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1. 03:41 AM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (dpilot)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Wood Prop & Rain (John Dilatush)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Richard Schreiber)
4. 06:10 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 07:11 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (w b evans)
7. 07:58 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 ()
8. 08:05 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (Barry Davis)
9. 08:17 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (dpilot)
10. 08:20 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 08/20/03 (Craig Lawler)
11. 08:20 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 08/20/03 (Craig Lawler)
12. 08:38 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (Barry Davis)
13. 09:04 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (Barry Davis)
14. 09:37 AM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
15. 10:30 AM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (shad bell)
16. 10:35 AM - work bench length (Jeff Cours)
17. 11:09 AM - Iron Butt Award to Chuck Ganzter (Michael D Cuy)
18. 11:22 AM - fatal Piet crash in Indiana August. 3rd, 2003 (Michael D Cuy)
19. 11:31 AM - Re: work bench length (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
20. 11:47 AM - Re: fatal Piet crash in Indiana August. 3rd, 2003 (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
21. 01:13 PM - Re: C-90 or O-200 (dpilot)
22. 02:38 PM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Carbarvo@aol.com)
23. 03:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Dick and Marge Gillespie)
24. 05:27 PM - Re: work bench length (Richard Schreiber)
25. 05:34 PM - Re: work bench length (Peter W Johnson)
26. 07:34 PM - Re: (Wizzard187@aol.com)
27. 07:40 PM - Re: work bench length (Alex Sloan)
28. 07:43 PM - Re: work bench length (Alex Sloan)
29. 08:00 PM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (w b evans)
30. 08:04 PM - Re: work bench length (Larry Neal)
31. 08:16 PM - Re: (w b evans)
32. 09:57 PM - Re: (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
33. 10:48 PM - Re: work bench length (clif)
34. 11:02 PM - Re: (Rcaprd@aol.com)
35. 11:38 PM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (clif)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
Wait a minute, isn't the Marion you want in Ohio?
JimV.
Richard Schreiber <schreib@netnitco.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Schreiber
Guys:
I am a long way from having my Piet done, but my wife and I will be
flying our Tripacer to Marion for the flyin. My Daughter lives in Muncie
just SE of Marion, so we plan on going to Muncie, picking her up and
then flying back to Marion. I saw in the MERFI flyers that Pietenpol's
were going to be featured so I new I had to go.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
Michael D Cuy wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
>
>Guys--- Long time Piet supporter, Virgil Phillips has asked that we bring
>as many flying Piets to the Mideastern Regional Fly-In (MERFI) at Marion,
>Ohio this weekend. The biggest day is Saturday. If everything works out
>we could have as many as five of us there. Come if you can ! If all of
>us make it we'll have Larry W. Jim K. Frank P. Wilbur G. and me. For more
>info see sites below.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
>22-24, Fri-Sun. EAA Mid-Eastern Fly-In, Marion Municipal Airport (MNN),
>Marion, OH. Call 440-352-1781.
>
>http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/030522_merfi.html
>
>http://www.marionairport.com/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop & Rain |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Prop & Rain
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chuck,
Thanks for the OK. I'll have the newsletter out sometime next month and
send you a copy then if you will let me have your mailing address.
Yes, you do have a future as an aviation writer!
John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/20/03 7:46:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
> dilatush@amigo.net writes:
>
> << I am the newsletter editor of our chapter and would like with your
> permission to reprint your e-mail in our newsletter
>
> May I do this? >>
>
> John,
> Yes, you sure can print it !! I would be honored to have it printed in
your
> newsletter. One thing I forgot to mention about the prop. Upon landing,
I
> closely inspected the prop for any sign of damage. The only thing I found
was
> that the Ace Spar Varnish on just the very leading edge had a matt finish
to
> it...that's all !! Hey...maybe I have a writing career ahead.
>
> from trees & rags,
> to stick & rudder !!
> Pietenpols Forever !!
>
> Chuck Gantzer
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Schreiber <schreib@netnitco.net>
Yes it is. I realized the mistake just after I sent the e-mail. I still
plan on going to Marion, Ohio that is.
dpilot wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>Wait a minute, isn't the Marion you want in Ohio?
>JimV.
