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1. 03:36 AM - Re: wing flop panel (John Dilatush)
2. 04:04 AM - Re: More Flying Stories !! (Gene Rambo)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: More Flying Stories !! (Jim Markle)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: More Flying Stories !! (Jack Textor)
5. 07:08 AM - Corvair engines (Arden Adamson)
6. 09:23 AM - Re: wing flop panel (Carl Loar)
7. 01:43 PM - Re: wing flop panel (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
8. 02:14 PM - Re: wing flop panel (Hubbard, Eugene)
9. 04:50 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 27 Msgs - 08/14/03 (ANNCARLEK@aol.com)
10. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - (Jim Ash)
11. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - (Jim Ash)
12. 10:55 PM - Re: wing flop panel (clif)
13. 11:38 PM - Re: wing flop panel (Peter W Johnson)
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| Subject: | Re: wing flop panel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "clif" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Clif,
I'ts tradition, you always mount your horse from the left side, but ladies
wish to enter their carriage from the right, which is curb side to avoid the
mud. :o)
John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
> I've always assumed the same--pilot entry from
> the left. And yet, all the front cockpit doors I've
> seen are on the right. ??????
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > I think most folks make their flop panels symmetrical about the
airplane's
> > centerline, but what the heck- it makes sense to make it wider on the
> entry
> > side of the plane.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More Flying Stories !! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
I am taking my Travel Air to Blakesburg, and back to Brodhead. Actually,
after doing the test flights, I am ferrying another guy's newly-restored
Travel Air as far as Illinois, having someone ferry mine to me in Ill, and
we are flying the two to Blakesburg together. This year is supposed to be a
Travel Air reunion at Blakesburg, something like 15 or so now claim to be
coming if the weather cooperates.
Gene
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Flying Stories !!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/14/03 9:19:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
BEC176@msn.com
> writes:
>
> << The bad things I've taught you!!! >>
>
> Why is it always the bad things that are so much fun ?? !!
>
> Hey Jim, or anyone else, are you going to Blakesburg Iowa at the end of
the
> month? Another adventure in the works !!
>
> Chuck G.
> working on a tailwheel, and front seatbelt harness.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More Flying Stories !! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Wow, Blakesburg...that WOULD be an adventure.....it's definitely on my
"Where I'll Fly My Pietenpol" list...but....NO!!!! No more temptations!!!!
I'm going to my workshop (the garage) and getting back to work.....
One of my smart alecky friends looked at my center section last night and
observed that I only have 28' of a 30' wing left to complete......
Back to building for me......
jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Flying Stories !!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/14/03 9:19:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
BEC176@msn.com
> writes:
>
> << The bad things I've taught you!!! >>
>
> Why is it always the bad things that are so much fun ?? !!
>
> Hey Jim, or anyone else, are you going to Blakesburg Iowa at the end of
the
> month? Another adventure in the works !!
>
> Chuck G.
> working on a tailwheel, and front seatbelt harness.
>
>
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| Subject: | More Flying Stories !! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jack Textor <Jack@personnelincorporated.com>
Chuck,
I will be there, sans airplane. It is a great fly-in, usually a half dozen
Piets. I'm hoping to catch my first ride in one. I'm building an RV 8 but
thinking seriously about starting a Piet. Who knows. Hope to meet you.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Flying Stories !!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Wow, Blakesburg...that WOULD be an adventure.....it's definitely on my
"Where I'll Fly My Pietenpol" list...but....NO!!!! No more temptations!!!!
I'm going to my workshop (the garage) and getting back to work.....
One of my smart alecky friends looked at my center section last night and
observed that I only have 28' of a 30' wing left to complete......
Back to building for me......
jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Flying Stories !!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/14/03 9:19:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
BEC176@msn.com
> writes:
>
> << The bad things I've taught you!!! >>
>
> Why is it always the bad things that are so much fun ?? !!
>
> Hey Jim, or anyone else, are you going to Blakesburg Iowa at the end of
the
> month? Another adventure in the works !!
>
> Chuck G.
> working on a tailwheel, and front seatbelt harness.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Arden Adamson" <adamson@wnmdag.org>
John & Garth,
I purchased my three Corvair engines (correct serial numbers according
to W. Wynne) from an older gentleman who had been a Corvair buff for
many years. He said he was now too old and wanted to sell all his
parts. He had a real collection. I found him on the Corvair club web
site. He lives near Sheboygan, WI and said he has about 50 engines. He
sold me three for $25 each. That's right, $25 each for a total of $75.
