privately, or straight to him at wegetnoticed@yahoo.com . His name is Greg Aumen. Thanks, > > Doug Blackburn > > P.S. I started tearing down the Corvair engine I picked up a few weeks ago. Very simple engine to work on. Thanks for any help torwards info for Greg. Thanks!!!.... > . > Hey Doug: I found this under piet stuff for sale. This is what it said. It's dated 8/10/03, Grant, I came across your website while searching for a site for my father to advertise his pietenpol air camper project for sale. please let me know if you can post this on your website. here's the info on it. N13708, dismantled pietenpol air camper project, EA 81 Subaru engine 55,000 road miles, Reductions of canada redrive 1.84 ratio, 68" 3 blade aluminum warp drive prop with pitch adjuster, exhaust system, fuel pumps, holly 5200 carb,radiator, coil, alternator, starter, air cleaner, prop hub and spinner, goodyear tires and wheel parts, hydraulic brakes, engine mount, nose cowl, most side cowl parts, flight and engine instruments, ELT, sporty's JD200 transceiver, always hangared. 1991 airworthiness cert w/1999 update. documentation and photo's available. asking $3500.00 contact: Owners Jack M Maki or Fred E Maki Granville, OH 34023 Phone 740-587-2819. Do you know anything about th! > is piet? see ya Greg > > Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn > Yucaipa California > www.inlandsloperebels.com > W.W. conversion manual, #3202 www.flycorvair.com > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:59 PM PST US From: "Gary M. Colwill" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Basic Skills --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary M. Colwill" Just got my plans yesterday and have spent every spare moment poring over them. Of everything I've gleaned in the short time I've had the plans, there is one one fact that seems to be the most important at the moment - I need to develop some basic skills! The EAA website has for sale several books that might help me, like: Techniques of Aircraft Building Wood Aircraft Building Techniques Custom Built Sport Aircraft Handbook Can anyone recommend or comment on these books or suggest alternatives? Thanks, Gary C. Chino, CA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:47 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Basic Skills --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Gary, I recommend that you go hunting on the FAA.gov website and download a copy of advisory circular AC 43.13-1B. Its the best reference for acceptable methods, techniques, and practices for aircraft quality repairs and construction. This is the main guidance material for A&P technicians in aviation. Its a good place to start and it is FREE to download. But then the main thing is to just dive in and start making parts. There's no substitute for hands on experience...the best way to learn the basic skills. Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:12 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif Will the real Waldo Pepper please stand up! Does the smoke from the engine constitute cloud? Go for it! Just make sure you've got the right helmet, goggles, scarf and leather jacket for the photo's. Clif These stories are driving me crazy! I think I'll go sit in my mockpit in the backyard, under the stars, and make flying and train noises. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gower" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying story > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower > > Jim, > > I dont think there will be any problem with flying near, if you keep a > safe distance from the train and buildings up front. > > The photos from the train might not prove anything, with a telephoto > (sp? any plane far away could look very close. In your place I will go > for it, will be one experience in lifetime... > > Several years ago, 3 of us (ultralight pilots) went to a boat race in a > lake near our strip. for two laps we raced and won the boats, we were > flying about 300 ft on top of them, the water was scary below with our > undependable 2 cycle engines. We landed near the area to go for some > soft drinks and we were invited to the pits area as celebrities. > > We didnt hear any complain from any authority, in fact, people enjoyed > the fly by, they were getting bored with the slow boats just going > around the marked oval with no accidents ;-) > > For non boaters it was very boring, only the great engines in the boats > and the pretty girls in the pits (from the beer company) were something > to watch and enjoy :-) > > Saludos > Gary Gower > Do not archive > > > --- Jim Ash wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > > > Cool story. > > > > I've considered this kind of thing, but haven't had the nerve yet . The train is pulled by Milwaukee Road #261, a big mainline 4-8-4 > > steam locomotive, fully restored and operational. They scrounge up a > > bunch > > of old privately-owned rail cars to pull behind it, including a > > lounge car > > for the high-dollar people on the rear. The whole consist is right > > out of > > the 40's. I think it would be one of those lifetime adventures to > > fly a > > period plane in formation with a period train. But I never was > > comfortable > > with the legalities, and flying right next to a trainload of railfans > > armed > > with cameras and camcorders surely would get my tail numbers > > recorded, so > > it would have to be arguably legal. There are plenty of straight > > stretches > > of rail between towns that would not present any risk to those on the > > ground. > > > > Maybe next year. > > > > Jim ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:08 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Basic Skills --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" Gary, AC 43.13 is available in pdf format at http://www.saaa.com. Just click on downloads. Have fun Peter Wonthaggi, Australia Http://cpc-world.cable.nu -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Basic Skills --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Gary, I recommend that you go hunting on the FAA.gov website and download a copy of advisory circular AC 43.13-1B. Its the best reference for acceptable methods, techniques, and practices for aircraft quality repairs and construction. This is the main guidance material for A&P technicians in aviation. Its a good place to start and it is FREE to download. But then the main thing is to just dive in and start making parts. There's no substitute for hands on experience...the best way to learn the basic skills. Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members.