>
>
>Richard Schreiber <schreib@netnitco.net> wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Schreiber
>
>Guys:
>I am a long way from having my Piet done, but my wife and I will be
>flying our Tripacer to Marion for the flyin. My Daughter lives in Muncie
>just SE of Marion, so we plan on going to Muncie, picking her up and
>then flying back to Marion. I saw in the MERFI flyers that Pietenpol's
>were going to be featured so I new I had to go.
>
>Rick Schreiber
>Valparaiso, IN
>
>Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
>>
>>Guys--- Long time Piet supporter, Virgil Phillips has asked that we bring
>>as many flying Piets to the Mideastern Regional Fly-In (MERFI) at Marion,
>>Ohio this weekend. The biggest day is Saturday. If everything works out
>>we could have as many as five of us there. Come if you can ! If all of
>>us make it we'll have Larry W. Jim K. Frank P. Wilbur G. and me. For more
>>info see sites below.
>>
>>Mike C.
>>
>>
>>22-24, Fri-Sun. EAA Mid-Eastern Fly-In, Marion Municipal Airport (MNN),
>>Marion, OH. Call 440-352-1781.
>>
>>http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/030522_merfi.html
>>
>>http://www.marionairport.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Terry,
I appreciated reading your e mail about converting from A 65. Here is my
plight:
I bought a A 65 locally from a friend, removed the cylinders, had an old time
a/c engine rebuilder check them. He took them to bore out +15. After 4 months
he had done nil, nothing. I decided to retrieve all my parts and start again
elsewhere. Glen Ramsey, El Reno Avn suggested I send them to Sentry in Ft
Worth which I did. After several weeks Sentry called saying the cyl had been bored
out over +20 and they were rejects but could possibly be chromed so off to
Tulsa they went. Next report was two could and two couldn't. Suggested they may
be silvered. So off to San Antonia for that process. Called after a couple of
weeks and Sentry was unable to give me any report saying San Antonia was too
busy to inform him.
That's the way I'm sitting now. Not very comfortable as I know little or
nothing about these processes. If the cyl are finally rejected could there be a
way to use some other cyl which may be more available less expensive than those
65's. Sentry has made a point each time I talk with them that they have plenty
of rebuilt 65 cyl at 550 each.
Can you assit me in anyway?
Corky in La
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Corky,
Wow....you have been thru the ringer.
First let me say I stand corrected about prop pitch. Chuck Gantzer reminded me
that the "40" dash # on the Sensenich prop does not refer to angular degrees
of pitch. However it is a relative unit of pitch. Chuck states... "the '40'
stands for 'Inches of forward travel, no slip". The angular measurement would
be something more like 12 to 15 degrees out about 30 inches from the hub.
Anyway....about the cost difference between A65 and C90 cylinders, heres what I
was basing my logic on.
The following prices are listed on the ECi (Engine Components Inc.) websight for
overhauled nickel plated (cermi-nil) cylinders - complete assy including valves,
rockers, pistons, rings fitted, gapped, assembled, plus gasket set.
A65 assy = $949
C90 assy = $673
Thats a total difference of $1104.00 for 4 cylinders. Those prices are before
core credit. You'll perhaps find smaller or larger differences if you shop around.
But the difference is enough to justify the case mod. ECi can bore your
case for a fee of about $400, however you should be able to find a good machinist
to do it for quite a bit less than ECi.
The bottom line is you should be able to save significantly by building an engine
this way. And you'd save a LOT at the next overhaul since the machine work
won't need redone.
Unfortunately, it sounds like your cylinders may not be acceptable for core credit.
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Corky,
You could try my old buddy Dick Lawson. 973-383-7821.
Seems whenever I go there, I'm stepping over all types of cylinders.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 or O-200
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Terry,
> I appreciated reading your e mail about converting from A 65. Here is my
> plight:
> I bought a A 65 locally from a friend, removed the cylinders, had an old
time
> a/c engine rebuilder check them. He took them to bore out +15. After 4
months
> he had done nil, nothing. I decided to retrieve all my parts and start
again
> elsewhere. Glen Ramsey, El Reno Avn suggested I send them to Sentry in Ft
> Worth which I did. After several weeks Sentry called saying the cyl had
been bored
> out over +20 and they were rejects but could possibly be chromed so off to
> Tulsa they went. Next report was two could and two couldn't. Suggested
they may
> be silvered. So off to San Antonia for that process. Called after a couple
of
> weeks and Sentry was unable to give me any report saying San Antonia was
too
> busy to inform him.
