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1. 05:41 AM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Kip & Beth Gardner)
2. 08:31 AM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (w b evans)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: work bench length ()
4. 10:59 AM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Dick and Marge Gillespie)
5. 04:45 PM - Colorado Piet folks (Victorjeanharper@aol.com)
6. 05:41 PM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Carbarvo@aol.com)
7. 06:20 PM - For Sale (Ian Holland)
8. 07:37 PM - Re: For Sale (Alex Sloan)
9. 08:28 PM - Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio (Rcaprd@aol.com)
10. 08:45 PM - Re: Wood Prop & Rain (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 2:38 AM -0400 08/22/03, clif wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
>Not having done any fabric yet my observations
>may be off but it seems to me that stitching
>rather than glueing allows some movement to
>relieve shrinking stresses. If the ribs are glued
>each panel is a seperate entity from it's
>neighbours. This may not mean anything in
>real life but as you say, the pros stitch for a
>reason.
>
>Clif
Group,
I have not done any covering on my own yet, but about 2 years ago I went to
a covering workshop run by Jim (?) & Dondi Miller, the Ohio PolyFiber
distributors. My recollection is that they followed the manual pretty
closely & only glued the fabric down around the edges of the wing panel.
Then they LIGHTLY shrunk the fabric to take out the major wrinkles, but
leaving enough slack in the fabric to conform to the undercamber, followed
by rib stitching and then the final shrinking to get it all tight. As Clif
implied, this distributes the stresses of shrinking evenly across the wing
panel. If you glue to the ribs before shrinking, I think you run the risk
of having bays with more 'wrinkle' than you can heat-shrink out, and others
could be too tight.
My 'learned-once' opinion!
Kip
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Don't get me wrong, but don't try to reinvent the wheel :>).
Get the $10.00 Poly Fiber "how to" book, and all of this is covered in
there. Even the concave wing of the Piet.
It's a step by step book with pictures, and very easy to understand. My ,
now flying Piet, was my second project with Poly Fiber, and I'm sold on it.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> At 2:38 AM -0400 08/22/03, clif wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> >
> >Not having done any fabric yet my observations
> >may be off but it seems to me that stitching
> >rather than glueing allows some movement to
> >relieve shrinking stresses. If the ribs are glued
> >each panel is a seperate entity from it's
> >neighbours. This may not mean anything in
> >real life but as you say, the pros stitch for a
> >reason.
> >
> >Clif
>
> Group,
>
> I have not done any covering on my own yet, but about 2 years ago I went
to
> a covering workshop run by Jim (?) & Dondi Miller, the Ohio PolyFiber
> distributors. My recollection is that they followed the manual pretty
> closely & only glued the fabric down around the edges of the wing panel.
> Then they LIGHTLY shrunk the fabric to take out the major wrinkles, but
> leaving enough slack in the fabric to conform to the undercamber, followed
> by rib stitching and then the final shrinking to get it all tight. As Clif
> implied, this distributes the stresses of shrinking evenly across the wing
> panel. If you glue to the ribs before shrinking, I think you run the risk
> of having bays with more 'wrinkle' than you can heat-shrink out, and
others
> could be too tight.
>
> My 'learned-once' opinion!
>
> Kip
>
>
> North Canton, OH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: work bench length |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "" <catdesign@intergate.com>
My work bench top is made up from two (used) solid core doors(partical board
cores). I got them for 20 bucks at a door stoor. I used 2x4s for legs and 1x4s
to brace the legs. The doors sit on top of 2x4s along the edges. I had to leave
a space (about 1-foot)between the two doors to get the table long enough. This
space was braced with plywood strips connecting the two seperate benches. I
also put 5/8th inch bolts in a hole drilled into the bottom of each leg. These
were used to level the bench. After I leveled the bench I put some wood glue
around each bolt where it sat on the concrete floor. This holds the bench in
place and also tells me if anything has moved. Cost of the bench was 40 bucks
and took a couple hours to build. I also keep stuff under the bench on the
cross braces.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
Quoting Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Cours <piet-j@moriarti.org>
>
> Hi, everyone -
>
> We've finally unpacked the last of the boxes in the new apartment, and
> now it's time to design the work table. The notes with the Piet plans
> talk about making it a 16' bench, but I'm trying to make sure that's
> about right for a long fuse Air Camper.
>
> From the plans, the long fuse is 14' 4-3/8" without the rudder, which
> looks to add 20". I'm assuming that's the source of the 16' dimension.
> I'm planning a modular table, with 4 sections of 4' x 30" each, so I can
> add an extra interior section if I need to extend it, but I'd sure
> rather get it right the first time out.
>
> So, for those of you who've been through this process, or are going
> through it now, is a 16'x30" table about the right size for a long fuse
> Air Camper? Also, is there anything you ran into with your work table
> that you wish you'd done differently?
>
> thanks much,
> Jeff C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <margdick@peganet.com>
Not only that, (the book) you can call them toll-free in CA and ask them
any questions you might have. (Poly-Fiber that is)
DickG
----- Original Message -----
From: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "w b evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Don't get me wrong, but don't try to reinvent the wheel :>).
>
> Get the $10.00 Poly Fiber "how to" book, and all of this is covered in
> there. Even the concave wing of the Piet.