I believe they are good rebuildable engines. Also purchased two of the
preferred oil coolers for $15. His name is Bob Ehrenreich,
(920-458-1170). Hope this helps.
Arden
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| Subject: | Re: wing flop panel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Walt,,, Me too, Sounds like the same procedure I use to get in.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Jim,
> I assume you have small tires and/or a step, and/or a higher wing than
> standard.
> I built with the original "V" gear with the 21" O.D. tires. I'm 6'3" and
> after I do a high kick, like the Rockettes, get my leg in, my left toe
is
> "toedancing" to get me to the hole. Now as I rest some butt weight on the
> turtledeck, so I can reach forward to grab a strut, I'm right in the
center
> of my circular cutout.
> There is no way I would be able to get in with out the cutout.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dpilot" <dpilot@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Why in the world does anybody need a flop panel?
> > I have moved my wing 6.5 inches to the rear, and the rain doesn't drip
in
> the rear seat,
> > and I have no problem getting in or out.
> > I am 6'6" tall, 260 pounds and 70 years old.
> > Seems to me a lot younger and smaller guys are less able to bend!
> > JimV.
> >
> >
> > "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com> wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene"
> >
> > I couldn't figure out how to do an assymetrical flop panel on a 3-piece
> > wing.
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com]
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel
> >
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> >
> > Y'know, folks- I seem to learn something every time I sit down and look
at
> > the plans or pictures of the Pietenpol. Last night I was looking at the
> > Pete Bowers article on the Piet from back in the 60's and noticed in the
> > 3-view (very informative, by the way, and clearer than the BHP plans
> 3-views
> >
> > in many details) that the wing flop panel is asymmetrical... it's wider
on
> > the port side to make entry easier. Coincidentally, I was browsing
through
> > the pictures that Mike Cuy uploaded to the Matronics site and noticed
the
> > same thing in a photo of the beautiful yellow Piet. I had never noticed
> > that in the plans or in photos, but there it is.
> >
> > I think most folks make their flop panels symmetrical about the
airplane's
> > centerline, but what the heck- it makes sense to make it wider on the
> entry
> > side of the plane.
> >
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > San Antonio, TX
> > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing flop panel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com
In a message dated 8/15/2003 11:24:28 AM Central Standard Time,
skycarl@megsinet.net writes:
> I couldn't figure out how to do an assymetrical flop panel on a 3-piece
> >>wing.
> >>
> >>Gene
>
Gene
Terminate the aft end of your root fairings at the front edge of the flop.
Extend your flop width to fill the 3" root gap to within 1/4 " (after covering
allowance) of the wing root ribs on either side. You'll be surprised at the
added room this small amount will give you. And, you can board from either the
right or left side. This assumes you are building according to the plans and
are NOT using the "gapless" Gary (Kerri Ann) Price design. My cabanes have not
been raised and I have no trouble getting in, standing up (with the flop open)
and sliding into the seat.
Don Hicks
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
Already did it that way, and it works fine. But it's symmetric... ;-)
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Waytogopiet@aol.com [mailto:Waytogopiet@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Waytogopiet@aol.com
In a message dated 8/15/2003 11:24:28 AM Central Standard Time,
skycarl@megsinet.net writes:
> I couldn't figure out how to do an assymetrical flop panel on a 3-piece
> >>wing.
> >>
> >>Gene
>
Gene
Terminate the aft end of your root fairings at the front edge of the flop.
Extend your flop width to fill the 3" root gap to within 1/4 " (after
covering
allowance) of the wing root ribs on either side. You'll be surprised at the
added room this small amount will give you. And, you can board from either
the
right or left side. This assumes you are building according to the plans and
are NOT using the "gapless" Gary (Kerri Ann) Price design. My cabanes have
not
been raised and I have no trouble getting in, standing up (with the flop
open)
and sliding into the seat.
Don Hicks
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 27 Msgs - 08/14/03 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com
In a message dated 8/15/03 12:02:37 AM, pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com
writes:
<< From: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel
>>
Someone on this list suggested to me that I could make a "dog-leg" panel for
the flop. My way of thinking just doesn't include asymmetries, so I really
appreciate the suggestion, and that is just what I did. I'm hinging the flop at
the rear spar, so it's going to be easy to get in and out, and I'm using a
handle just like your for an assist. I wish I could remember the suggestor so I
could give him credit!
CARL L @ COMPTON AIRPORT
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - |
08/13/03
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
This is why I asked Garth0, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
>Garth,
>
>Have you tried your local CORSA chapter?