>
> That's the way I'm sitting now. Not very comfortable as I know little or
> nothing about these processes. If the cyl are finally rejected could there
be a
> way to use some other cyl which may be more available less expensive than
those
> 65's. Sentry has made a point each time I talk with them that they have
plenty
> of rebuilt 65 cyl at 550 each.
>
> Can you assit me in anyway?
>
> Corky in La
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Craig
Try contacting Alan James in England at MADjames@theknapp.freeserve.co.uk his
Air Camper has a C-90 and as I hear he flies out of a small grass strip with
trees, hills and wires. He may also know how to contact the person
who flies a O-200 Piet in England.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
Quoting Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
>
> I have a C-65 Piet with about 400 hours. We are flying off a 1,200ft
> strip and the pucker factor with two people in the plane is a little
> much. Do any of you have any experience with the more powerful engines
> on the Piet. What prop is best on a C-90 or O-200? Is the performance
> improvement worth the change? Will my current engine mount work? I think
> the cases are the same? I appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig Lawler
> 899CL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
We have an engine builder in our EAA Chapter. He can work wonders on
experimental engines, like flow-matching the heads, higher compression
pistons, hotter cam, etc. He does a lot of engines for the RV builders. He
also loves the 65,75,85 and O-200 engines. I have one of these engines with
about 300 hours on it now and it is still as smooth as it was new. I'm not
advertising for him, but he has some great ideas for engines, just don't
mention auto fuel. Don Swords email is donsdream1@aol.com He has a lot of
good ideas and it doesn't cost anything to ask.
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Lawler" <clawler@ptd.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: C-90 or O-200
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
>
> I have a C-65 Piet with about 400 hours. We are flying off a 1,200ft
> strip and the pucker factor with two people in the plane is a little
> much. Do any of you have any experience with the more powerful engines
> on the Piet. What prop is best on a C-90 or O-200? Is the performance
> improvement worth the change? Will my current engine mount work? I think
> the cases are the same? I appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig Lawler
> 899CL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
Don't mention Auto fuel???>?
Does this guy have a secret supply of 80 Octane aviation fuel?
I don't think so.
100 Low Lead has 4 times the lead of 80.
What does this gent want to use ?
I've used auto fuel almost exclusively for 10 years and 900 hours in my T'craft.
No problems.
Anybody that has trouble with their engine because of using auto fuel will have
trouble with any kind of fuel.
If an engine is put together properly, it will have no trouble no matter what the
fuel.
I will tell what most people do wrong that overhaul engines, if anyone wants to
hear it.
JimV.
Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis"
We have an engine builder in our EAA Chapter. He can work wonders on
experimental engines, like flow-matching the heads, higher compression
pistons, hotter cam, etc. He does a lot of engines for the RV builders. He
also loves the 65,75,85 and O-200 engines. I have one of these engines with
about 300 hours on it now and it is still as smooth as it was new. I'm not
advertising for him, but he has some great ideas for engines, just don't
mention auto fuel. Don Swords email is donsdream1@aol.com He has a lot of
good ideas and it doesn't cost anything to ask.
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Lawler"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: C-90 or O-200
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler
>
> I have a C-65 Piet with about 400 hours. We are flying off a 1,200ft
> strip and the pucker factor with two people in the plane is a little
> much. Do any of you have any experience with the more powerful engines
> on the Piet. What prop is best on a C-90 or O-200? Is the performance
> improvement worth the change? Will my current engine mount work? I think
> the cases are the same? I appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig Lawler
> 899CL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 08/20/03 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
Thanks to Cy and Terry for the help. I am running a 72 33 Culver prop
now. It turns up 2400 in cruise. I am pushing a little to get more than
the equipment is designed to produce. I don't think the Culver is really
a 33. Maybe a 38 or so. I tried a 72 40 Senenich a it was the pits
compared to the Culver. It think they are more durable, but not as efficent.