> It's a step by step book with pictures, and very easy to understand. My ,
> now flying Piet, was my second project with Poly Fiber, and I'm sold on
it.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner
> <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
> >
> > At 2:38 AM -0400 08/22/03, clif wrote:
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> > >
> > >Not having done any fabric yet my observations
> > >may be off but it seems to me that stitching
> > >rather than glueing allows some movement to
> > >relieve shrinking stresses. If the ribs are glued
> > >each panel is a seperate entity from it's
> > >neighbours. This may not mean anything in
> > >real life but as you say, the pros stitch for a
> > >reason.
> > >
> > >Clif
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > I have not done any covering on my own yet, but about 2 years ago I went
> to
> > a covering workshop run by Jim (?) & Dondi Miller, the Ohio PolyFiber
> > distributors. My recollection is that they followed the manual pretty
> > closely & only glued the fabric down around the edges of the wing panel.
> > Then they LIGHTLY shrunk the fabric to take out the major wrinkles, but
> > leaving enough slack in the fabric to conform to the undercamber,
followed
> > by rib stitching and then the final shrinking to get it all tight. As
Clif
> > implied, this distributes the stresses of shrinking evenly across the
wing
> > panel. If you glue to the ribs before shrinking, I think you run the
risk
> > of having bays with more 'wrinkle' than you can heat-shrink out, and
> others
> > could be too tight.
> >
> > My 'learned-once' opinion!
> >
> > Kip
> >
> >
> > North Canton, OH
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Colorado Piet folks |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Victorjeanharper@aol.com
Hi everyone, I'm going to get started soon on a Piet. I live in the Denver
area, If anyone is building/flying one around here give me a call. Thanks Vic
Harper 303-796-9504
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Carbarvo@aol.com
I think something was lost in the translation...I wasn't advocating gluing
instead of ribstitching but in addition to it.....C Vought
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ian Holland" <iholland@telusplanet.net>
Hi, guys! I've been offline for a while trying to cope with an
illness(not mine). The bottom line is that, regretfully, I cannot
complete my Pietenpol project of 9 years and am looking for a buyer
before I try the e-bay route. I thought I would see if there were any
"lurkers" out there on the List that might want a huge headstart on
the project. The fuselage is on the gear and wheels, wings are
complete. A Corvair is sitting on the nose and it is basically ready
for the prefabric inspection. I have $12,000 US invested in the
material and 1200 hours in labour. I am looking to recover the cost of
the materials. The time was well spent, and I enjoyed the help and
wisdom available from the group. Material and fittings are top of the
line. There is a full panel of instruments.
The only condition will be that when completed, I get a ride as a
passenger.
The decision to sell is one of the hardest that I have had to make in
a long time. The location is north West Alberta, in Whitecourt.
For more details, contact me direct at iholland@telusplanet.net
Thanks for all your help over the years!
-=Ian=-
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Lan,
I for one am sad that you are having to make this decision. I had to sell
my RV-6 I built and flew for a number of years and it was also a very tough
thing to do. To take up the slack I am build the Pietenpol. Gives me
something to do and keeps me occupied.
I hope you get your ride in your Pietenpol.
Alex Sloan
North Alabama
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Holland" <iholland@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Sale
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ian Holland"
<iholland@telusplanet.net>
>
> Hi, guys! I've been offline for a while trying to cope with an
> illness(not mine). The bottom line is that, regretfully, I cannot
> complete my Pietenpol project of 9 years and am looking for a buyer
> before I try the e-bay route. I thought I would see if there were any
> "lurkers" out there on the List that might want a huge headstart on
> the project. The fuselage is on the gear and wheels, wings are
> complete. A Corvair is sitting on the nose and it is basically ready
> for the prefabric inspection. I have $12,000 US invested in the
> material and 1200 hours in labour. I am looking to recover the cost of
> the materials. The time was well spent, and I enjoyed the help and
> wisdom available from the group. Material and fittings are top of the
> line. There is a full panel of instruments.
>
> The only condition will be that when completed, I get a ride as a
> passenger.
>
> The decision to sell is one of the hardest that I have had to make in
> a long time. The location is north West Alberta, in Whitecourt.
>
> For more details, contact me direct at iholland@telusplanet.net
>
> Thanks for all your help over the years!
>
> -=Ian=-
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in Ohio |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 8/22/03 7:41:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
kipandbeth@earthlink.net writes:
<< only glued the fabric down around the edges of the wing panel.
Then they LIGHTLY shrunk the fabric to take out the major wrinkles, but
leaving enough slack in the fabric to conform to the undercamber, followed
by rib stitching and then the final shrinking to get it all tight.
That's the way I did it. Pay close attention to iron temp with one of those
little iron thermometers, and ironing everything thouroughly & evenly, in two
directions . My first shrink was done evenly, at less than half of the max
temp. Do not glue the fabric to the ribs.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop & Rain |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 8/21/03 6:56:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
dilatush@amigo.net writes:
<< +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chuck,
Thanks for the OK. I'll have the newsletter out sometime next month and
send you a copy then if you will let me have your mailing address.
Yes, you do have a future as an aviation writer!
John
John,
Thanks in advance ! My address:
Chuck Gantzer
626 Pattie
Wichita, KS 67211
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