---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/14/03: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:33 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/12/03 (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: long-time auditor (john e fay) 3. 05:28 AM - flying stories (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 05:35 AM - wing flop panel (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 05:53 AM - Wright Flyer---wing are not the same length (Michael D Cuy) 6. 06:32 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/13/03 (Gsrth@aol.com) 7. 06:56 AM - Corvair's available (Michael D Cuy) 8. 06:57 AM - Re: flying stories (Isablcorky@aol.com) 9. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/13/03 (del magsam) 10. 09:22 AM - Re: long-time auditor (Jim Ash) 11. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - (Jim Ash) 12. 09:30 AM - Re: flying stories (Jim Ash) 13. 10:27 AM - Re: wing flop panel (Hubbard, Eugene) 14. 11:20 AM - Re: wing flop panel (dpilot) 15. 11:21 AM - The Bower's article..... (Jim Markle) 16. 11:56 AM - Re: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures (L&B hickman) 17. 01:04 PM - Re: wing flop panel (w b evans) 18. 05:29 PM - Re: wing flop panel (dpilot) 19. 05:35 PM - Re: flying stories (Gary Gower) 20. 06:32 PM - Re: flying stories (Isablcorky@aol.com) 21. 06:32 PM - Re: Flying Stories & TP !! (Michael Conkling) 22. 07:18 PM - Re: More Flying Stories !! (James Dallas) 23. 07:22 PM - Re: long-time auditor (James Dallas) 24. 08:26 PM - Re: flying stories (John Dilatush) 25. 08:46 PM - Re: More Flying Stories !! (Rcaprd@aol.com) 26. 09:36 PM - Re: wing flop panel (clif) 27. 10:12 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/13/03 (clif) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:53 AM PST US From: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/12/03 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:33:20 -0700 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Carl, Liz and I are planning on attending Saturday. If anything changes, I'll let you know, but as it stands, we'll be there. Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California www.inlandsloperebels.com W.W. conversion manual, #3202 www.flycorvair.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/12/03 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com In a message dated 8/12/03 11:57:05 PM, pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com writes: << From: "Gary M. Colwill" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Basic Skills >> Gary- I certainly recommend building a model first. You can use the plans as is for the fuse and this will be enlightening! But the tail and wings are to a different scale. I did this, and I think that I saved many hours of correcting mistakes or misunderstandings. We're having an Open House here at the Compton Airport this Sat.(the 16th). My partial Piet will be on display, as well as a totally disassembled Corvair motor. And I'll have my model there too! You can inspect my approach - I'm using vertical grain douglas fir and basswood plywood, and would still recommend this. Carl L @ Compton Airport (CA) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long-time auditor From: john e fay --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay > Last Fall I started building my Piet. I will use the Corvair and have three > engines > waiting. > Arden Adamson > > Waupaca, WI > Arden, Do you know where there are any more of those engines available. John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:29 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying stories --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Sorry for the delayed reaction on the fictional story about flying alongside a moving train, but I've been out of town and am just getting caught up on my emails. Wonderful story, and just the kind of thing low and slow fliers find exhilarating about flying the Piet. For my own part, ever since living in Oregon and seeing a sign along Hwy. 101 saying that the Thomas Creek bridge is the highest in the state, I've thought 'what if' about flying under it. Not too easy; see a picture at http://www.odot.state.or.us/eshtm/tomcr.htm . But just as thrilling, more historic, and far easier would be the second-highest, the Crooked River bridge, which was once the highest in the U.S. and a picture at http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/crooked/history.htm will show that it would be a cinch (except in the gusty gorge winds, which means most of the time except early morning). Just dreamin', folks... don't get all in an uproar about the safety issues... Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:52 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Y'know, folks- I seem to learn something every time I sit down and look at the plans or pictures of the Pietenpol. Last night I was looking at the Pete Bowers article on the Piet from back in the 60's and noticed in the 3-view (very informative, by the way, and clearer than the BHP plans 3-views in many details) that the wing flop panel is asymmetrical... it's wider on the port side to make entry easier. Coincidentally, I was browsing through the pictures that Mike Cuy uploaded to the Matronics site and noticed the same thing in a photo of the beautiful yellow Piet. I had never noticed that in the plans or in photos, but there it is. I think most folks make their flop panels symmetrical about the airplane's centerline, but what the heck- it makes sense to make it wider on the entry side of the plane. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:37 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wright Flyer---wing are not the same length --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Oscar--just like your observation about the flop not being centered, I didn't realize that the Wright brothers made the opposing wings 4" longer to offset the fact that the engine isn't centered on the wings ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:58 AM PST US From: Gsrth@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/13/03 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com Arden, I've just started my search for a Corvair and have not had much luck finding anything to overhaul under $500. Since you have accumulated three, I thought I would ask if you might suggest where I might start shopping for an engine to build up. Garth Dawson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:47 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair's available --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy check out Jay Hoppenworth's ad in the last Brodhead Pietenpol Newsletter----he had a bunch of engines listed for sale in the classified. (he's in Cedar Rapids, Iowa) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:08 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying stories --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Speaking of bridges: Take a reading on the Bastrop bridge over the Colorado. I (dreamed) I knew a fellow who went under it in an L-16. Just a dream. CMC ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:18 AM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/13/03 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam Garth look up the local corvair/corsair club online, put a "corvair engine wanted" ad in a local newspaper, stop at the local chevrolet car dealership to see if there are any collecters in the area, visit old car shows and ask around. Del --- Gsrth@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com > > Arden, > I've just started my search for a Corvair and > have not had much luck > finding anything to overhaul under $500. Since you > have accumulated three, I > thought I would ask if you might suggest where I > might start shopping for an > engine to build up. > Garth Dawson > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:59 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long-time auditor --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash Larry Claypool in the western suburbs of Chicago is one of the premier Corvair guys in the country. He can hook you up with a good core. Jim Ash 8/14/2003 06:41 AM -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay > > > > Last Fall I started building my Piet. > > I will use the Corvair and have three > > engines > > waiting. > > > Arden Adamson > > > > Waupaca, WI > > > >Arden, > >Do you know where there are any more of those engines available. > >John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:00 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/13/03 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash Garth - Where are you located? Jim Ash At 8/14/2003 09:32 AM -0400, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com > > Arden, > I've just started my search for a Corvair and have not had much luck >finding anything to overhaul under $500. Since you have accumulated three, I >thought I would ask if you might suggest where I might start shopping for an >engine to build up. > Garth Dawson > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:37 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying stories --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I have a plan worked out for when I lose my medical to make my last flight in style, but I'm not telling anybody the details. It's an easy stunt and nobody is going to get hurt, but people will be talking about it for a while, and I plan on remaining anonymous. I'm not expecting to lose my medical any time soon, but family history isn't pretty. With the new sport-pilot regs, it may never happen. Jim Ash At 8/14/2003 07:27 AM -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > >Sorry for the delayed reaction on the fictional story about flying alongside >a moving train, but I've been out of town and am just getting caught up on >my emails. Wonderful story, and just the kind of thing low and slow fliers >find exhilarating about flying the Piet. For my own part, ever since living >in Oregon and seeing a sign along Hwy. 101 saying that the Thomas Creek >bridge is the highest in the state, I've thought 'what if' about flying >under it. Not too easy; see a picture at >http://www.odot.state.or.us/eshtm/tomcr.htm . But just as thrilling, more >historic, and far easier would be the second-highest, the Crooked River >bridge, which was once the highest in the U.S. and a picture at >http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/crooked/history.htm will show that it >would be a cinch (except in the gusty gorge winds, which means most of the >time except early morning). > >Just dreamin', folks... don't get all in an uproar about the safety >issues... > >Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:51 AM PST US From: "Hubbard, Eugene" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" I couldn't figure out how to do an assymetrical flop panel on a 3-piece wing. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com] Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Y'know, folks- I seem to learn something every time I sit down and look at the plans or pictures of the Pietenpol. Last night I was looking at the Pete Bowers article on the Piet from back in the 60's and noticed in the 3-view (very informative, by the way, and clearer than the BHP plans 3-views in many details) that the wing flop panel is asymmetrical... it's wider on the port side to make entry easier. Coincidentally, I was browsing through the pictures that Mike Cuy uploaded to the Matronics site and noticed the same thing in a photo of the beautiful yellow Piet. I had never noticed that in the plans or in photos, but there it is. I think most folks make their flop panels symmetrical about the airplane's centerline, but what the heck- it makes sense to make it wider on the entry side of the plane. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:38 AM PST US From: dpilot Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot Why in the world does anybody need a flop panel? I have moved my wing 6.5 inches to the rear, and the rain doesn't drip in the rear seat, and I have no problem getting in or out. I am 6'6" tall, 260 pounds and 70 years old. Seems to me a lot younger and smaller guys are less able to bend! JimV. "Hubbard, Eugene" wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" I couldn't figure out how to do an assymetrical flop panel on a 3-piece wing. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com] Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Y'know, folks- I seem to learn something every time I sit down and look at the plans or pictures of the Pietenpol. Last night I was looking at the Pete Bowers article on the Piet from back in the 60's and noticed in the 3-view (very informative, by the way, and clearer than the BHP plans 3-views in many details) that the wing flop panel is asymmetrical... it's wider on the port side to make entry easier. Coincidentally, I was browsing through the pictures that Mike Cuy uploaded to the Matronics site and noticed the same thing in a photo of the beautiful yellow Piet. I had never noticed that in the plans or in photos, but there it is. I think most folks make their flop panels symmetrical about the airplane's centerline, but what the heck- it makes sense to make it wider on the entry side of the plane. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:01 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Bower's article..... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" The Sept 2003 issue of Kitplanes has an article on Peter Bowers. Here's and interesting excerpt from that article: "Bowers married his wife, Alice, in 1974. For the occasion, they created a wedding announcement using a photograph of Bowers' restored 1930 Pietenpol Air Camper with the words "Just married" painted on the side." It was most likely the Air Camper (688Y) that's highlighted in the magazine article I sent out. I think it's such a hoot running across someone that appreciates (or appreciated) this design as much as I. OK, there's your trivia for the day. Pretty cool, eh?. I emailed quite a few copies of the article but if you asked for a copy and I didn't reply, send me another note (directly, not on the matronics list, please). I think I got everyone that asked but I'm not really sure.... And I agree with the recent statement someone made about all these flying stories......they are wonderful. Thank you. Jim in Plano ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:49 AM PST US From: "L&B hickman" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "L&B hickman" I mailed 2 CDs for this and forgot to let you know they were coming. Probably there by now. Didn't get to go this year, work got in the way :( Thanks, Linzy Hickman Rt 1 Box 65 Rockport, WV 26169 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" > > I took quite a few pictures (don't you just love digital technology?). > > Filled up a couple cd's. > > I would be happy to burn a copy of each if anyone wants copies. > > Just send me an sase CD mailer (if you want to send a couple blank cd's, > cool. but that's not necessary....). > > Chuck G made an observation that I completely agree with.....it all went by > WAY too fast.... > > Jim in Plano > > 2508 Pickwick Ln > Plano, TX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead/Oshkosh Pictures > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > Great pics, Jim Markle. I just sent the Matronics photoshare a bunch > that > > I took at Brodhead, but they haven't posted them yet. I'll pass along the > > link in another e-mail for everyone to take a look at as soon as he gets > > them on-line. > > > > Mike C. > > > > do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:56 PM PST US From: "w b evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Jim, I assume you have small tires and/or a step, and/or a higher wing than standard. I built with the original "V" gear with the 21" O.D. tires. I'm 6'3" and after I do a high kick, like the Rockettes, get my leg in, my left toe is "toedancing" to get me to the hole. Now as I rest some butt weight on the turtledeck, so I can reach forward to grab a strut, I'm right in the center of my circular cutout. There is no way I would be able to get in with out the cutout. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "dpilot" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > Why in the world does anybody need a flop panel? > I have moved my wing 6.5 inches to the rear, and the rain doesn't drip in the rear seat, > and I have no problem getting in or out. > I am 6'6" tall, 260 pounds and 70 years old. > Seems to me a lot younger and smaller guys are less able to bend! > JimV. > > > "Hubbard, Eugene" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > I couldn't figure out how to do an assymetrical flop panel on a 3-piece > wing. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Y'know, folks- I seem to learn something every time I sit down and look at > the plans or pictures of the Pietenpol. Last night I was looking at the > Pete Bowers article on the Piet from back in the 60's and noticed in the > 3-view (very informative, by the way, and clearer than the BHP plans 3-views > > in many details) that the wing flop panel is asymmetrical... it's wider on > the port side to make entry easier. Coincidentally, I was browsing through > the pictures that Mike Cuy uploaded to the Matronics site and noticed the > same thing in a photo of the beautiful yellow Piet. I had never noticed > that in the plans or in photos, but there it is. > > I think most folks make their flop panels symmetrical about the airplane's > centerline, but what the heck- it makes sense to make it wider on the entry > side of the plane. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:57 PM PST US From: dpilot Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot Mr. Pietenpol told me it was ok to raise my wing up as much as 4 inches. So I did. I can easily stand with my left foot on the ground and put my right foot on the seat and stick my body over the right side of the fuselage as far as possible and turn around and sit down. As I said, I'm old, fat and stiff, but it's really no problem JimV. w b evans wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" Jim, I assume you have small tires and/or a step, and/or a higher wing than standard. I built with the original "V" gear with the 21" O.D. tires. I'm 6'3" and after I do a high kick, like the Rockettes, get my leg in, my left toe is "toedancing" to get me to the hole. Now as I rest some butt weight on the turtledeck, so I can reach forward to grab a strut, I'm right in the center of my circular cutout. There is no way I would be able to get in with out the cutout. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "dpilot" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot > > Why in the world does anybody need a flop panel? > I have moved my wing 6.5 inches to the rear, and the rain doesn't drip in the rear seat, > and I have no problem getting in or out. > I am 6'6" tall, 260 pounds and 70 years old. > Seems to me a lot younger and smaller guys are less able to bend! > JimV. > > > "Hubbard, Eugene" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" > > I couldn't figure out how to do an assymetrical flop panel on a 3-piece > wing. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Y'know, folks- I seem to learn something every time I sit down and look at > the plans or pictures of the Pietenpol. Last night I was looking at the > Pete Bowers article on the Piet from back in the 60's and noticed in the > 3-view (very informative, by the way, and clearer than the BHP plans 3-views > > in many details) that the wing flop panel is asymmetrical... it's wider on > the port side to make entry easier. Coincidentally, I was browsing through > the pictures that Mike Cuy uploaded to the Matronics site and noticed the > same thing in a photo of the beautiful yellow Piet. I had never noticed > that in the plans or in photos, but there it is. > > I think most folks make their flop panels symmetrical about the airplane's > centerline, but what the heck- it makes sense to make it wider on the entry > side of the plane. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > --------------------------------- > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:03 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying stories --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Corky, Are you reading? Hope you are not ;-) Hope that Sport Pilot regs get going soon. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. --- Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > > I have a plan worked out for when I lose my medical to make my last > flight > in style, but I'm not telling anybody the details. It's an easy stunt > and > nobody is going to get hurt, but people will be talking about it for > a > while, and I plan on remaining anonymous. > > I'm not expecting to lose my medical any time soon, but family > history > isn't pretty. With the new sport-pilot regs, it may never happen. > > Jim Ash > > > At 8/14/2003 07:27 AM -0500, you wrote: > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > > >Sorry for the delayed reaction on the fictional story about flying > alongside > >a moving train, but I've been out of town and am just getting caught > up on > >my emails. Wonderful story, and just the kind of thing low and slow > fliers > >find exhilarating about flying the Piet. For my own part, ever > since living > >in Oregon and seeing a sign along Hwy. 101 saying that the Thomas > Creek > >bridge is the highest in the state, I've thought 'what if' about > flying > >under it. Not too easy; see a picture at > >http://www.odot.state.or.us/eshtm/tomcr.htm . But just as > thrilling, more > >historic, and far easier would be the second-highest, the Crooked > River > >bridge, which was once the highest in the U.S. and a picture at > >http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/crooked/history.htm will show > that it > >would be a cinch (except in the gusty gorge winds, which means most > of the > >time except early morning). > > > >Just dreamin', folks... don't get all in an uproar about the safety > >issues... > > > >Oscar Zuniga (do not archive) > >San Antonio, TX > >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:48 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying stories --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Gary, 1. Never volunteer for anything 2. He who asks questions gets answers 3. My Dr says I'm ok. Good eyes, reflexies, blood pressure, nerves, attitude, just deaf'ern hell. Don't use a radio so that's not important. 4. Soooooooooooooo who gives a damn about waiting for those beauros to get off their dead Clinton and pass a ruling. Not this rebel Guess who in La ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:48 PM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Stories & TP !! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" Chuck, Ten plus years ago the farmers around here were getting puzzled about piles of TP out in their fields -- till our neighbor admitted that he was clipping (or trying as you may know!) the streamer on the way down. Alan did get 'em a couple times -- said it took him a day & 1/2 to get the bits & pieces out of the cylinder fins after a "direct hit" -- it may only take you 4 or 5 hours with the open cowling!! Mike C. PP, KS do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:57 PM PST US From: "James Dallas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Flying Stories !! Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:10:01 -0500 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" The bad things I've taught you!!! Jim D ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More Flying Stories !! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Each and every flight in a Pietenpol is an adventure in itself, be it local or cross country. I can relate to Bob's fictional train story. The last train I spotted, I climbed to attack altitude of 800' AGL, pull power and rolled in for a fictional strafing run, entering a high speed 75 mph dive, and squeezed off a burst from my pretend Vickers machine gun on the front three cars and engine. Pulling up, over 500 feet from the engine, I was hoping he was a lousy shot. I felt like Europe, 1918 !! Bank back and forth in front of the engine, then flew parallel for a while, gave 'em a salute, and peeled off. Too Cool !! Hey, here is the way I estimate my ground speed. When flying IFR (I follow Roads), it's very challenging to keep the shadow of my plane on the road, just in front of a car or truck, especially in the heat of the day when thermals beat me around. I can now see how the speed of traffic relates to my shadow. The speed limit of the turnpike is 70 mph, and most traffic slowly gains on me. Assuming most vehicles travel 75 mph, this puts my cruise speed right around 70 mph !! Who needs stop watches or GPS !! On most local flights, I keep two rolls of Toilet Paper onboard, one on each side of my hips. Ya know you can buy a pack of 20 rolls for about $4 bucks at Wal Mart. I can usually flush someone out of the house of one my friends, by doing a low pass (over 500') flying overhead at full power, and letting the exhaust note knock on the door. When I see them come out, I give 'em a wing wag, and climb to T.P. bomb drop altitude of over 1000' AGL, and trying to correct for wind speed and direction, I let go with a rolling action of my wrist and arm, so the whole roll unravels. Slight roll left to keep an eye on the unrolled paper, it really gives me a feel for how fast I'm actually traveling...it gets small really fast!! The thing is so light, and falls so slow, that any slight breeze blows it way off target. Once in a while I get it to land within 1/4 mile. On several occasions, I'll climb to the highest altitude I've ever been to - around 3000' AGL, and let one go, and circle back around and see if I can cut it...very difficult to do. I haven't got a cut yet, but it sure is a Hoot to try !! Chuck G. More flying stories to come !! ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:49 PM PST US From: "James Dallas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long-time auditor Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:13:58 -0500 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" John, there is a guy on the corvair list that is just South of Chicago that is always selling engines. I will try and get his name. Jim D ----- Original Message ----- From: john e fay To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long-time auditor --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay > Last Fall I started building my Piet. I will use the Corvair and have three > engines > waiting. > Arden Adamson > > Waupaca, WI > Arden, Do you know where there are any more of those engines available. John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:51 PM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying stories --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying stories +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Corky, Good for you, what can they do to you anyway? John +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Gary, > > 1. Never volunteer for anything > > 2. He who asks questions gets answers > > 3. My Dr says I'm ok. Good eyes, reflexies, blood pressure, nerves, attitude, > just deaf'ern hell. Don't use a radio so that's not important. > > 4. Soooooooooooooo who gives a damn about waiting for those beauros to get > off their dead Clinton and pass a ruling. Not this rebel > > Guess who in La > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:47 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Flying Stories !! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 8/14/03 9:19:17 PM Central Daylight Time, BEC176@msn.com writes: << The bad things I've taught you!!! >> Why is it always the bad things that are so much fun ?? !! Hey Jim, or anyone else, are you going to Blakesburg Iowa at the end of the month? Another adventure in the works !! Chuck G. working on a tailwheel, and front seatbelt harness. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:55 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif I've always assumed the same--pilot entry from the left. And yet, all the front cockpit doors I've seen are on the right. ?????? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > I think most folks make their flop panels symmetrical about the airplane's > centerline, but what the heck- it makes sense to make it wider on the entry > side of the plane. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:08 PM PST US From: clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/13/03 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif Garth, Have you tried your local CORSA chapter? I found a guy with two engines, one for $100 Canadian and the other, still in the car and running fine for $250 Can, thats $70 and 170 US. Well I bought the cheap one of course and it turned out partialy unusable so I bit the bullet, phoned him and yes he still had the other. He sold me that one for the difference since the first didn't work out. So I have 1 3/4 engines for 250. I have been offered another engine( haven't seen it.) free from another Piet guy not on the list. One point is, once you put the word out in your local aviation community good things seem to happen. I thought I'd NEVER get one, now three!! Have patience, it will come. Another thing is that there are Piet builders that for one reason or another don't want to become involved on the web. There's probably at least one such in your area. There's four I know of within 3 hrs of me. And another Piet hanging in a museum, unflown. Corsa--http://www.corvair.org/ Clif Dawson, Another member of the Raven family. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com > > Arden, > I've just started my search for a Corvair and have not had much luck > finding anything to overhaul under $500. Since you have accumulated three, I > thought I would ask if you might suggest where I might start shopping for an > engine to build up. > Garth Dawson >