Craig Lawler
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 08/20/03 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
Thanks to Cy and Terry for the help. I am running a 72 33 Culver prop
now. It turns up 2400 in cruise. I am pushing a little to get more than
the equipment is designed to produce. I don't think the Culver is really
a 33. Maybe a 38 or so. I tried a 72 40 Senenich a it was the pits
compared to the Culver. It think they are more durable, but not as efficent.
Craig Lawler
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
We have an engine builder in our EAA Chapter. He can work wonders on
experimental engines, like flow-matching the heads, higher compression
pistons, hotter cam, etc. He does a lot of engines for the RV builders. He
also loves the 65,75,85 and O-200 engines. I have one of these engines with
about 300 hours on it now and it is still as smooth as it was new. I'm not
advertising for him, but he has some great ideas for engines, just don't
mention auto fuel. Don Swords email is donsdream1@aol.com He has a lot of
good ideas and it doesn't cost anything to ask.
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Lawler" <clawler@ptd.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: C-90 or O-200
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler <clawler@ptd.net>
>
> I have a C-65 Piet with about 400 hours. We are flying off a 1,200ft
> strip and the pucker factor with two people in the plane is a little
> much. Do any of you have any experience with the more powerful engines
> on the Piet. What prop is best on a C-90 or O-200? Is the performance
> improvement worth the change? Will my current engine mount work? I think
> the cases are the same? I appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig Lawler
> 899CL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Jim, didn't mean to stir you up. You're preaching to the choir. I've used
autofuel in my 172 and 150 for about 10 years now with no problems. Its all
I can get at the grass strip. We are building all six Piets to burn auto
also.
I am very interested in the engine building info you have.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "dpilot" <dpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 or O-200
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Don't mention Auto fuel???>?
> Does this guy have a secret supply of 80 Octane aviation fuel?
> I don't think so.
> 100 Low Lead has 4 times the lead of 80.
> What does this gent want to use ?
> I've used auto fuel almost exclusively for 10 years and 900 hours in my
T'craft.
> No problems.
> Anybody that has trouble with their engine because of using auto fuel will
have trouble with any kind of fuel.
> If an engine is put together properly, it will have no trouble no matter
what the fuel.
> I will tell what most people do wrong that overhaul engines, if anyone
wants to hear it.
> JimV.
>
>
> Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis"
>
> We have an engine builder in our EAA Chapter. He can work wonders on
> experimental engines, like flow-matching the heads, higher compression
> pistons, hotter cam, etc. He does a lot of engines for the RV builders. He
> also loves the 65,75,85 and O-200 engines. I have one of these engines
with
> about 300 hours on it now and it is still as smooth as it was new. I'm not
> advertising for him, but he has some great ideas for engines, just don't
> mention auto fuel. Don Swords email is donsdream1@aol.com He has a lot of
> good ideas and it doesn't cost anything to ask.
> Barry Davis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Lawler"
> To:
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: C-90 or O-200
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Craig Lawler
> >
> > I have a C-65 Piet with about 400 hours. We are flying off a 1,200ft
> > strip and the pucker factor with two people in the plane is a little
> > much. Do any of you have any experience with the more powerful engines
> > on the Piet. What prop is best on a C-90 or O-200? Is the performance
> > improvement worth the change? Will my current engine mount work? I think
> > the cases are the same? I appreciate any help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Craig Lawler
> > 899CL
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Jim,
Please share your "what most people do wrong" info. Its thru "lessons learned"
that we can make the world better.
Thanks
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Hello guys i plan on being up at merfi this year hope
to see you all there!
Shad Bell
( father, Gary , is getting close to covering his peit.)
__________________________________
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| Subject: | work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
Hi, everyone -
We've finally unpacked the last of the boxes in the new apartment, and
now it's time to design the work table. The notes with the Piet plans
talk about making it a 16' bench, but I'm trying to make sure that's
about right for a long fuse Air Camper.
From the plans, the long fuse is 14' 4-3/8" without the rudder, which
looks to add 20". I'm assuming that's the source of the 16' dimension.
I'm planning a modular table, with 4 sections of 4' x 30" each, so I can
add an extra interior section if I need to extend it, but I'd sure
rather get it right the first time out.
So, for those of you who've been through this process, or are going
through it now, is a 16'x30" table about the right size for a long fuse
Air Camper? Also, is there anything you ran into with your work table
that you wish you'd done differently?
thanks much,
Jeff C.