>I found a guy with two engines, one for
>$100 Canadian and the other, still in the car
>and running fine for $250 Can, thats $70 and
>170 US. Well I bought the cheap one of
>course and it turned out partialy unusable so
>I bit the bullet, phoned him and yes he still
>had the other. He sold me that one for the
>difference since the first didn't work out. So
>I have 1 3/4 engines for 250. I have been
>offered another engine( haven't seen it.) free
>from another Piet guy not on the list.
>One point is, once you put the word out in
>your local aviation community good things
>seem to happen.
>
>I thought I'd NEVER get one, now three!!
>Have patience, it will come.
>
>Another thing is that there are Piet builders
>that for one reason or another don't want
>to become involved on the web. There's
>probably at least one such in your area.
>There's four I know of within 3 hrs of me.
>And another Piet hanging in a museum, unflown.
>
>Corsa--http://www.corvair.org/
>
>Clif Dawson, Another member of
> the Raven family.
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com
> >
> > Arden,
> > I've just started my search for a Corvair and have not had much
>luck
> > finding anything to overhaul under $500. Since you have accumulated three,
>I
> > thought I would ask if you might suggest where I might start shopping for
>an
> > engine to build up.
> > Garth Dawson
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - |
08/13/03
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
This is why I asked Garth where he was located. I could probably find him
the local people, and depending on where he's located, I might know a few
of them personally.
I've driven and worked on Corvairs since the late 70's; raced, rallied,
autocrossed, you name it. I've rebuilt my own engines more times than I can
remember. I've been a member of Central Florida Corvairs for 13 years, as a
guess. I was president for two years. We put on a yearly show that draws
cars from all over the southeast. I'm also a long-time Corsa member. My
customer number with Clark's is so low it gets comments sometimes.
Currently, I've got a '61 Lakewood and an Ultravan with a shot engine, but
I have a good 110 and transaxle waiting to be rebuilt and put in it. I've
got 4 other engines and I don't know how many transaxles in my basement,
including two 140's (no 110's, sorry guys). If I could find a decent
late-model coupe or convertible that wasn't priced like a senoir points
car, I'd probably pick it up. I've known William Wynne for a good number of
years; he used to deal cores with one of our members, and I've seen him at
Sun 'n Fun more than once. I bought his book many years back just to see
what he was up to.
Corvair stuff isn't hard to find if you know the right people, and it
doesn't have to be expensive. But it's an insiders game. Fortunately
getting on the inside isn't that hard.
Jim Ash
At 8/14/2003 10:13 PM -0700, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
>Garth,
>
>Have you tried your local CORSA chapter?
>I found a guy with two engines, one for
>$100 Canadian and the other, still in the car
>and running fine for $250 Can, thats $70 and
>170 US. Well I bought the cheap one of
>course and it turned out partialy unusable so
>I bit the bullet, phoned him and yes he still
>had the other. He sold me that one for the
>difference since the first didn't work out. So
>I have 1 3/4 engines for 250. I have been
>offered another engine( haven't seen it.) free
>from another Piet guy not on the list.
>One point is, once you put the word out in
>your local aviation community good things
>seem to happen.
>
>I thought I'd NEVER get one, now three!!
>Have patience, it will come.
>
>Another thing is that there are Piet builders
>that for one reason or another don't want
>to become involved on the web. There's
>probably at least one such in your area.
>There's four I know of within 3 hrs of me.
>And another Piet hanging in a museum, unflown.
>
>Corsa--http://www.corvair.org/
>
>Clif Dawson, Another member of
> the Raven family.
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gsrth@aol.com
> >
> > Arden,
> > I've just started my search for a Corvair and have not had much
>luck
> > finding anything to overhaul under $500. Since you have accumulated three,
>I
> > thought I would ask if you might suggest where I might start shopping for
>an
> > engine to build up.
> > Garth Dawson
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing flop panel |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Well, That sounds like a Pietenpol
kind of thing to do. No plans for a
door, but if I do, it'l be on the right.
Thanks, Clif
> Clif,
>
> I'ts tradition, you always mount your horse from the left side, but ladies
> wish to enter their carriage from the right, which is curb side to avoid
the
> mud. :o)
>
> John
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
So I'll put my door on the left!
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clif
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing flop panel
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Well, That sounds like a Pietenpol
kind of thing to do. No plans for a
door, but if I do, it'l be on the right.
Thanks, Clif
> Clif,
>
> I'ts tradition, you always mount your horse from the left side, but
> ladies wish to enter their carriage from the right, which is curb side
> to avoid
the
> mud. :o)
>
> John
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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