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| Subject: | Iron Butt Award to Chuck Ganzter |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Chuck-- I have to hand it to you and guys like Steve E., Ted B. and Duane
W. for flying from afar in a Pietenpol. My little trip from Ohio tain't
nothing compared to the rest of you. Have fun at Blakesburg with your
Piet. Great to meet you and sit for the pork chop dinner with you at
Brodhead. See, all these guys making sawdust and burning their fingers on
hot 4130 parts they just got done grinding are going to be having the same
fun as us in a few years/mos. weeks in some cases.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | fatal Piet crash in Indiana August. 3rd, 2003 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Just got this from a friend via e-mail. I looked up the owner and it was
Tom Young. Don't recall, but was this plane/pilot at Brodhead ? Seems
odd because I flew back home over Indiana a day earlier than this crash.
Mike C.
NTSB Identification: CHI03LA241
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, August 03, 2003 in Peru, IN
Aircraft: Young Pietenpol Air Camper, registration: N81171
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors.
Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been
completed.
On August 3, 2003, about 1400 central daylight time, a Young Pietenpol Air
Camper, N81171, piloted by a recreational pilot, sustained substantial
damage on impact with trees and terrain during a landing at Robinson
Airport (IN33), near Peru, Indiana. The personal flight was operating under
14 CFR Part 91. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of
the accident. No flight plan was on file. The pilot was fatally injured.
The flight originated from Logansport Municipal Airport, near Logansport,
Indiana, at time unknown and was landing at IN33 at the time of the
accident.
At 1355, the Grissom Air Reserve Base, near Peru, Indiana, recorded weather
was: Wind 230 degrees at 11 knots, variable between 200 degrees and 260
degrees; visibility 7 statute miles; sky condition scattered 3,000 feet,
broken 3,500 feet, broken 8,000 feet; temperature 25 degrees C; dew point
18 degrees C; Altimeter 29.90 inches of mercury.
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| Subject: | Re: work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I saw a nice workbench down at Kingsbury TX at the Vintage Aeroplane Association
hangar. They are restoring 2 different WWI Fokkers there and three Bristol
fighters.
The table was designed like a tressel table with racks to store tubing or other
long lengths of materials underneath. It was handy because you could access
the long materials from each side.
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: fatal Piet crash in Indiana August. 3rd, 2003 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
********************************************************************************
** Report created 8/15/2003 Record 6 **
********************************************************************************
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 81171 Make/Model: PIE Description: PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER
Date: 08/03/2003 Time: 1900
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: PERU State: IN Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT HIT TREES WHILE LANDING AT A PRIVATE STRIP, ONE PERSON ON BOARD
WAS FATALLY INJURED, PERU, IN
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: KGUS 031855Z 23011KT 20011KT 200V260 7SM SCT030 BKN035 BKN035 BKN080 25/18
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation
Departed: LOGANSPORT, IN Dep Date: 08/03/2003 Dep. Time: 1900
Destination: ROBERTSON FIELD PERU Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont: NONE
Last Clearance: NONE
FAA FSDO: SOUTH BEND, IN (GL17) Entry date: 08/04/2003
********************************************************************************
********************************************************************************
********************************************************************************
** Report created 8/15/2003 Record 2 **
********************************************************************************
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 317PP Make/Model: EXP Description: EXP-PIETENPOL ACMPR GN
Date: 08/03/2003 Time: 1730
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: EAST WENATCHEE State: WA Country: US
DESCRIPTION
LANDING GEAR FOLDED DURING TAXI TEST, EAST WENATCHEE, WA
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: METAR KEAT 021655Z AUTO 29011KT 10SM CLR 26/07 A2991
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Taxi Operation: General Aviation
Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: SPOKANE, WA (NM13) Entry date: 08/04/2003
********************************************************************************
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 or O-200 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dpilot <dpilot@yahoo.com>
I will always respond to a well asked question.
I may "bait the hook" a little to stress the importance.
The place where people go wrong is in not knowing the most important
dimention/tolerance information in the list of limits.
One is more important than any other.
It is the most important
Do it wrong and the engine is destined to have problems.
And it is not real easy to do.
JimV.
BARNSTMR@aol.com wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Jim,
Please share your "what most people do wrong" info. Its thru "lessons learned"
that we can make the world better.
Thanks
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
Hi Shad....about the Piet that's being covered......I'm covering mine now.
The Stitts manual describes a method of covering a negative camber wing and I
don't like it. They want you to riblace before tauting the fabric. That means
before sealing. I plan to glue the fabric to the underside of the ribs when I
first put the fabric on, then iron the fabric, then seal with Polybrush, then
ribstich. The question is: Is the Stitts Polytack going to be strong enough to
hold the fabric in place while it is being tauted. What do you think?
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <margdick@peganet.com>
I used the Poly-Fiber process exactly as directed and it worked great.
DickG.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Carbarvo@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
>
> Hi Shad....about the Piet that's being covered......I'm covering mine now.
> The Stitts manual describes a method of covering a negative camber wing
and I
> don't like it. They want you to riblace before tauting the fabric. That
means
> before sealing. I plan to glue the fabric to the underside of the ribs
when I
> first put the fabric on, then iron the fabric, then seal with Polybrush,
then
> ribstich. The question is: Is the Stitts Polytack going to be strong
enough to
> hold the fabric in place while it is being tauted. What do you think?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Schreiber <schreib@netnitco.net>
Jeff I'm glad you asked the question about the fuselage work table. I
just finished my tailfeathers and I am getting ready to do my fuselage.
Have other people used 2 x 10's as the manual says, or is this overkill.
Would 2 x6's with 3/4 inch ply or MDF do the trick.
Thanks
Rick Schreiber
Jeff Cours wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
>Hi, everyone -
>
>We've finally unpacked the last of the boxes in the new apartment, and
>now it's time to design the work table. The notes with the Piet plans
>talk about making it a 16' bench, but I'm trying to make sure that's
>about right for a long fuse Air Camper.
>
> From the plans, the long fuse is 14' 4-3/8" without the rudder, which
>looks to add 20". I'm assuming that's the source of the 16' dimension.
>I'm planning a modular table, with 4 sections of 4' x 30" each, so I can
>add an extra interior section if I need to extend it, but I'd sure
>rather get it right the first time out.
>
>So, for those of you who've been through this process, or are going
>through it now, is a 16'x30" table about the right size for a long fuse
>Air Camper? Also, is there anything you ran into with your work table
>that you wish you'd done differently?
>
>thanks much,
>Jeff C.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@yahoo.com>
Jeff,
I used two 8 foot by 3 foot flooring sheets to get a 16 foot by 3 foot
table. Works a treat.
Peter.
http://cpc-world.cable.nu
(Check out fuse construction, need to get some new pictures on there!!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: work bench length
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Schreiber
--> <schreib@netnitco.net>
Jeff I'm glad you asked the question about the fuselage work table. I
just finished my tailfeathers and I am getting ready to do my fuselage.
Have other people used 2 x 10's as the manual says, or is this overkill.
Would 2 x6's with 3/4 inch ply or MDF do the trick.
Thanks
Rick Schreiber
Jeff Cours wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
>Hi, everyone -
>
>We've finally unpacked the last of the boxes in the new apartment, and
>now it's time to design the work table. The notes with the Piet plans
>talk about making it a 16' bench, but I'm trying to make sure that's
>about right for a long fuse Air Camper.
>
> From the plans, the long fuse is 14' 4-3/8" without the rudder, which
>looks to add 20". I'm assuming that's the source of the 16' dimension.
>I'm planning a modular table, with 4 sections of 4' x 30" each, so I can
>add an extra interior section if I need to extend it, but I'd sure
>rather get it right the first time out.
>
>So, for those of you who've been through this process, or are going
>through it now, is a 16'x30" table about the right size for a long fuse
>Air Camper? Also, is there anything you ran into with your work table
>that you wish you'd done differently?
>
>thanks much,
>Jeff C.
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com
PIETERS, I want to put a new crank seal on a tapershaft cont and wonder if
anyone knows how to remove the prop flange from the crank. I know I can
split the case and use a split seal but prefer not to. There is not enough
room behind the flange to get a seal in.
Any help would be appreciated.
Ken Conrad in Hot Iowa
The overhaul manuals don't give a clue
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| Subject: | Re: work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Jeff,
I built my fuselage on a 16' work table and had room to spare. It is the
stretch fuselage. It is now sitting on the table glued together. My work
shop is so small I have to leave it there and stand on stools to work on the
inside. I have all the plywood glued on.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Cours" <piet-j@moriarti.org>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: work bench length
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
> Hi, everyone -
>
> We've finally unpacked the last of the boxes in the new apartment, and
> now it's time to design the work table. The notes with the Piet plans
> talk about making it a 16' bench, but I'm trying to make sure that's
> about right for a long fuse Air Camper.
>
> From the plans, the long fuse is 14' 4-3/8" without the rudder, which
> looks to add 20". I'm assuming that's the source of the 16' dimension.
> I'm planning a modular table, with 4 sections of 4' x 30" each, so I can
> add an extra interior section if I need to extend it, but I'd sure
> rather get it right the first time out.
>
> So, for those of you who've been through this process, or are going
> through it now, is a 16'x30" table about the right size for a long fuse
> Air Camper? Also, is there anything you ran into with your work table
> that you wish you'd done differently?
>
> thanks much,
> Jeff C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Terry,
I have my spars and extra spruce and all the 4130 stored under the 16' work
table.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: <BARNSTMR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: work bench length
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
> I saw a nice workbench down at Kingsbury TX at the Vintage Aeroplane
Association hangar. They are restoring 2 different WWI Fokkers there and
three Bristol fighters.
>
> The table was designed like a tressel table with racks to store tubing or
other long lengths of materials underneath. It was handy because you could
access the long materials from each side.
>
> Terry L. Bowden
> ph 254-715-4773
> fax 254-853-3805
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Me too! Did my Piet wing exactly to the Poly Fiber manual, and it came out
great. Don't try to second guess the professionals. (my 2 cents.....thank
you)
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <margdick@peganet.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie"
<margdick@peganet.com>
>
> I used the Poly-Fiber process exactly as directed and it worked great.
> DickG.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Carbarvo@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Shad....about the Piet that's being covered......I'm covering mine
now.
> > The Stitts manual describes a method of covering a negative camber wing
> and I
> > don't like it. They want you to riblace before tauting the fabric. That
> means
> > before sealing. I plan to glue the fabric to the underside of the ribs
> when I
> > first put the fabric on, then iron the fabric, then seal with Polybrush,
> then
> > ribstich. The question is: Is the Stitts Polytack going to be strong
> enough to
> > hold the fabric in place while it is being tauted. What do you think?
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Neal" <lneal@ev1.net>
I ripped a sheet of 1/2" ply and made a 2'x16' bench. Spliced two pairs of
10' 2'x4''s with bolts and screwed the ply on top of these, spaced parallel
about 18" apart.
Put the whole thing on top of three plastic workbenches, leveled and snapped
a straight line down the middle. When finished, the whole thing broke down
in ten minutes and is in the loft for use on the next project.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: work bench length
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Jeff,
> I built my fuselage on a 16' work table and had room to spare. It is the
> stretch fuselage. It is now sitting on the table glued together. My work
> shop is so small I have to leave it there and stand on stools to work on
the
> inside. I have all the plywood glued on.
> Alex Sloan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Cours" <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: work bench length
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
> >
> > Hi, everyone -
> >
> > We've finally unpacked the last of the boxes in the new apartment, and
> > now it's time to design the work table. The notes with the Piet plans
> > talk about making it a 16' bench, but I'm trying to make sure that's
> > about right for a long fuse Air Camper.
> >
> > From the plans, the long fuse is 14' 4-3/8" without the rudder, which
> > looks to add 20". I'm assuming that's the source of the 16' dimension.
> > I'm planning a modular table, with 4 sections of 4' x 30" each, so I can
> > add an extra interior section if I need to extend it, but I'd sure
> > rather get it right the first time out.
> >
> > So, for those of you who've been through this process, or are going
> > through it now, is a 16'x30" table about the right size for a long fuse
> > Air Camper? Also, is there anything you ran into with your work table
> > that you wish you'd done differently?
> >
> > thanks much,
> > Jeff C.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Ken,
The books, (Tony B's I think) goes into it in detail. Remove any securing
device, and put a bar about 2 ft. long in the holes of the hub, and pull in
the unwind direction while leaning on the prop. ( Lefty loosie, righty
tighty)
then I had to give the prop hub a whack with a dead blow, like a piece of
4X4 or a sledge hammer hitting the hub thru a block of wood, and it will pop
off.. Next thing you will have the prop and the hub combined in your hand.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <Wizzard187@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Wizzard187@aol.com
>
> PIETERS, I want to put a new crank seal on a tapershaft cont and wonder
if
> anyone knows how to remove the prop flange from the crank. I know I can
> split the case and use a split seal but prefer not to. There is not
enough
> room behind the flange to get a seal in.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Ken Conrad in Hot Iowa
> The overhaul manuals don't give a clue
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
There's an internal snap ring. Be sure you look at it and understand how it
secures the hub before you back off the nut. Wedge a small piece of aluminum
or something to hold it gapped apart so it will not draw together as you back
the hub off. This will save you some grief.
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
My workbench is rather permanent.
4' X 14' as that is the maximum reasonable
length for my shop and I originaly was going
to build the standard short fuse. I think I'm
going for a 14' fuse now. You can see some
shots here.( Ignore the mess please, the
silver stuff on the floor is shavings from
routing aluminum parts for the Corvair.)
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=27
The lower height of a bench like this is
usefull for many projects besides airplanes
so for me it's not a problem being a
permanent fixture in the shop. Besides. I
need more space to handle my insatiable
need to collect the useless bits I may need
someday.
I don't want to change it at all. Good thing
considering.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
> Hi, everyone -
>
> We've finally unpacked the last of the boxes in the new apartment, and
> now it's time to design the work table. The notes with the Piet plans
> talk about making it a 16' bench, but I'm trying to make sure that's
> about right for a long fuse Air Camper.
>
> From the plans, the long fuse is 14' 4-3/8" without the rudder, which
> looks to add 20". I'm assuming that's the source of the 16' dimension.
> I'm planning a modular table, with 4 sections of 4' x 30" each, so I can
> add an extra interior section if I need to extend it, but I'd sure
> rather get it right the first time out.
>
> So, for those of you who've been through this process, or are going
> through it now, is a 16'x30" table about the right size for a long fuse
> Air Camper? Also, is there anything you ran into with your work table
> that you wish you'd done differently?
>
> thanks much,
> Jeff C.
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 8/22/03 12:01:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
BARNSTMR@aol.com writes:
<< There's an internal snap ring. Be sure you look at it and understand how
it
secures the hub before you back off the nut. Wedge a small piece of
aluminum
or something to hold it gapped apart so it will not draw together as you
back
the hub off. This will save you some grief. >>
Ah, yes. I remember this snap ring. It's an internal snap ring, that has
four access holes to squeeze the snap ring clear of the internal portion of the
hub. I made four studs that were a little smaller than the holes, about 3/16"
long, and held them in the holes, and compressed that snap ring with a hose
clamp around the outside of them. Tighten up the hose clamp, after aligning
the little studs within the holes, and the snap ring clears the groove, then the
hub can be threaded off. However, break the tapered shaft loose, before
doing the snap ring thing.
Chuck G.
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Not having done any fabric yet my observations
may be off but it seems to me that stitching
rather than glueing allows some movement to
relieve shrinking stresses. If the ribs are glued
each panel is a seperate entity from it's
neighbours. This may not mean anything in
real life but as you say, the pros stitch for a
reason.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Me too! Did my Piet wing exactly to the Poly Fiber manual, and it came
out
> great. Don't try to second guess the professionals. (my 2
cents.....thank
> you)
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> <margdick@peganet.com>
> >
> > I used the Poly-Fiber process exactly as directed and it worked great.
> > DickG.
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
> > >
> > > Hi Shad....about the Piet that's being covered......I'm covering mine
> now.
> > > The Stitts manual describes a method of covering a negative camber
wing
> > and I
> > > don't like it. They want you to riblace before tauting the fabric.
That
> > means
> > > before sealing. I plan to glue the fabric to the underside of the ribs
> > when I
> > > first put the fabric on, then iron the fabric, then seal with
Polybrush,
> > then
> > > ribstich. The question is: Is the Stitts Polytack going to be strong
> > enough to
> > > hold the fabric in place while it is being tauted. What do you think?
>
>
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